Used new Mac Pro high prices?

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by rondocap, Oct 30, 2017.

  1. rondocap macrumors regular

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    Does anyone know why use the used 2013 and newer mac pro prices are still fairly high? Even the 2013 models seem to go for just under 2000, the lowest I’ve seen is 1500 or so.

    I know that Apple hardware generally retains a good resale value, but I thought they would have been a little bit lower by now considering how long they’ve been out and the technology is significantly older.

    There seems to be a pretty good supply of them as well, so any idea what explains their high prices still? Maybe no other good option yet?

    It might make sense, as my 2010 4 core Macpro is still worth around $500. But I figured 2013 would be closer to the thousand mark by now.
     
  2. Mikael H macrumors 6502a

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    This is part of it.
    Add to this that a well specced 5,1 can easily sell for $2000 still, which coincides pretty well with similarly aged HP Z8xx workstations. It's rarely cheap to get nice hardware.
     
  3. orph macrumors 68000

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    they sell for a lot as hipsters will pay a lot for them :)
    i dont think a lot where made so the price is high or the sellers are optimistic.
    on ebay i can see a LENOVO with a E5-1620v2 (8 core 3.7ghz) for £400 so about 1/4 the price (not shore what sterling to $ is at the mo)

    make a mackintosh if you want speed and price
    get a macmin if you want small

    (if i had the spare cash id get one :cool: i think there dang cool and the progression from the G4 cube, just wish there was a macmin in that kind of ethos for 1/4 the cost)
     
  4. Derived macrumors 6502

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    It may be hold hardware, but it’s still expensive hardware. Not a chance they’ll be at a grand any time soon, nor would I expect them to be. You can get one that’s maxed out for something like 4200, which isn’t too bad considering what they cost new.
     
  5. poematik13 macrumors 6502a

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    Because they're useful, regardless of what this forum thinks. It's a turnkey plug and play (no fussing with PCI cards, flashing, EFi, etc), quiet & compact, 6/8/12 core xeon mac desktop with current IO (PCI-E SSD, wifi/BT, TB2, USB 3.0).

    Regardless of how "old" it is, it's still the fastest legal macOS system by a wide margin.

    There is demand for that. There will continue to be demand until the next one comes out in 2018-2019.
     
  6. orph macrumors 68000

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    i think the main reason the price is high is just that apple as not upgraded it or replaced it in any real way, thats also why the 4.1/5.1 still are over priced (they have gone up if anything in the UK).
    if apple ever pulls out a new macpro (then a year or so go's buy) then id assume the price's will fall.
     
  7. ActionableMango macrumors G3

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    Macs hold their value well.

    I sold my 2009 and 2010 cMPs for $800-$1100 each. That is absurd for 7-8 year old computers.

    In comparison a 7-8 year old Windows PC is nearly worthless.
     
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  9. ActionableMango macrumors G3

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    Wow, what is keeping that price up? I'm not seeing it. High density RAM? Dual Quadros?
     
  10. AidenShaw, Oct 31, 2017
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    ...and 9TB of disk plus an SSD.

    But to undermine my own argument - that system has probably lost a higher percentage of its original price than an MP5,1 or the trash can. A 192 GiB, dual Quadro, water-cooled system was more than a bit above five figures 8 years ago.
     
  11. pl1984 Suspended

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    Can you give me some tips on how to sell my mid-2010 21.5" iMac? I've had it listed on CL for about a month and no hits at $150.00.
     
  12. ActionableMango, Oct 31, 2017
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    In general, I try to look at the other ads for same computer and then I try to differentiate mine in several ways to make it stand out. Usually this means lots and lots of quality pictures, making sure everything is very clean and spotless, and writing a thorough description. If my hardware is better in any way, I will point it out. For example I had x5690's so I said "12-cores 3.46 GHz is the fastest you can get in a 2010 Mac Pro and much faster than what everyone else is selling", and I had also added 802.11AC and BT4.0 which none of the others had.

    If you have a base model you don't have much to go with. Maybe clean it super well and mention that it is immaculate, non-smoker house, first owner, no cat hair, etc. If you have any of the original accessories, especially the box, say so. Take pictures of all those too. Add screen shots of the system info - buyers love to see that stuff.

    Yes this is more work, but a high quality presentation will comfort buyers and give them confidence in you. It will also put you above all the people who snap one out-of-focus pic in such bad lighting that it looks like sepia tone, then write a one-liner about how they want to dump their iMack.

