USB-C External Hard Drive

[Foss]

I would ideally like to get a new USB-C external hard drive primarily for moving movies around and doing Time Machine backups quickly. There are not a lot of them around, mostly USB-A 3.0's For the price point vs performance, is USB 3.0 still the sweet spot?

 

[Weaselboy]

For a backup hard drive, USB-C is not going to be any faster. A hard drive cannot even saturate a USB3 connection. So unless you just want to pay a bit more for USB-C just to avoid adaptors and all, you will be fine with USB3.

I'm going to order a couple of these and stick with all my USB stuff for now.

 

[LS417]

Look no further,

https://www.cnet.com/products/glyph-blackbox-plus/review/

 

[MarcBou]

For a backup hard drive, USB-C is not going to be any faster. A hard drive cannot even saturate a USB3 connection. So unless you just want to pay a bit more for USB-C just to avoid adaptors and all, you will be fine with USB3.

I'm going to order a couple of these and stick with all my USB stuff for now.

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Not sure if I understand. Why do you say a hard drive with USB-C is not going to be faster? That depends on the hard drive, we video editors use external hard drive to edit video with other conectors and sure are faster. Haven't tried USB-C yet.

 

[C64]

The Samsung Portable SSD T3 seems nice

 

[Capt T]

If you have external HDD already Here is a replacement cable

http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=14853

Not that connector different replacement cable choices

http://www.monoprice.com/pages/usb_31_type_c

Picked up a few to use with existing drives I own

 

[Weaselboy]

Not sure if I understand. Why do you say a hard drive with USB-C is not going to be faster? That depends on the hard drive, we video editors use external hard drive to edit video with other conectors and sure are faster. Haven't tried USB-C yet.

Unless you are using RAID or something, an off the shelf, single hard drive in an external enclosure is not going to be able to saturate a USB3 connection, so I don't see how a faster connection will speed up transfers from a single hard drive. Again, I'm just talking about a single drive, not RAID or multi-drive enclosures.

 

[LS417]

Unless you are using RAID or something, an off the shelf, single hard drive in an external enclosure is not going to be able to saturate a USB3 connection, so I don't see how a faster connection will speed up transfers from a single hard drive. Again, I'm just talking about a single drive, not RAID or multi-drive enclosures.

This is correct ^

Besides future compatibility with new hardware (TB3 etc), the only real, current advantage of USB-C connection and a single drive that is 3.1, Gen 2 is with SSD's. Especially the newer M.2 formfactor ones that can take advantage of the increased throughput and are also much smaller than your average mobile drive.

Samsung T3 is a popular choice, also the recently released Atom from Glyph, which comes in a RAID variant, aluminum, colors, etc: https://www.glyphtech.com/product/atom-ssd

 

[Fozzybadfeet]

May just consider getting a new cable than buying a new HDD all together.

 

[chabig]

I would ideally like to get a new USB-C external hard drive primarily for moving movies around and doing Time Machine backups quickly. There are not a lot of them around, mostly USB-A 3.0's For the price point vs performance, is USB 3.0 still the sweet spot?

For a hard drive, USB-C *is* USB-3. USB-3.0 or 3.1 is the data transfer protocol. USB Type-C (USB-C for short) is just the name for the connector. As the others have said, just get an appropriate cable, rather than an adapter.

 

[Phisherman81]

I picked up the LaCie 4TB USB-C drive from my local Apple Store:

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/HB856ZM/B/lacie-4tb-porsche-design-desktop-hard-drive-usb-30

It's on sale right now for $164, not bad for a 4TB drive. Comes with a C to C cable and a C to A cable.

Tech radar review:
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc...orsche-design-mobile-drive-4tb-1324765/review

Storagereview review:
http://www.storagereview.com/lacie_porsche_design_mobile_2tb_4tb_review

 

[Fozzybadfeet]

I picked up the LaCie 4TB USB-C drive from my local Apple Store:

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/HB856ZM/B/lacie-4tb-porsche-design-desktop-hard-drive-usb-30

It's on sale right now for $164, not bad for a 4TB drive. Comes with a C to C cable and a C to A cable.

Tech radar review:
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc...orsche-design-mobile-drive-4tb-1324765/review

Storagereview review:
http://www.storagereview.com/lacie_porsche_design_mobile_2tb_4tb_review

Sweet, I'll look into this.

 

[LS417]

Love dong!

