Using A Powerbook In 2018

Discussion in 'PowerPC Macs' started by Dronecatcher, May 21, 2018.

  1. Dronecatcher macrumors 68030

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    I know it'll just contain old news to most on here but I've just posted a video putting my 12" 1.33 Powerbook through it's paces.
    My reason for doing this is because I'm fed up with the endless videos that go up showing "how useless Powerbooks are now."

     
  2. AL1630 macrumors 6502

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    Well, maybe those videos help keep prices down a little! :D
     
  3. AphoticD macrumors 68000

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    Excellent demo!

    But how are we supposed to use a Mac that doesn’t do Siri or Emojis? o_O
     
  4. AphoticD macrumors 68000

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    Here’s my little PowerBook G4 12” achieving greatness out in nature. I went on a trek through the bush and found a quiet little grotto to do some focused work. I also did some audio recordings of the serenity with the built in mic. I think I’ll come back with my little USB powered Mbox I/O and a stand-alone Omni directional mic to get some better field recordings.

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    PowerBook in 2018 FTW!
     
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    Very impressive. Nice work!
     
  6. Dronecatcher thread starter macrumors 68030

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    I would add to this that my Powerbook doesn't have the benefit of a SSD and only has 768Mb RAM...so still room for improvement :)
     
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    This is great, I was thinking how nice it’d be to start a thread along the lines: how is your G4 getting on in 2018?

    I just started buying back all the old Macs my family, myself or my work has used going back to a Macintosh Color Classic circa 1992-1993.

    Edit: I’ve only gotten as far as picking up a PowerBook G4 Ti I recently posted in another thread but it’s the start of about 4-5 machines I need to ‘reclaim’

    Looking forward to hearing more stories from the PPC community!
     
  8. dbdjre0143 macrumors regular

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    Fantastic work @Dronecatcher! Your PB is also impressively snappy for not having an SSD and only 768 MB of RAM. Making me consider throwing a Tiger partition on my DLSD to see how it compares with Leopard on that machine, since my previous machine running Tiger was a 1GHz iBook.
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    What a beautiful spot to work! I don't think I'd manage to get anything done there. Too much pretty stuff to look at and distract me. :p
     
  9. Dronecatcher thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Thanks :) I find it's just best to try both - in theory Tiger should be more responsive but sometimes the hardware seems to like Leopard.
     
  10. z970mp macrumors 65816

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    Seems like a comfortable little napping spot.

    I take it you don't have to deal with the horrible burden of mosquitoes out there, do you? Little b@$t@rb$ ruin all that is good and holy in life.
     
  11. Imixmuan macrumors 6502

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    A valuable contribution to the PowerPC community. There are so many crap videos on the tubes showing a stock mac running stock software in 2018. My personal least favorite is when they try to play youtube inside of tenfourfox. Facepalm. That is just not going to work. Please post an update when you put that SSD in and max out the RAM. Also appreciate that Swamprock posting his old Titanium G4 video the other day. Sad when he took all his MintPPC on a G3 Powerbook videos down off the youtubes.
     
  12. Dronecatcher thread starter macrumors 68030

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    I don't think I'll ever be doing that - seems capable of doing what I need as is plus the failing of all single processor Macs is browsing heavy websites - something a SSD and RAM can't fix.
     
  13. AphoticD, May 22, 2018
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    Great! I’ve mentioned this before, but I genuinely see the portable G4 Macs fully operational for another 10 years at least. This absolutely supersedes the limit of what we would all typically consider as the functional working lifespan of a computer system.

    The build quality of the Aluminum PowerBooks, in all 3 sizes, have been, without compromise, the best quality Apple products ever built.

    Externally, many of these machines on the 2nd hand market may have taken a beating, but most are still fully operational and the internal components have been almost unbreakable.

    Even in a tight design like the PB 12” it is rare for logic boards and GPUs to overheat and fail anywhere near the rate of failure in the iBooks, MacBooks and MacBook Pros.