    If you still have no luck on Craigslist, you could try alternatives. On Ebay it looks like they generally sell for a lot more than $180 and up (even way up). Maybe post there with a fixed price for what you want and see what happens. If you don't want to ship, set it to local pickup only. Factor in their cut.

    I have also sold stuff at work. If your workplace has a corkboard or whatever for something like that, try there.

    Good luck.
     
  13. pl1984 Suspended

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    Thanks for the tips. I've done most of them. Especially the clear pictures, configuration, and description (I even provide a link to everymac so people can look up the details straight from my ad).

    I've sold (and bought) a lot of systems on CL, the majority of them Mac. Never have I had a problem selling a Mac as I have this one. It is entry level except it has additional RAM. I even highlight it is still supported by Apple with macOS High Sierra (many listed on CL in this price range are older C2D systems which are no longer supported).

    Maybe now just isn't the right time. I'm in no hurry to sell so I can sit on it. Thanks again.
     
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  16. AidenShaw macrumors P6

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    They're waiting for the price to drop below $20K.
     
  17. orph macrumors 68000

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    I blame hipsters, empty cans of coke the end of times is coming :confused:

    got to say both the coke can and that gtx 580 look like troll accounts, im only buying $25K cans of cake from ppl with more than 10 positive feedback.
    fool on you when you see the hole in the dent where the coke was drained :mad:

    50/50 AidenShaw is on the ball with the below $20K :( and im sad now

    (sorry for going off topic, id go with supply demand and how long some one is happy to sit on the item before selling, i am relay looking at a hack for my next apple :()
     
  18. H2SO4 macrumors 601

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    Not quite. So turn key plug and play............I go to the shop and return with my Mac Pro tower. I plug it in, and into it I connect a monitor and keyboard. Then I switch on.
    That's exactly the same as a nMP. It's no more or less turnkey. With the older model I have the option to fart about with PCI cards, flashing, EFi, etc.
    Also with regard to fastest. No. Not in absolute terms at least, quite sure the iMac will best it in quite a few conditions.
     
  19. OS-SEX macrumors member

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    I have an opportunity to buy the 6 core model with 64 GB RAM, 512 GB flash drive and the D700 gfx cards for $2500. Given the inflated prices of these machines, that would seem to be a very good price. If I decide not to keep it I should be able to resell it for at least that much, right?
     
  20. MarkJames68 macrumors 6502

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    That is a good price assuming all is working well. If you figure new (and the lower “new” price) that configuration is over $4000 you would be able to resell it.

    The only questions I would ask is if the SSD is SSUBX (x4 PCIe) or SSUAX (x2), if it’s all factory and not updated later, and if upgraded later, look at the specs to make sure it’s 1866 RDIMMs.
     
  21. OS-SEX macrumors member

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    Thanks for your reply. It does have 1866 RDIMMs but I'll need to check on the SSD. I'm gonna take a look at it this weekend.
     
  22. MarkJames68 macrumors 6502

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    Easiest way to know on the SSD (also verify it has the heat sink on it so you know it’s a Mac Pro SSD) is to ask for a Blackmagic read/write benchmark. If you’re 1100 or above it’s x4.

    Lastly, if you don’t buy it let me know the scoop and I will ;) I would probably swap out the D700s with my D300s and sell it on eBay quickly for at least $2K.
     
  23. nigelbb macrumors 65816

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    It's specifically because the nMP has not been updated that the prices are so high as used prices reflect the price of the same model still available new.
     
  24. trifid, Nov 3, 2017
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    Because despite what the reality distortion field™ may want you to think, a large number of mac users prefer modular desktops. Unfortunately Apple's agenda is to push planned-obsolescence products as much as possible such as mobile devices and soldered/glued all-in-ones for greater profit margins, hence the desktops are neglected.

    Mac Pro is the closest to the mythical xMac that the rest of us wants.
     
  25. iPadified macrumors regular

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    Do you have any real market figures about how many mac users prefer modular desktops? We know however that Apple sells about 5 millions Macs per quarter despite not being modular. The agenda of Apple is not different from many if not all vendors inside and outside the IT field. I think it is very few products (think also outside the IT sector) that are upgradable and user servicable nowadays. For good or bad that is the way the market is going and Apple is tagging along.
     

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