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Using an iphone thats been reported stolen?
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just use it mate, yeah its wrong but the big companies will not care about your phone, it is pocket change for them. yeah its immoral but you aren't bothered, and neither are a lot of people, me included.
you wont get prosecuted for fraud as you didn't commit fraud.
if the imei number is blocked just use it as an ipod touch, its better than nothing! there used to be a way with 1.1.4 where you could change the imei number. no idea if you can still do this but you could look into it. i think it was ziphone you could do this with.
you wont get prosecuted for fraud as you didn't commit fraud.
if the imei number is blocked just use it as an ipod touch, its better than nothing! there used to be a way with 1.1.4 where you could change the imei number. no idea if you can still do this but you could look into it. i think it was ziphone you could do this with.
thelatinist
macrumors 603
This phone does not belong to your sister, and she has no right to give it to you. What you are talking about is insurance fraud.
Oh be quiet. They've stolen enough of our money, only an idiot would return property before they ask.
Neolithium
macrumors 6502a
It's his legal obligation to phone and report it. He can in reality do what he wants, but hopefully won't bitch if he gets slapped with a felony charge.
Vegastouch
macrumors 603
Agree...whats with the forum police?
Felony charge? Really? Is that what some of you think will happen?....LOL
Actually, that isn't necessarily true. He would have to read in the AMEX insurance paperwork he signed. If there is a "responsibility to return if found" section, he would be technically obligated to. Otherwise, he isn't.
dhlizard
macrumors G4
Regardless of how you sugar coat it, it is still wrong.
Good life lesson for your sister, do what sis does, commit insurance fraud (which is a felony in almost every state, by the way, regardless of the value of the item)
Seriously. You might be in the wrong forum. The Retired Hall Monitor's Forum..that's what you are looking for.
rjohnstone
macrumors 68040
You're correct.
The phone is the property of American Express.
I wonder if she bothered to read the declaration on the claim form they signed.
Declaring something stolen when in fact it was lost or misplaced is fraud.
If she filed a police report, she is required by law to notify the police that the property has been recovered.
Applejuiced
macrumors Westmere
Thats false.
AT&T nor tmobile blacklist IMEI's of stolen or lost cellphones in the US.
Get your assumptions straight before posting them as facts.
Thats also false.
AMEX or any USA carrier dont blacklist cellphones PERIOD.
The phone WAS genuinely lost/stolen. It wasnt returned to us until now. What would be the purpose of faking something like that if we're not even sure if its gonna work?!?!? ( As professionals, my parents would never go for something like that. and my sister is def not smart enough to plan something like what. and she really has no reason to. She doesnt like me THAT much.)
Regardless I GET now that its fraud. and maybe my parents will make us give it back ( theyre not here right now, but when they get back we'll see what happens).
But my question was is it possible to use and how. so if anyone could answer that, i would greatly appreciate it.
rjohnstone
macrumors 68040
Get a dictionary. HUGE difference between lost and stolen.
Amex does not cover "lost/misplaced" items.
Just put in your ATT sim card and use it.PERIOD. no need to jailbreak or unlock. and don't worry about being charged with multiple felonies or misdemeanors, what a joke some of the fools on this forum are 😀
**for all you forum attorneys/police and legal superstars,you people need to do a head check and calm down. All of you would do the same thing, or at least would think about it 😱
Vegastouch
macrumors 603
Completely agree. Nothing is going to happen. I know a few guys that have had phones from craigslist that were stolen. They just used it and nothing happened. These posters in here i just think are jealous and i cant think of why that would be. What do you fools care what he does with the phone?
Just use it, it will be fine but if your worried, just sell it and that person can enjoy with no worry.
dhlizard
macrumors G4
If you really think all people are like that you are either an idiot or a fool !
You think wrong. What would I have to be jealous about ?
Vegastouch
macrumors 603
I dont know, which i said but i dont see why it matters to you and others either. He asked if it would work and some just want to tell him about how wrong he is for thinking his phone was stolen and some time later somebody actually returned it which he wasnt expecting. Who cares what you think, either answer the question or not.
dhlizard
macrumors G4
What matters is I consider myself a moral person. I don't jailbreak to steal apps and don't break laws (other than speeding too often). Keeping or converting property that does not belong to you is stealing.
And I am not afraid to suggest to others that they do the right thing. The world is full of people doing the wrong things.
Generally, the moderators here do not condone piracy and stealing. Hopefully this thread will go poof.
And I have as much right to comment on this thread as you have the right to tell me not to comment.
Bill Gates
macrumors 68030
I don't understand why this is even up for debate. Obviously many of the replies in this thread are coming from children who don't understand that your actions have consequences. If AMEX finds out either directly or indirectly they could retroactively deny your claim and you could be liable for both the replacement cost of the iPhone and for your actions should they choose to pursue legal recourse. If you have any wits about you you'll contact AMEX and the authorities before you do anything that could result in claims against you.
Vegastouch
macrumors 603
See this is what i mean. He didnt steal anything. It isnt like he went to took somebodies phone from the purse or took it off a bench when somebody walked away. He thought HIS was stolen and sometime later, he was returned....luckily i might add. If that is stealing to youthen i dont know what to say.
Nothing wrong with having morals but if you ask me, i think Apple is stealing from people everytime they ask us to pony up a fee to get the 5 extra Apps that i didnt get with my first gen iPod that they gave to everybody else for free and then want me to pay 10 bucks to get 2.0 & 3.0 updates that everybody else is getting for free.
I dont feel sorry for Apple at all if he luckily got his phone back. They want to make more money, release the phone to every carrier and they will but dont charge bulls*** fees for some and not others.
If this guy is asked to pay a fee for his phone then great, he can but if they dont, ....again, it isnt like he stole it from somebody. He didnt know he was going to get it back.
Bill Gates
macrumors 68030
Bla bla bla big brother steals from us therefore it's OK to steal from him. This is such a fallacious argument it's not even worth debating.
Originally Posted by LivingLarge
Just put in your ATT sim card and use it.PERIOD. no need to jailbreak or unlock. and don't worry about being charged with multiple felonies or misdemeanors, what a joke some of the fools on this forum are
Thanks guys =]. Also, if i want make the phone so i wont have to get a data plan, what would i do?
Just put in your ATT sim card and use it.PERIOD. no need to jailbreak or unlock. and don't worry about being charged with multiple felonies or misdemeanors, what a joke some of the fools on this forum are
Thanks guys =]. Also, if i want make the phone so i wont have to get a data plan, what would i do?
Vegastouch
macrumors 603
Just saying i dont feel sorry for them. It isnt an arguement on my part. Am i stealing since i dont have AT&T but use an iPhone? The rest of the world gets them unlocked and T-mobile dont seem to care that im using it either.
dhlizard
macrumors G4
Once an insurance replacement is made, the original item (if recovered or found) belongs to the insurance company. OP wants to convert it to her own use knowing it belongs to insurance company.
if you really go to jail on a felony charge for this, you have got to be an idiot. only 13% of criminals ever get caught, and most of them are for the big stuff like murder. its an ethics question, not a legal question (unless you are very unlucky or stupid).