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I'll go with the folks that have done comprehensive tests on the actual screens along with the anecdotal and empirical evidence I can see on my phone, my wife's phone, my son's phone, and my co-workers that have X/XS/XS Max phones over people concerned about tests done on TV screens made to different specifications.

That’s fantastic but you’re still ignoring what I’m saying that this issue IS something you can notice in certain scenarios. You know a lot of people can watch DLP projectors with zero issue but there are people such as myself who see color separation with slight head movements. It may be fine for the majority but when it’s something that does cause issue with you it doesn’t matter what display mate tells me about it.
 
+ better modem
+ better CPU
+ better GPU
+ Dual SIM
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It's a big upgrade for me coming from an iPhone6+...

I just find it strange that people are so crazy about the ****** OLED screens. Never seen one that wasn't flickering like hell.

are you sure that the modem is better?
 
And yet there are many examples of OLED displays on these having issues displaying 5% gray properly across the screen.

I guess those just get thrown out.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/gray-uniformity-dirty-screen-effect-dse

I guess it sucks that things like this do bother me. Guess I’m just not a person meant to use OLEDs until they can get it worked out.

I'm very confused what you were trying to prove with your display argument. The site you posted, gives the LG B8 the highest review. "The best 4k TV that we have reviewed is the LG B8. The B8 is an OLED TV that delivers exceptional picture quality thanks to the infinite contrast ratio, perfect blacks, excellent wide viewing angles, and perfect black uniformity. "


The highest levels of gray come from an OLED device as well.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/by-resolution/4k-ultra-hd-uhd
 
However...you can't say the XR screen is universally superior to the X/XS/XS Max phones.

You can actually.

Let's get started using the same methodology above!

https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/286750/Need+IPS+Monitor+backlight+bleed+fix
https://www.cultofmac.com/86087/yellow-tint-redux-my-ipad-2-backlight-is-bleeding/
https://news.softpedia.com/news/Len...olor-Issues-Fixed-by-BIOS-Update-401208.shtml

Oh wow, thats horrible. Because of these incidents of bad LCD screens in the wild we can now draw general conclusions about every single screen manufactured to date, it's just that simple.

OMG an LCD screen using PWM as well, for shame:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/samsung_c32hg70.htm hmm those VA viewing angles kinda suck too eh.

Based on my highly scientific analysis, LCD is nearly as detrimental to ocular health as reading some of the posters in this thread. I shall now proceed to bin LCD apple tech such as IPP and MBP, phew glad I found out in time!
 
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Am i the only One going from X to XR? I really like the new colors

Nope. You’re not the only one. I’m going from a X to a XR myself, although I wouldn’t call it an upgrade, like others here have mentioned, but at the same time, I disagree with others that think it’s a downgrade. It has strengths and weaknesses compared to the X, but as a whole, you can’t really say whether it’s better or worse.

I for one, love the new colors, and I personally prefer the aluminum finish over stainless steel. The processor, camera, and battery upgrades are things that beat the X. Not everything has to be about the screen like some will tell you. And personally, I regret not going for 256GB storage so I’m definitely taking advantage of the opportunity this time around with the XR.
 
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My wife might upgrade her iPhone 6 to the XR, so I may soon have one to compare to my X. That is, if I can convince her that she won't miss the home button. She is also considering an iPhone 8.

I prefer having a dual camera in a small package, so I'd probably go for the XS if I was going to upgrade. That said the XR camera will in some ways be an upgrade from the X.
 
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are you sure that the modem is better?

He’s not sure because he’s wrong.

See XR specs https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/iphone-xr/

The X and XR have the same Advanced LTE modem.

If the XR is lucky it’ll be the same modems from Qualcomm like in the X and not from Intel.

Seems the Gigabyte LTE modems from Intel in the XS & Max are having slow connectivity issues for some. Perhaps a firmware bug that can be fixed.
 
The X and XR have the same Advanced LTE modem.

No they have a modem with support for the same Network feature set. The Intel modem family that the modem of the Xs is from also contains a LTE advanced modem. It's reasonable to expect this chip and not the chips from the last generation.
 
Fair enough. I just don’t get much from a color personally.
The colors are fun but yeah, I don't either for 2 very simple and common reasons:

1) 99% of the time I'm staring at the FRONT of the phone, cause that's where the screen is.

2) All my iPhones go in cases where the back is covered up completely. Most of the clear cases
I've seen look tacky IMHO.
 
99% of the time I'm staring at the FRONT of the phone, cause that's where the screen is.
Ding ding ding.

The screen is the number one fundamental feature on an electronic device. You stare at it for 99% of the time, so you should try to get the best. The X has a fantastic screen that seems like it stomps on the XR's LCD. Don't get me wrong, Apple LCD screens are great, but they don't hold a candle to OLED.

Another thing that I didn't see mentioned is that the XR is a heavy phone. It weighs 194 grams. The 8 Plus is 202 grams, and the XS Max is 208 grams. The XR is among the heaviest iPhones ever made. Considering how there are folks already complaining about the weight of the 8 Plus and XS Max, this may be an issue with the XR.

