Usb 3.0

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by Z1NX, Jan 4, 2010.

  1. Z1NX macrumors member

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    Do you think the rumoured Macbook Pros (Coming out in Q1 2010) will have USB 3.0 built in?
    If not, do you think it's worth waiting for the [even] next Macbook Pro update which will hopefully have it?

    It might sound silly but I feel it's a big investment - if you're planning on keeping the MBP for years, USB 3.0 is SO going to help speed up transferring data.

    Opinions?
     
  2. Gabriel GR macrumors 6502a

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    Do you have any USB3 devices? Imo for the transfer needs of most peripherials USB2 is more than enough. Only external HDD's will benefit and they can't even saturate SATA 2 which is slower than USB3.
     
  3. Dozerrox macrumors 6502

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    I'd put a lot of money on the new macbook pros not having usb3.
     
  4. barkomatic macrumors 68040

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    I'd read that intel does not intend to include USB 3 until 2011 so I'm guessing we wont see it until then. I agree it would be great to have it though.
     
  5. m85476585 macrumors 65816

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    No, but I would buy a USB3 enclosure in a second if my MBP had USB3. There is currently no good way for me to connect my external drive to my MBP at full speed. It saturates even FW800, and all the eSATA expresscards are unreliable.

    SSDs are approaching the point where they can saturate SATA2, which is why SATA3 (6gbps) was created.

    We've had USB2 for almost a decade now, and it's surprising that it hasn't become outdated sooner. USB2 might be good enough for mice and keyboards, but for just about anything else, the speed is becoming a limitation.

    I really hope the next MBPs have some kind of fast disk interface, such as USB3, Lightpeak, or eSATA. If I was looking to upgrade right now, I would probable get a PC because the 15" MBPs don't even have expresscard slots.
     
  6. Gabriel GR macrumors 6502a

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    I'd love to see e-sata. But I doubt it will ever happen. Somehow it's not plug 'n' play enough to be on a mac. SSD's are saturating SATA 2 but they are not big enough for backup drives. And that's the usual use for external storage. Data transfers from cameras and mp3 players aren't really limited by the usb interface.

    Don't get me wrong, the more ports, the higher compatibility, the happier I will be. But I can't see USB3 as a decisive factor to postpone a laptop purchase. As for the express card, getting rid of it was a mistake. And I really wish that they bring it back to every MBP.
     
  7. maflynn Moderator

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    No, I highly doubt it. Especially when there's almost no motherboard makers putting in on and nearly zero usb 3.0 devices available.

    Absolutely. I think the Arrandale chipset will represent a sizable increase in performance.

    Its a worthwhile investment if you have a lot of USB 3.0 devices, since you (and nobody) has devices at this point, I don't see USB being a make or break decision for purchasing a MBP. Pumping > 2k into a new laptop means you may want to wait till the Arrandale chipset is in the new MBPs but USB, meh. I don't see that waiting is a good thing.
     
  8. Sneakz macrumors 65816

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    I wouldn't say nobody. You might not, but my buddy has a 2TB Buffalo external HD with USB 3.0. Bought a Gigabyte AM3 motherboard with USB 3.0 and gets crazy fast speeds. Like 80-100MB/s. Burst speed of 120MB/s with a WD Caviar Black.
     
  9. kolax macrumors G3

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    2010 is rumoured to be the year of LightPeak..

    Not really heard much about that recently though.
     
  10. Claerion macrumors member

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    I did read somewhere that late 2010 might get 3.0 but not the early 2010 model. If you are for some strange reason waiting to buy a MBP with 3.0 I personally don't think its worth the wait. And like someone already hinted at there's not too many devices with 3.0 at the moment.
     
  11. justit macrumors 6502a

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    FWIW If you're serious about data size and throughput, a laptop is not the answer. After owning a Mac Pro, I realized internal bays will always be faster than any external solution.
     
  12. Repo macrumors 6502a

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    Can you imagine LightPeak replacing USB, FW, SATA, and more?

    Speeds of 10Gbps and higher plus daisy chain capability? Yes, please.
     
  13. Gabriel GR macrumors 6502a

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    True.
     
  14. MacNut macrumors Core

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    I think USB 3 is still a year out from mass adoption.
     
  15. m85476585 macrumors 65816

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    But a year after you buy the laptop, you might have a lot of USB3 devices, at which point there is no way to upgrade, if you have a laptop with USB2, without selling the laptop.


    In my opinion, LightPeak won't be successful unless it is included on a significant number of computers in the first quarter of this year. I think if Apple added lightpeak ports to the soon-to-be-released MBPs, LP would have a chance of success. Otherwise, USB3 will take off and LP will go the way of Firewire, not a common option on computers and only used by some specialized devices. Intel might be trying to delay USB3 by not putting it on their chipsets until 2011, but more and more computers are going to include USB3 whether Intel offers it or not.

    I want LP to win over USB3 for the next high speed peripheral interface because like Firewire, it is technically superior to USB. LP is faster and the cables and connectors can support essentially any protocol, so it could be used for all kinds of devices, even displays, and longer cable lengths are possible. Having just one kind of connector for everything would be great (if that's what Intel is going for), and I could throw out my giant collection of cables and adapters and just buy a few LP cables. Unfortunately, USB3 looks like it will be first to the market, and it has the advantage that it is backwards-compatible with the millions of USB2 devices out there. I think LP is not really ready, though, which is why Intel would have to delay USB3.

    There is a fair chance that Apple would be the first manufacturer to get LP, since Intel has given Apple special treatment before, and since Apple doesn't mind using different connectors (Firewire, Displayport). Unfortunately, Apple seems to be becoming more consumer oriented, so they might stick with the normal USB and Firewire combo, possibly going to USB3 when they see fit.
     
  16. Repo macrumors 6502a

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    You'd have four or five identical ports on your laptop, aside power adapter and maybe one or two more. Now that's compatibility.

    However, consumers at this point are very accustomed to USB cables which are quite flexible, and the transition to fiber will require much stronger encasing.
     
  17. m85476585 macrumors 65816

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  18. justit macrumors 6502a

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    You mean eSATA (external SATA) right? SATA will still be the internal standard.
     
  19. iDisk macrumors 6502a

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    From USB 2.0 to Light peak ... No Apple USB 3.0 adoptation

    Apple will Adopt Light peak in Q4 of 2010. Will have USB 2.0 until then.

    "In any event, Intel has suggested that systems using Light Peak are already being designed, and there are rumors that Apple intends to introduce Light Peak-equipped systems in Q4 of 2010.In addition to the demonstrated system, Intel has also announced that they will introduce a smaller low-power version for portable devices in 2011. They have also stated that the system will allow future expansion to 100 Gbps throughput."

    Expand your knowledge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Peak

    iDisk


    :apple:
     
  20. PracticalMac macrumors 68030

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    I agree with this.
     
  21. MacModMachine macrumors 68020

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    totally agree...

    USB 3 is useless until ssd's and SATA 3 become more standard also,

    ssd's are becoming more common, but sata 3 is just making its way into products.
     
  22. Z1NX thread starter macrumors member

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    Aww man.

    I was feeling hopeful, but now it seems the chances of seeing USB 3.0 are pretty slim :(

    I guess we'll have to survive with USB 2, until the time comes for me to get a new laptop (Yeaaaaaars to come)
     
  23. kasakka macrumors 68000

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    I wonder if Lightpeak will allow for any kind of backward compatibility with USB and maybe even FireWire devices. Possibly via adapters. That would help its adoption tremendously.
     

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