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While I consider the people upgrading to 16GB of RAM for "future-proofing" are simply burning their money for a day that will probably never come, people really don't consider how important RAM ACTUALLY is. Unless you're doing the most compute-intensive activities out there, your RAM is going to almost always bottleneck before your CPU does (given the raw power of modern CPUs).

This is simply one case. I know that I'm going for 16GB because I want to run a ton of VMs. :cool:
 
Do you expect the same kind of bottle-neck issues with Aperture?

I have only tried aperture once in 2010 and it lagged way too much for me to use. I don't know if the new version is better but I do know that every single program that I've used to manipulate images or video will eat up ram quicker than you can feed it - if you're doing a lot of it you will benefit from more RAM. Period
 
What do page ins tell me about RAM usage? In a typical session like the current one I accrue a lot of page ins, some page outs, and in between swap used.

For example, I have 58 GB of page ins, 2.5 GB of page outs, and 7.9 GB of Swap used.

Which one of these numbers is the best indicator for "lack of RAM"?

Anybody have a clue why Apple is selling the high end model in the stores only with 8 GB of RAM? The people working there tell me that it's because with the fast SSD RAM is much less important than it used to be. Clearly people here seem to disagree with this assessment. But why is Apple higher management not aware of it being an issue, if it is?
 
so many posts

about needing 16GB, but what I don't understand is what has changed between pre-rMBP and now. I know the retina display is processor and resource hungry, but up till the rMBP people were operating and working just fine with 6-8GB of RAM.

Don't get me wrong, I'll get the 16GB upgrade when I take the leap for a new rMBP, I just find it surprising that there seems to have been such a huge night and day switch between models, and not really even OS versions.
 
Agreed. A lot of people are up in arms on here about the anti-tinker design, but the people on these boards are hardly representative of the mainstream demographic that Apple has obviously been gunning for since the Air's release. Hell, one could probably even argue since the iMac's release, although the Air and more so the retina have taken it to new extremes that make the iMac look really easy to mod.

Funny thing. I have always been all about working on computers...but I personally like Apple's, we made it perfect, now don't mess with it, philosophy. If it were an inferior product I could understand not wanting it to be an appliance...but they truth is, they do make the best product you can buy...so I'm fine with not being allowed to change components as long as I get what I wanted when I buy it!
 
What do page ins tell me about RAM usage? In a typical session like the current one I accrue a lot of page ins, some page outs, and in between swap used.

For example, I have 58 GB of page ins, 2.5 GB of page outs, and 7.9 GB of Swap used.

Which one of these numbers is the best indicator for "lack of RAM"?

Page outs is the one that indicates if you need more RAM or not.

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about needing 16GB, but what I don't understand is what has changed between pre-rMBP and now. I know the retina display is processor and resource hungry, but up till the rMBP people were operating and working just fine with 6-8GB of RAM.

Don't get me wrong, I'll get the 16GB upgrade when I take the leap for a new rMBP, I just find it surprising that there seems to have been such a huge night and day switch between models, and not really even OS versions.

Price? Found this thread from a year ago and 16GB for a laptop was $1300. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1208650/

People can always get by on whatever they've been working with but Apple gave SSD to the masses with the MBA and now 16GB of RAM in the RMBP, so why not take advantage of it?
 
i dunno about that. the retina display macbook is clearly not the low-end, mainstream machine at its current price point. even its initial intro video was people doing photo editing, video editing etc etc which is definitely not the mainstream.

MacBook Pros have always had media editing software shown off in their ads. Even the plastic MBs back in the day had that. Only difference was which software was being used (iMovie vs Final Cut for example). Uneducated consumers who aren't tech savvy just look at it and are impressed by the images and how complicated the UI is compared to their usual browsing and email experience. It looks sexy. Plenty of mainstream consumers buy more than they need when they just want to manage the family photo albums and xmas videos. They go to the store, demonstrate their lack of knowledge to some degree, the sales person picks up on it, said sales person makes commission. Circle of retail life. Not always the case, but its how you get the English major sorority girls running around US campuses with 17" MBPs that daddy bought her at Best Buy. ;)

It's like selling someone an imported sports sedan. Regular commuters don't need 300HP in a 4-door, but they'll buy it anyway because it is nice and they were somehow convinced (in their own minds or by the salesman) that they needed it. And of course the commercials show the cars speeding in all sorts of unlikely scenarios, because it looks sexy.

Funny thing. I have always been all about working on computers...but I personally like Apple's, we made it perfect, now don't mess with it, philosophy. If it were an inferior product I could understand not wanting it to be an appliance...but they truth is, they do make the best product you can buy...so I'm fine with not being allowed to change components as long as I get what I wanted when I buy it!

Same here. Plus, OS X > Windows.

Durable build quality doesn't hurt either.

If you're Apple, that is most likely the goal.

Of course it is. And that is why the third party services have to price themselves in such a way to look attractive while still being profitable.
 
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