The XR also is bigger than the X, another factor that one needs to consider in their purchasing decision. Big, heavy, with some compromises, but none the less a solid option. Still I feel like the X is a better value.
 
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This forum quote script is totally messed on iOS 12 safari here for some reason. The way I read that is that the XR is the lightest large screen iphone out there. As it has aluminium build and the biggest battery, it’s going to be more portable with more stamina than the plus.

Apart from PWM, one actual disadvantage of these high spec, bright OLED screens is their power consumption. IIRC the X screen uses something like 12w at full brightness which is some load, one of the reasons it had to have a larger than normal L shaped battery pack. The XR will probably be a battery life king compared, but I would consider that to be more of an upgrade over the + of course, the X is a different type of device in terms of build priorities.

Stamina king phones have been sold for many years, they usually have older chipsets and are aimed at mid range to budget builds. It’s more unusual to have premium phones that actually prioritize stamina, you do see a few token efforts like Note 9 this year, but even that is not fully geared towards that goal proportionally (neither is XR really, but it’s closer than the other phones here).


Ding ding ding.

The screen is the number one fundamental feature on an electronic device. You stare at it for 99% of the time, so you should try to get the best. The X has a fantastic screen that seems like it stomps on the XR's LCD. Don't get me wrong, Apple LCD screens are great, but they don't hold a candle to OLED.

Another thing that I didn't see mentioned is that the XR is a heavy phone. It weighs 194 grams. The 8 Plus is 202 grams, and the XS Max is 208 grams. The XR is among the heaviest iPhones ever made. Considering how there are folks already complaining about the weight of the 8 Plus and XS Max, this may be an issue with the XR.

The XR also is bigger than the X, another factor that one needs to consider in their purchasing decision. Big, heavy, with some compromises, but none the less a solid option. Still I feel like the X is a better value.
 
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No they have a modem with support for the same Network feature set. The Intel modem family that the modem of the Xs is from also contains a LTE advanced modem. It's reasonable to expect this chip and not the chips from the last generation.
I believe the Xs has the faster gigabit LTE, though the XR has support for an additional band on T Mobile. That is why I am planning to get it—the service is terrible in Denver area!
 
I believe the Xs has the faster gigabit LTE, though the XR has support for an additional band on T Mobile. That is why I am planning to get it—the service is terrible in Denver area!

Wait, why would the XR have an extra Tmo band and the XS would not have it?
 
The XR with the updated processor and better battery(new) life and camera is arguably more “future proof” at a lower cost than a comparable, higher than 64gb, iPhone X model if you care about that sort of thing.
 
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Wait, why would the XR have an extra Tmo band and the XS would not have it?
I was unclear and miss-typed. The Xs has BOTH the additional band and the gigabit LTE. The XR ONLY has the additional band (not the gigabit LTE).
 
I handled a xr at a apple event and seriously couldnt tell the difference. Like at all. I dont know what they did with the LCD screen but its impressive. Very impressive. My guess would be that they are using FRC for color depth and a non-pentile display for pixel depth. People are going to quite surprised if they think this is just a blown up iphone 8 screen. Because its not. You have to see it for yourself.

That's really interesting. All I've read is that the XR screen will look like a larger iPhone 8 screen. I would be okay with that but would be really pleased to find the XR screen better than expected.
 
I consider every LCD on the planet to be better then OLED. Can't stand these screens. And it is only sharper when you are a teen with 20/20 sight. Few people are, so why waster energy for a big resolution that isn't really needed? To feel good because you share in the tech spec race of android phones?
OLED is brighter, uses less power (for that higher res screen) and has better blacks. The higher resolution everyone will notice depending how far you hold the device to you. Most people will notice it.
 
OLED is brighter, uses less power (for that higher res screen) and has better blacks. The higher resolution everyone will notice depending how far you hold the device to you.
The blacks are definitely better, but I find that it's mostly noticeable in a dimly lit room. In a bright room, the blacks don't look that much better. As for power utilization, with a white background (eg. surfing in Safari), often the LCD will use less power.

Most people will notice it.
Many people will, but I'm not sure it's most, unless you point it out to people.

I have been debating this as well. Price has no factor for me on this one. The only thing that bugs me about the x is the width of the screen. Too narrow. But i like the one handed use. The 3gb of ram as opposed to the 4gbof ram on the xr is also a factor. As well as the screen dimming to prevent burn in as well. LCD does have advantages.

I handled a xr at a apple event and seriously couldnt tell the difference. Like at all. I dont know what they did with the LCD screen but its impressive. Very impressive. My guess would be that they are using FRC for color depth and a non-pentile display for pixel depth. People are going to quite surprised if they think this is just a blown up iphone 8 screen. Because its not. You have to see it for yourself.
That's encouraging for the XR, but call me skeptical. Maybe it's got better characteristics than the 8, but you still have the 326 ppi limitation. 326 ppi is fine for most people but some can still tell the difference. And of course it will not be pentile, since it's an LCD.