 

[LS417]

And here's his written review, not sure what's going on with CNET's testing but my atom raid has been hitting 850mb/s writes and 650 reads on non-touchbar MacBook pro using AJA disk test.

https://www.cnet.com/products/glyph-atom-ssd/review/#ftag=COS-05-10aaa0j

 

[ascender]

I picked up the LaCie 4TB USB-C drive from my local Apple Store:

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/HB856ZM/B/lacie-4tb-porsche-design-desktop-hard-drive-usb-30

It's on sale right now for $164, not bad for a 4TB drive. Comes with a C to C cable and a C to A cable.

Tech radar review:
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc...orsche-design-mobile-drive-4tb-1324765/review

Storagereview review:
http://www.storagereview.com/lacie_porsche_design_mobile_2tb_4tb_review

Thanks for the heads-up about the LaCie, I've just ordered one. Seems like insanely good value for the spec and the reviews I've seen have praised the speed over USB-C.

 

[Phisherman81]

Glad to help!!

It replaced by WD 500GB Firewire 800 World Book for Mac (I think that's what it's called...). Just the fact that I don't have to plug this little guy into a power outlet to run it is a huge upgrade, and it's less than half the size, and 8X the storage 🙂

 

[gwang73]

And here's his written review, not sure what's going on with CNET's testing but my atom raid has been hitting 850mb/s writes and 650 reads on non-touchbar MacBook pro using AJA disk test.

https://www.cnet.com/products/glyph-atom-ssd/review/#ftag=COS-05-10aaa0j

This is the one I'm looking at... will make transferring uncompressed video files so much quicker!

 

[tonidavid5]

I need fast portable disk (mainly to transfer photos (RAW files) between my current late 2012 27" iMac and my soon-to-arrive all-usb-c 2016 rMBP tb.

I'm currently considering a Samsung T3 1TB or a Samsung 850 EVO 1TB placed into the Inateck FE2008C external USB-C enclosure. Price-wise, both solutions end up costing the same where I live. The T3 holds the size advantage. The Inateck enclosures all seem to have good reviews / user feedback and this one has the latest UASP ASM1153E chipset.

Theses are the 2 options I'm left with after exploring other options. In the end, performance is limited by SATA SSDs (6Gbps) attached through USB 3.0 Gen 1 (5Gbps) ports.

Other than more expensive TB3 solutions (and not ideal for my USB-A legacy needs when connected to my iMac) are there any USB 3.1 Gen 2 (10 Gbps) options (enclosures or portable SSDs) I can use to squeeze some more juice out of current generation of SSDs, at least when connected to the 2016 MBP? Pricey options won't be worth the cost as I have to live with the speeds in my iMac before I can upgrade the desktop computer. I know the Atom from Glyph mentioned a few posts earlier is USB 3.1 Gen 2 but the read/write performance is too similar to the cheaper USB 3 Gen 1 options to be worth the extra money.

 

[Phisherman81]

I don't think USB 3 speeds are the bottleneck, but the SATA SSDs.

These guys dropped in an external enclosure will just almost match the 2016 MBP internal SSD read/write speeds:

http://www.samsung.com/us/computing...12gb-mz-v5p512bw/?cid=pla-ecom-mul-27,000,002

If that's worth the premium per GB, it's about as fast as you'll get without going TB3.

 

[tonidavid5]

These guys dropped in an external enclosure will just almost match the 2016 MBP internal SSD read/write speeds

Am I missing the enclosure? Are there any M.2 enclosures with USB 3.1 (Gen 2) connectivity?

 

[LS417]

I need fast portable disk (mainly to transfer photos (RAW files) between my current late 2012 27" iMac and my soon-to-arrive all-usb-c 2016 rMBP tb.

I'm currently considering a Samsung T3 1TB or a Samsung 850 EVO 1TB placed into the Inateck FE2008C external USB-C enclosure. Price-wise, both solutions end up costing the same where I live. The T3 holds the size advantage. The Inateck enclosures all seem to have good reviews / user feedback and this one has the latest UASP ASM1153E chipset.

Theses are the 2 options I'm left with after exploring other options. In the end, performance is limited by SATA SSDs (6Gbps) attached through USB 3.0 Gen 1 (5Gbps) ports.

