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HERE ARE THE FACTS. Debate your opinions if you still want to.

MorganX has faulty argument/concern to begin with. USB-on-the-go may require USB2, the iMac doesn't have USB2, so he's reconsidering purchasing an iMac.

Well, USB-on-the-go is intended to bypass a computer, so worrying that a computer won't support USB-on-the-go is illogical....at least at this juncture where we don't know what role a computer could have in a USB-on-the-go scenario.

You will not be left "out in the cold" by Macs not using USB2. The cell/pda device can still communicate with your Mac via USB1. The transfer speed should be sufficient for that small amount of information that you won't miss USB2 that much.

Digital camcorders certainly may be including USB2 now as well, but it's for transferring the still photos camcorders can take now too. Firewire has been the defacto interface for pulling video off of the device. I will be surprised to find the first non-Firewire camcorder out there, but I'm sure it will arrive sometime, if not already.

USB2 vs Firewire: USB2 is certainly slower in real-world testing. Now Firewire 800 is poised to blow away USB2, as long as the peripherals will be affordable and can take advantage of 400+ speeds. You want to be mad at a manufacturer? Why doesn't Sony and the other people who include IEEE-1394 ports use 6-pin instead of 4-pin? 4-pin means you can't get power from it...that more of a sign of not serving your customers.

As for Apple and USB2, the one and only reason is because (you guessed it) it would take attention away from Firewire. That's a marketing decision. Firewire is a superior method, but yes someday USB2 will be prevalent. Maybe Firewire 800 will prove it's might by that time too. The fact is, we're not there yet, because so MANY people out there with other Windows machines do not have USB2 either. Yes, they have upgrade options (so do PowerMac people), but that involves expense and effort. USB2 as the clear choice for high-speed data transfer has not happened yet.

P.S. Think of Bluetooth as replacing infrared for syncing with cell phones and PDAs. It is slower than USB, but much more convenient. It can do the USB-on-the-go stuff without wires.
 
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Originally posted by patrick0brien
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Apple did introduce the world to USB 1 in the first place. Sure the didn't invent the technology, Intel did that, but they did set the standard, from an introductory standpoint. USB2 is nifty, but just not a clear improvement over FireWire 400. You still need drivers and even then it may never reach the ceiling of it's theoretical max of 480....
Actually, Intel did not invent USB unless by invent you mean purchase. And another thing, USB 2 cannot touch FireWire 400. USB is a client-server technology. FireWire is peer-to-peer. For USB to communicate between any two devices, it must use a computer as an intermediary. This incurs a substantial overhead (up to 100%) on your data transmission, and binds your CPU to a task that is better left to superior technology. FireWire requires no such intermediary. Connect your FireWire-enabled DV camera to your FireWire-enabled DVD recorder and you're set. USB 2 is faster than USB 1.1, but it really is the answer to a question that no one asked.
 
Originally posted by LosJackal
HERE ARE THE FACTS. Debate your opinions if you still want to.

MorganX has faulty argument/concern to begin with. USB-on-the-go may require USB2, the iMac doesn't have USB2, so he's reconsidering purchasing an iMac.

Well, USB-on-the-go is intended to bypass a computer, so worrying that a computer won't support USB-on-the-go is illogical....at least at this juncture where we don't know what role a computer could have in a USB-on-the-go scenario.

You will not be left "out in the cold" by Macs not using USB2. The cell/pda device can still communicate with your Mac via USB1. The transfer speed should be sufficient for that small amount of information that you won't miss USB2 that much.

USB2 vs Firewire: USB2 is certainly slower in real-world testing. Now Firewire 800 is poised to blow away USB2, as long as the peripherals will be affordable and can take advantage of 400+ speeds. You want to be mad at a manufacturer? Why doesn't Sony and the other people who include IEEE-1394 ports use 6-pin instead of 4-pin? 4-pin means you can't get power from it...that more of a sign of not serving your customers.

If you stand behind the notion that a maximum of 12Mbs will be sufficient, then you have a counter argument. However, I believe the existence of Firewire and USB2 have shown that this is not the case. Speed is king. USB2 is slower in some tests, faster in others. In either direction, the differences are minimal.

As for USB2 vs Firewire, on major advantage when it comes to DLDs, is the low power requirements of USB2. That is why Firewire is not a part of this solution. I believe a low power implementation for Firewire is in the works. How far off it is I don't know. This is probably why many manufacturers use 4-pin connectors.

What we do know, is that USB2 is on a clear path to becoming the defacto standard for high speed connectivity between DLDs and the PC and between DLDs and other peripherals. As sure as even the cheapest PC M/Bs have adopted USB2.

Relying on diminished performance using backwards compatibility with USB1 is a mistake IMO. Apple should 1) embrace USB2 or 2) get the low power Firewire spec out the door in a hurry and drop licensing fees.
 
Originally posted by Gus
Since FW was out and adopted long before USB 2.

FW was not widely adopted as an interconnect between PCs and PC peripherals. Primarily due to licensing. Apple nees to realize all money isn't good money.

Spare Steve the Jet, and then renting it from him. And give Firewire away.

Intel can build USB 2.0 into its chipsets. This is a benefit to consumers. Apple simply cannot do this. They on reach 3-7% of the market at any given time. Until that number increases, they should embrace and extend.
 
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