    The iBook G4s are also an elegant and externally durable design, but with many internal components built on the cheap, I don’t think they will stand the test of time in the same league as the PowerBook G4.

    Also, although the Titanium is a thing of beauty, it unfortunately is a fragile device, with paint stripping at the lightest sneeze, hinges snapping and frames cracking during regular use. These just won’t survive as working portable Macs like their younger Aluminum siblings.

    As you can tell, I’m a big fan of the AlBooks. My collection started with a single 15” model purchased new in 2004 and has recently, within the past year or so, grown to include;

    PB 12” 1.0Ghz, 512MB, 80GB HDD
    PB 12” 1.33Ghz, 1.25GB, 60GB HDD
    PB 12” 1.5Ghz, 1.25GB, 64GB mSATA SSD

    PB 15” 1.0Ghz, 768MB, 60GB HDD
    PB 15” 1.5Ghz, 2GB, 60GB SSD
    PB 15” 1.67Ghz SLSD, 2GB, 80GB HDD
    2x PB 15” 1.67Ghz DLSD, 2GB, 80GB HDD

    PB 17” 1.67Ghz SLSD, 2GB, 64GB mSATA SSD

    :apple::apple::apple:
     
  14. AphoticD, May 22, 2018
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    1.25GB will help with Leopard, but 768MB should be plenty for Tiger.

    Have you done any SSD upgrades in your portable PowerPCs? The difference in performance, although bottlenecked by the rest of the system, still makes for a valid (and relatively cheap) upgrade option.

    You won’t see throughput speeds like you will in a SATA equipped Mac like the MB/MBP, but the general snappiness is massively boosted.
     
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    Think it might be a case of keeping them as unmolested as possible? I can understand that with anything considered vintage or collectible. Bringing back the art of patience one kilobyte at a time!
     
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    Impressive video. Good to keep PowerPC alive - at least we aren't suffering from the problems Intel is suffering from.
     
  17. AphoticD macrumors 68000

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    I totally get that, but hard disks fail (especially 2.5” drives operating regularly at 60C+). An SSD upgrade might suit as a better choice when the time comes to replace the HDD.
     
  18. pixelatedscraps macrumors 6502

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    True that, especially when SSD prices (and the capacity needed with PPC) are where they are.
     
  19. Dronecatcher, May 23, 2018
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    Not as yet...I see them as a bit of a luxury considering the cost would be the same, double or in some cases, 4 times the initial outlay of the Mac!

    I'll probably opt for one when I have a drive fail...but I've been lucky in that respect so far :)

    Conversely, when I had Amigas, they were all upgraded to CF drives but they benefitted more.
     
  20. AphoticD macrumors 68000

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    Fair enough. For a relative benchmark, the bump from a stock 5400rpm HDD to SSD in the PowerBooks would be like going from an iBook’s 4200rpm 2.5” to a SATA 7200rpm 3.5” HDD in a G5 system. The difference is nice and smooth, but it’s not going to change the capabilities of the machine.
     
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    Whilst compiling Gimp 2.8 using Macports , I do have to state that for me personally Macports works a lot better on PPC than on my Intel MBPr .

    Python 2.7 on Intel craps out all kind of pip install issues whereas on my Powerbook it just compiles and builds with ease albeit slow, almost as smooth as my Lenovo X220 Fedora install.

    So compiling stuff still happening on PPC in 2018, sorry Intel OS X.
     
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    All I can say is that I wish my PowerBook G4 ran this well! Will have to sell it one of these days.
     
  24. Dronecatcher thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Judging by your signature you have the last model Powerbook 12" (faster than mine) - so yours should be better? I'd suggest a re-installation and follow guides on here to optimise and tune...mine's not exceptional, users on here with SSDs will testify to even better performance :)
     
  25. Justin122 macrumors 6502

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    You would think so but it needs a good service, and yes probably an SSD swap. It runs way too hot meaning the fans are constantly blasting and is just a bit sluggish, but I will definitely try downloading some of the apps shown in your video.
     

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