Other than more expensive TB3 solutions (and not ideal for my USB-A legacy needs when connected to my iMac) are there any USB 3.1 Gen 2 (10 Gbps) options (enclosures or portable SSDs) I can use to squeeze some more juice out of current generation of SSDs, at least when connected to the 2016 MBP? Pricey options won't be worth the cost as I have to live with the speeds in my iMac before I can upgrade the desktop computer. I know the Atom from Glyph mentioned a few posts earlier is USB 3.1 Gen 2 but the read/write performance is too similar to the cheaper USB 3 Gen 1 options to be worth the extra money.

Did you check out the 1TB atom RAID? Extra $20 for speeds in the 800MB/s.

I used to own the T3 3.1 but my issue was with large transfers, speeds dropped to 200MB/s. I haven't experienced that same drop with the atom and I think it's because they use the newer 3D NAND chips from crucial.

Let these be our issues in life!
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I don't think USB 3 speeds are the bottleneck, but the SATA SSDs.

These guys dropped in an external enclosure will just almost match the 2016 MBP internal SSD read/write speeds:

http://www.samsung.com/us/computing...12gb-mz-v5p512bw/?cid=pla-ecom-mul-27,000,002

If that's worth the premium per GB, it's about as fast as you'll get without going TB3.

Not on USB3.0 they won't. While the theoretical limit of USB 3.0 is 5Gb/s, with latency and all the other layers of USB involved, the real world data transfer speeds are between 400-450 MB/s, about the speed of your average SATA SSD.

Looking at USB 3.1, Gen2, that theoretical limit is 10Gb/s, but again real world data transfer caps at just under 1000MB/s or 1GB/s.

So taking that PCI-E SSD listed, you'll need TB3 with 40Gb/s theoretical bandwidth to handle anywhere near 2,500MB/s..real world data transfer limits on TB3 are close to 2500-3000MB/s.

You will not see single bay TB3 devices or enclosures unless they are meant for PCI-E SSDs there is simple no point because no drive comes close to the real world transfer speeds of 1000MB/s of USB 3.1, Gen2, unless you require some sort of daisy-chaining a la TB3.

What Glyph has done with the Atom RAID I actually think is smart and out of the box thinking. They took two reasonably priced SATA based SSD's and put them in RAID-0, getting as close as they can to upper limit of USB 3.1, Gen 2, while avoiding costs associated with TB3 and PCI-E SSDs, and maintaining compatibility across all USB 3.0, USB-C, and TB3 computers.

 

[Phisherman81]

Did you check out the 1TB atom RAID? Extra $20 for speeds in the 800MB/s.

I used to own the T3 3.1 but my issue was with large transfers, speeds dropped to 200MB/s. I haven't experienced that same drop with the atom and I think it's because they use the newer 3D NAND chips from crucial.

Let these be our issues in life!
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Not on USB3.0 they won't. While the theoretical limit of USB 3.0 is 5Gb/s, with latency and all the other layers of USB involved, the real world data transfer speeds are between 400-450 MB/s, about the speed of your average SATA SSD.

Looking at USB 3.1, Gen2, that theoretical limit is 10Gb/s, but again real world data transfer caps at just under 1000MB/s or 1GB/s.

So taking that PCI-E SSD listed, you'll need TB3 with 40Gb/s theoretical bandwidth to handle anywhere near 2,500MB/s..real world data transfer limits on TB3 are close to 2500-3000MB/s.

You will not see single bay TB3 devices or enclosures unless they are meant for PCI-E SSDs there is simple no point because no drive comes close to the real world transfer speeds of 1000MB/s of USB 3.1, Gen2, unless you require some sort of daisy-chaining a la TB3.

What Glyph has done with the Atom RAID I actually think is smart and out of the box thinking. They took two reasonably priced SATA based SSD's and put them in RAID-0, getting as close as they can to upper limit of USB 3.1, Gen 2, while avoiding costs associated with TB3 and PCI-E SSDs, and maintaining compatibility across all USB 3.0, USB-C, and TB3 computers.

Gotcha; then please excuse me while I ***pivot*** lol, I'm on board with LS417, Glyph sounds like the speediest mobile external storage at the consumer level.

I did look up pcie external enclosures and there doesn't seem to be any reliable ones, I should have researched first, OWC has one for removed apple pcie boards, but they aren't USB-C yet.

 

[TopToffee]

Thanks for the heads-up about the LaCie, I've just ordered one. Seems like insanely good value for the spec and the reviews I've seen have praised the speed over USB-C.

Pretty annoyed that despite what it says on the Apple Store, it won't charge my MacBook Pro (15" TB)