USB3.1 for MAC and Window is here

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by FireWire2, May 13, 2015.

  1. FireWire2 macrumors 6502

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    I'm happy to announce that I take a plunge into USB 3.1 arena with this card.
    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XAT4IH4

    It works, no drivers or additional software to install on my MAC OS 10.9.5
     
  2. crjackson2134 macrumors 68020

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    It appears to have a connector at the rear edge of board. Is this for additional power, and is it required?

    Once your card arrives, please let us know.
     
  3. ActionableMango macrumors 604

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    What USB 3.1 devices have you tried with it?
     
  4. FireWire2 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    UISB3.1 work with 10.7.5

    I have this card this morning! Here is how i play with it.
    MAC mini
    Using Akitio TB2 and USB 3.1 from DATOptic
    It shows up no software or additional kext needed. But I need an external power source to connect to this USB 3.1
    I test with SSD, SATA drives and SATA III Port Multiplier with
    U3eSATA adapter - the USB 3.0 that support eSATA with Port Multiplier enclosure
    I can access 5x SATA HDD as JBOD.
    Then I test the same card with my MAC Pro 2008 runs 10.7.5
    Again i have to use this cable
    [​IMG]

    It does not work! Darn it - after little searching:
    I use this GenericUSBXHCI
    http://sourceforge.net/projects/genericusbxhci/files/

    Reboot! Bam there is it

    It's a bit inconvenient with extra power cable, but i guess it delivers 1.5A @ 5V, therefore additional power is needed

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    Will link over there ! Did not see it :)
     
  5. FireWire2 thread starter macrumors 6502

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  6. ActionableMango macrumors 604

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    I'm a little bit pissed about this (not at you...at the card makers).

    We went through this with the USB 3.0 cards, where supplemental power needed to be hooked up. It's a pain in the MP to do this--I've done it.

    And it's not necessary! Today there are plenty of USB 3.0 cards that draw all their power from the PCIe slot.

    The PCIe slot provides up to 75 watts of power. 1.5A@5V on two ports is about 15 watts. So there is WAY more than enough power from the slot for this USB 3.1 card's output.

    I don't want people to have to go back to routing power cables. I'll assume it's the same lazy design issues we put up with last time for the early USB 3.0 cards, and I'll hope that future cards will eliminate the separate power requirement.
     
  7. crjackson2134 macrumors 68020

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    They won't have to I'm told. I'm not allowed to say too much until it comes to fruition but expect a 4 port 4 lane card with independent controllers that requires no drivers, no extra power, from a vendor I regularly deal with.
     
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    I'm curious what single SATA device, exactly, would benefit from being plugged into this USB 3.1 adapter compared to a similar, but USB 3.0 adapter? I mean, I use these devices all the time, even with SSD's and get full transfer speed with my 3.0 versions.

    I don't see the benefit of this having USB 3.1 for twice the price. As a matter of fact, I'm wondering what USB 3.1 will really be used for that will be faster than USB 3.0? Multi-drive arrays, yes. What else will see faster speed from 3.1 over 3.0?
     
  10. crjackson2134 macrumors 68020

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    Probably not much benefit right now other than keeping up with evolving standards.
     
  11. chabig macrumors 68040

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    Just to clarify, it's a Mac, not a MAC.
     
  12. FireWire2 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    As far as I know USB with UASP transfer data lot more efficient.
    If you're already have USB 3.0, i dont think it makes sense to upgrade ... But I intend to find out USB 3.1 really transfer over 800MB/s as Asmedia and DATOptic claim
     
  13. crjackson2134 macrumors 68020

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    UASP is approximately 70% more efficient than BOT. USB 3.1 with UASP is reportedly 97% efficient losing 3% to overhead.
     
  14. FireWire2 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    :) Thank you. Good to know
     
  15. g2only macrumors newbie

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    @crjackson2134...any words that you can share yet? I was looking at getting a 3.0 pcie card, but would really like to get a 3.1 card IF it's really plug-n-play.
     
  16. AidenShaw macrumors P6

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    But every Mac has at least one MAC ... ;)
     
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  18. crjackson2134 macrumors 68020

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    RocketU 1322A

    I find it to be very underwhelming. It doesn't seem to bring anything new to the table over USB 3.0. So far I'm disappointed, I won't be jumping on the bandwagon just yet.
     
  19. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 68040

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    Really inaccurate marketing and inconsistent info on a single page. Unless they are supplying XHCI 1.1 drivers they shouldn't claim 3.1 speeds on a Mac. Also, pairing ports into one connection doesn't count.
     
  20. 666sheep macrumors 68040

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    They do... for Windows :p

    Yeah, the catchline should be: USB 3.1 speeds on a Mac*

    * under Windows
     
  21. rotoyouoio macrumors newbie

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    could you confirm please that the asus 3.1 card based on ASMedia chipset works under el capitan oob? thank you.
     
  22. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 68040

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    No it doesn't, not even as a 3.0 device.
     
  23. flehman macrumors regular

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    I have no access to insider info, vendors, etc. and this is my own speculation so take it with the required grain of salt, but this description pretty much fits the Sonnet Allegro Pro USB 3.0 card that came out earlier this year. The regular non-pro Allegro (I have one of these installed in my 4,1->5,1) runs completely on internal power from the card slot and requires no additional wires or drivers. It had 4 ports sharing 1 controller. It has worked flawlessly for me. The Pro version features 4 USB 3.0 controllers and 4 USB 3.0 ports for more throughput per port if you connect many devices. Pretty easy to imagine Sonnet evolving this product line into a USB 3.1 solution. Sonnet's current USB 3.0 cards are pricey but they are fire-and-forget and hassle-free once they installed and that justified the extra cost for me.
     

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