You don't need the time as a single continuous session. OLED age from each second the are lit, burn in is burned out oleds at a part of the array. And the whole top area with time, receptions etc is very fixed and will show first burn in signs before the year mark.
Burn-in has not been an issue with the iPhone X. It just hasn't.

OLED is so bad for TV screens that even Samsung them self don't use it in TVs...
Kind of off topic but since you mentioned it. Samsung is getting its ass kicked in the high end TV market. High end QLED is losing ground very, very quickly to LG's OLED. LG Display provides LG panels to LG Electronics (of course), Sony, and Panasonic, and they are dominating now.

Samsung seems to be banking on microLED, but so far that's just vapourware.

Furthermore, LG is transitioning to 10.5G OLED manufacturing (which is an improvement over their 8.5G), which means OLEDs are only going to get cheaper and bigger.

My wife might upgrade her iPhone 6 to the XR, so I may soon have one to compare to my X. That is, if I can convince her that she won't miss the home button. She is also considering an iPhone 8.

I prefer having a dual camera in a small package, so I'd probably go for the XS if I was going to upgrade. That said the XR camera will in some ways be an upgrade from the X.
Hahah. My wife wants a new bigger phone than her 6s, so I just told her I'd get her the XR. I didn't mention the loss of the home button. She's in for a surprise. ;) She'll complain for a couple of days, and then she'll get used to it. :D
 
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I just feel the X to XR is downgrade in more significant things that matter to me. To each his own.

You couldn’t get me to downgrade even if I could replace my X for free with an XR.
 
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I thought I’d give my input since barely anyone is talking about this.

Going from my 7 to the XR when it comes out.
According to Apple I can trade in my 7 for £170 ending up paying the XR £579.

Everyone is obsessing over this bloody display when rushing on the go you’ll be barely able to tell the difference.

What sold it to me is when they said ONE HOUR AND A HALF more battery than the 8+. I can’t even imagine what it means not having to charge my phone at 1pm if I decide to go out after work. And yes, I recently swapped the battery, when they lowered the price.

At the end of the day, the feature of a phone we all can agree on, is a long battery life that doesn’t leave you stranded when you’re trying to find what bus to take or what the fastest route home is.

What’s the point in having 5% deeper black if my phone dies while I’m enjoying this super dooper display?

The only reason why I haven’t gone with a Plus so far is because I don’t like large phones. The size and the XR seems to be an acceptable compromise. I would’ve preferred it a tad smaller but probably it wouldn’t have had performed so well in terms of battery.

I just don’t understand how not being so dependent on a charger can be unappealing, focusing so much on a display you use to watch YouTube, check Instagram and emails on, also considering that Retina display served is well so far.
Why would I need so much resolution? If I ever have to edit photos I would do it on Lightroom on a much bigger and better display. Why do you need to see how many pores Marques Brownlee has on his face? And then again if you really need to a phone is not the right device to do it.
 
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I thought I’d give my input since barely anyone is talking about this.

Going from my 7 to the XR when it comes out.
According to Apple I can trade in my 7 for £170 ending up paying the XR £579.

Everyone is obsessing over this bloody display when rushing on the go you’ll be barely able to tell the difference.

What sold it to me is when they say ONE HOUR AND A HALF more battery than the 8+. I can’t even imagine what it means not having to charge my phone at 1pm if I decide to go out after work. And yes I recently swapped the battery, when they lowered the price.

At the end of the day, the feature of a phone we all can agree on, is a long battery life that doesn’t leave you stranded when you’re trying to find what bus to take or what the fastest route home.

What’s the point in having 5% deeper black if my phone dies while I’m enjoying this super dooper display?

The only reason why I haven’t gone with a Plus so far is because I don’t like large phones. The size and the XR seems to be an acceptable compromise. I would’ve preferred it a tad smaller but probably it wouldn’t have had performed so well in terms of battery.

I just don’t understand how can not being so dependent on a charger can not be appealing, focusing so much on a display you use to watch YouTube, check Instagram and emails on, also considering that Retina display served is well so far.
Why would I need so much resolution? If I ever have to edit photos I would do it on Lightroom on a much bigger and better display. Why do you need to see how many pores Marques Brownlee has on his face? And then again if you really need to a phone is not the right device to do it.
Fair points but a small portable anker charger costs £12 and will get you out of sticky situations when your battery is dead. iPhone batteries have and always will be awful and with the amount of new features available which rinse the battery, i think the norm now is to have a portable charger.

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Fair points but a small portable anker charger costs £12 and will get you out of sticky situations when your battery is dead. iPhone batteries have and always will be awful and with the amount of new features available which rinse the battery, i think the norm now is to have a portable charger.

It also really depends on the user in my eyes. My X lasted me until I went to sleep at night, so does my XS Max. I tend to not really think about charging anymore. If he is running out of battery at 1 pm, you’re right, you’ll probably be in that position regardless of what phone you buy.
 
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