USB 3.0 not working thru UASP

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  1. mrken218 macrumors newbie

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    My laptop is mbp 15" of early 2011.

    I linked it to an external drive with usb3.0 support through AKiTiO Thunder Dock, a hub which provides multiple host ports, including USB3.0, eSATA, Firewire 800, and thunderbolt as well.
    However, the transfer rate is almost as low as USB 2.0.

    This is from the System Information Hardware Overview:

    USB 3.0 High-Speed Bus:

    Host Controller Location: Thunderbolt
    Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBXHCI
    PCI Device ID: 0x1100
    PCI Revision ID: 0x0010
    PCI Vendor ID: 0x1b73
    Bus Number: 0x10

    besides, I found out my external drive is working through BOT (IOUSMassiveStorageClassic.kext) instead of UASP (IOUSBAttachedSCSI.kext).
    and even when UASP is loaded manually, it's still not working.

    is it possible that my external drive linked to hub works under UASP?
    or on an mbp 15" of early 2011 it just doesn't work?
     
  2. maflynn Moderator

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    I can't answer about UASP other then it does sound like the dock is the culprit, perhaps its not using a chipset that is as efficient or is causing issues.

    Did you reach out to the vendor and ask about it?
     
  3. thedeske macrumors 6502a

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    It's the Mac. You'll need actual 3.0 on the system. The hub will not "Cheat It" for you.
     
  4. maflynn Moderator

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    Good point, I thought it was the dock, but what you say makes more sense.
     
  5. mrken218 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I did ask the vendor, and he was sure that the dock supports UASP and told me the speed would get higher once I clean it up... I thought he was talking nonsense..
     
  6. mrken218, Jan 23, 2015
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    mrken218 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    thank u thedeske,
    the vendor has a test on transfer rate with an external SSD on Mac mini of mid 2011, which has only USB2.0 system.

    This is the result:
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    Through built-in USB 2.0: write 25.7 MB/s ; read 34.7 MB/s
    Through Dock's USB 3.0: write 251.5 MB/s; read 351.3 MB/s
     
  7. Richdmoore, Jan 23, 2015
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    Richdmoore macrumors 68000

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    Fyi, my caldiget thunderbolt dock works with UASP, and I only have usb 2 on the native (non dock) usb 2.0 interface.

    It hasn't gotten a bunch of publicity, but you need UASP to be supported in the entire chain: usb controller on computer/expansion card/thunderbolt dock; usb hub (if you use one); and finally the usb case containing the hard drive.

    If UASP is not listed in the specs for a drive/hub/controller, assume it does NOT have it, usb 3.0 was first released without support, and it costs manufacturers extra license fees to include it, so many don't bother with it.

    My guess would be that something, perhaps the thunderbolt dock or drive doesn't have UASP to begin with. If you are sure both do, try it without the usb hub, as most docks do NOT support UASP that I have seen. I would then try the drive with a native usb 3.0 mac, to help rule out if it is your dock or drive casing that is the issue.

    Edit: I did some googling, it looks like your Akito dock supports UASP.
    http://www.akitio.com/accessories/thunder-dock

    Maybe a hub without UASP is blocking it? What drive case are you using? It has UASP, correct?
     
  8. mrken218 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Thank u, Richdmoore

    I figure out what the culprit actually is...
    my external drive doesn't have UASP though with USB3.0

    but does it make any sense that my drive runs at the same rate through dock's USB3.0 and built-in USB2.0, sometimes even lower through the former..
     
  9. ActionableMango macrumors 604

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    No, a USB 3.0 drive even without UASP should be far, far faster than USB 2.0.
     
  10. thedeske macrumors 6502a

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    True, but only if it's connected to a USB3 host computer. Mid 2012 laptops & late 2012 iMacs were the first to enable UASP on the bus.

    Seems like there were a number of threads in the past like this one - people hoping Thunderbolt would boost a 3.0 external on a 2.0 host.
     
  11. Richdmoore, Jan 25, 2015
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    Richdmoore macrumors 68000

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    I agree, the speed should be higher than usb 2, but less than full usb 3 due to the spinning hard drive.

    Your thunderbolt dock is usb 3, so shouldn't be an issue if the computer originally is usb 2 or 3.

    Maybe they used a cheap slow hard drive in the external enclosure?

    I am not sure, but after verifying that the drive really is usb 3, the first thing I would try is replacing the usb 3 cable.

    I had a blue colored usb 2 cable come with a hard drive once, I remeber thinking how confusing it could get. I guess the usb 3 cable could break so it is only detected as usb 2, or the port itself might be broken?

    It would help to list the usb drive and model number here, to verify it is actually usb 3.

    EDIT: I had one more idea.

    Hook the drive directly to your thunderbolt expansion. (Don't use a hub.) If possible, disconnect any other USB devices to all other USB ports, to make the system information easier to read/understand.

    Then start the system information app, go to USB.

    My Caldiget thunderbolt dock shows both a USB 3.0 High Speed Bus, and USB 3.0 SuperSpeed Bus.

    In addition to the two listings of USB 3.0 (1 High, 1 Super) I also have listed two seperate USB High Speed Bus, which I believe is the internal stock USB 2 Busses. (Mine shows FaceTime Camera on one, and the Memory Card & IR reader on the other bus.)

    Which bus is the drive listed under? A USB 3 drive should be under the USB 3.0 SuperSpeed Bus, if the drive is detected as only a USB 2, it will be under the USB 3.0 High Speed Bus instead.
     
  12. mrken218 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    u r really brilliant, Richdmoore,
    I finally went to a sales office to have all hardware tested, and found out all my blue colored cables coming with WD hard drives are actually USB 2.0 ones. My drive is right under USB 3.0 SuperSpeed now through a real 3.0 cable.

    I appreciate all the insightful replies. Thank u all.
     
  13. ActionableMango macrumors 604

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    Well post #6 would seem to prove that a USB 2.0 computer can in fact see USB 3.0 speeds, at least with that particular hub.
     
  14. SaSaSushi macrumors 68040

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    Yes, the 2011 Mac Mini has only USB 2.0 (no USB 3) but that is completely irrelevant since the Akitio Thunder Dock connects to the Mac via its Thunderbolt port. You cannot get USB 3.0 speeds through a USB 2.0 port.

    See above.
     

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