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Upgrading to a new major version as soon as it's released? Never again...

VitoBotta

VitoBotta

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I upgraded to Ventura yesterday as soon as I saw it in System Preferences, and it was a disaster. It broke a lot of dev tools I use every day for work, and eventually I had to to format and reinstall Monterey and everything else from scratch, which took hours.

I have learned the lesson and am never gonna do this again. Herein after I'll wait until 6 months of patch releases.

Anyone else got screwed by Ventura?
 
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VitoBotta said:
I do have backups, that's not the problem. But it's hassle. I don't use TimeMachine though for backups (I use Arq) so I couldn't really restore the previous installation as it was, unfortunately.
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Maybe you should use Time Machine. It would save you from this problem. As to a major version upgrade, I always wait till at least the .1 version comes out. If it’s a second machine that’s not critical then sure go ahead, but if not just wait. That’s on any operating system.
 
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You have to think of the x.0 release as the final public beta. There has never been a MacOS release where the x.1 version of the OS doesn't fix a ton of little things for folks.

I sometimes roll the dice on a new version of the OS on day 1 if there is a feature that I can't wait to try, or on a secondary device where the downside risk is merely inconvenience vs. data loss or mission critical work.

Still - thanks for the PSA. I am traveling at the moment and was tempted to hit the upgrade button tonight without my full backup. I'll wait until I get home on the weekend. I can't risk my machine getting hosed when I am traveling on business.
 
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Maybe you should use Time Machine. It would save you from this problem. As to a major version upgrade, I always wait till at least the .1 version comes out. If it’s a second machine that’s not critical then sure go ahead, but if not just wait. That’s on any operating system.
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Yeah, I think I'll use Time Machine hereinafter for the local backups. Thanks

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You have to think of the x.0 release as the final public beta. There has never been a MacOS release where the x.1 version of the OS doesn't fix a ton of little things for folks.

I sometimes roll the dice on a new version of the OS on day 1 if there is a feature that I can't wait to try, or on a secondary device where the downside risk is merely inconvenience vs. data loss or mission critical work.

Still - thanks for the PSA. I am traveling at the moment and was tempted to hit the upgrade button tonight without my full backup. I'll wait until I get home on the weekend. I can't risk my machine getting hosed when I am traveling on business.
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Yeah if you can wait it's better. Don't make the same mistake
 
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VitoBotta said:
I upgraded to Ventura yesterday as soon as I saw it in System Preferences, and it was a disaster. It broke a lot of dev tools I use every day for work, and eventually I had to to format and reinstall Monterey and everything else from scratch, which took hours.

I have learned the lesson and am never gonna do this again. Herein after I'll wait until 6 months of patch releases.

Anyone else got screwed by Ventura?
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Which dev tools had issues for you?

Did homebrew work fine with Ventura?
 
Add me to the list of people with problems. Not as severe as the OP as I am retired and do basic stuff anymore on my iMac. I always update the macOS as soon as they come out. I will not do that again. I have a different post here that I will update with the latest news. I thought I had it fixed but it is broke again and I just got off with Apple support.

My issue ... after Ventura I could not import photos from the download folder that came from my iPhone. I use the photo library on my iMac as my main photo library, on an external SSD drive. I backed up my large 600Gb file of photos last night after talking with the Apple tech.

I repaired that photo library and turned off the computer when it was done. This morning Apple Photos, my system file on the external drive worked perfect. I thought the repair file fixed it. By this afternoon I was right back where I started where it would not import photos.

At the end of the conversation he told me what we are doing now should work because he had two callers just today having the same Photos issues after they updated to Ventura.

He had me make sure the backup library worked. Then I erased and made sure the external drive was formatted in APFS. I then dragged and dropped the back up file of the photos library from one external to the newly formatted drive in Finder.

What concerns me I am at the 30 minute mark as I write this post of "preparing to copy (file name)". The file is 593Gb so is that why it is taking so long "preparing" ????

I am tempted to stop that photo file copy and via Time Machine go back to Monterey where everything worked.
 
I've had so much trouble with Monterey that, for the first time since "Jagwire" 10.2 (for those too young to remember it's how Steve Jobs tended to mispronounce "Jaguar") I've updated on the first day. 10.2 was a huge relief from holding on 9.2.2 for a long time and avoiding the betaware of 10.0 and 10.1, and so it is so far proving with Ventura as well. Still a few glitches, primarily the inability to render Google Maps 3D view which seems specific to Safari 16 and is present in Safari 16 in both Monterey and Ventura (the option is greyed out), but also still a few memory leaks and runaway processes in Safari (way less than Monterey so far), but other than that I've not had trouble.

I'd hope we get to 10.4 Tiger standards of quality. That was the best, I think. Avie Tevanian's last OS.
 
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Many of us have been down this bumpy road before and have the bruises and cuts to show for it.
That said, even Apple's own upgrade instructions tell you to back up to a Time Machine so you can go back easily (if not quickly) if it all goes t*ts-up. Restoring from a Time Machine backup is something natively built into a Mac that doesn't rely on you even booting into a full MacOS, you only have to boot to the system-restore utility which downloads via the internet. If your current backup alternative can't do full-system restores in the event of a complete train-wreck then it's not worth using at all.

I think the messages here are:-
- don't jump on the first-to-upgrade bandwagon if your workflows rely on third-party apps or hardware;
- stop using crap third-party backup apps that don't do the job as effectively as the app which Apple provided for free.
 
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The only issue I seem to have with Ventura is that the laptop does not go completely to sleep when I close the lid for some reason..... just installed it last night, and maybe it was/is doing something "behind the scene" but will see when I am done with doing my 4 hours of an 8 hour work day for everyone else in the company and get ready to go home. Otherwise wonder why it forgot how to sleep?
 
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I've had so much trouble with Monterey that, for the first time since "Jagwire" 10.2 (for those too young to remember it's how Steve Jobs tended to mispronounce "Jaguar") I've updated on the first day. 10.2 was a huge relief from holding on 9.2.2 for a long time and avoiding the betaware of 10.0 and 10.1, and so it is so far proving with Ventura as well. Still a few glitches, primarily the inability to render Google Maps 3D view which seems specific to Safari 16 and is present in Safari 16 in both Monterey and Ventura (the option is greyed out), but also still a few memory leaks and runaway processes in Safari (way less than Monterey so far), but other than that I've not had trouble.

I'd hope we get to 10.4 Tiger standards of quality. That was the best, I think. Avie Tevanian's last OS.
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I'm having the same issues with Google Maps, too. I suspect it's something on Google's end, not macOS.

As for 10.4, would you say, overall, 10.4 was better or worse than 10.6?
 
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