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I still want to know how they can balance privacy (ie. preventing someone tracking you by notifying you of a persistent nearby tracker) with security of your property (ie. not revealing that there is a tracker to the thief if your item is stolen).

I'm not sure they can be separated, but if there is a way I'm sure Apple has worked it out.
 
Settings.app > Privacy > Location Services > Share My Location > Find My iPhone > Find My Network (Toggle It Off)

...Or at least that seems like what you're wanting to turn off.
Thank you. That was exactly what I wanted. But I see that Apple is basically blackmailing us into participating in the Find My network.

Right underneath that setting is the text of the blackmail:

"Participating in the Find My network lets you locate this iPhone even if it's offline."

So if I don't participate in the Find My network, Apple won't allow me to locate my iPhone even if it's offline. Nicely played, Apple. Now I'm forced to participate if I want have a chance to locate my iPhone if I ever lose it and it goes offline.
 
Thank you. That was exactly what I wanted. But I see that Apple is basically blackmailing us into participating in the Find My network.

Right underneath that setting is the text of the blackmail:

"Participating in the Find My network lets you locate this iPhone even if it's offline."

So if I don't participate in the Find My network, Apple won't allow me to locate my iPhone even if it's offline. Nicely played, Apple. Now I'm forced to participate if I want have a chance to locate my iPhone if I ever lose it and it goes offline.
So... you don’t want your phone to help others find their missing stuffs, but you want others’ phones to help you find your missing stuffs. How brilliant that the world revolves around you!
 
Is this for people who have a few too many and can't find their bike or an anti-theft feature that will be defeated by smashing that plastic bit with a hammer?
Nope, this is for people still on that wet dream of AirTags. If Apple could do the product of a hardware puck with greater value they'd do it. instead the margins are FAR too low and let small fries make the tiny hardware is huge volumes and let partners connect to their cloud services. ;) Boost that cloud services revenue - no hardware to expense out of the final profit.
 
Van Moofs tracking promises are renowned for being utterly rubbish.
Don't waste your time and money. Seriously.
 
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That is what we are intending to do with our cars as well when AirTags finally comes out. Hide them in discreet places in the cars or truck and that way, if ever stolen (hoping not, of course) then maybe one of the hundreds of millions iPhones out there would be able to locate it. I don’t want to opt out of this either. If I can help someone get their possessions back then it would be a win for them.
Most cars have a built in GPS system. Alongside a bunch of cool remote start features and what not. Look into these as well as the AirTags as a backup.
 
Thank you. That was exactly what I wanted. But I see that Apple is basically blackmailing us into participating in the Find My network.
No, not blackmailing you, offering you a deal. You help others and others help you.
Right underneath that setting is the text of the blackmail:

"Participating in the Find My network lets you locate this iPhone even if it's offline."
That is not blackmail. It is an explanation. If your device does not participate in the network, your device can only be found if it transmits its GPS location to the network. If it does participate, it acts as a part of the mesh and transmits its tag to any participating Apple device that passes it, and when other devices are near it, it receives their tags and uploads their location to Apple when the radios next get powered up. Completely anonymous.
So if I don't participate in the Find My network, Apple won't allow me to locate my iPhone even if it's offline.
If you do not activate the service, you are neither a transmitter nor a receiver and you do not get the benefit of the service.
Nicely played, Apple. Now I'm forced to participate if I want have a chance to locate my iPhone if I ever lose it and it goes offline.
You do understand that the service would be useless if people could only be transmitters, right? If there are no devices that receive these pings, there is no network. You can still locate your device as long as it can still send out its GPS coordinates. That takes a lot of power and so will not last that long. The Find My Network pings are very low power and will last much longer.
 
I still want to know how they can balance privacy (ie. preventing someone tracking you by notifying you of a persistent nearby tracker) with security of your property (ie. not revealing that there is a tracker to the thief if your item is stolen).

I'm not sure they can be separated, but if there is a way I'm sure Apple has worked it out.
To my knowledge all of these concerns are already solved by apple, Rene Ritchie does a good video on YouTube about this.
 
Pretty much the closest you can get to Apple designing a bike. Apple have been working on it with the firm and giving feedback since 2020. That's an Apple inspired product right there.
I know what you mean, but this bike existed long before Apple got involved. Apple's only input was the ‘find my’ integration, nothing to do with the bike design.
 
I think it's a killer feature. Bike theft is a plague (at least in Europe, can't talk about the US) and anything than can add a layer of security will be well received. As someone mentioned above, this is integrated inside the frame with the rest of the electrical components so I think trying to disable it would greatly reduce the value of the bike.
 
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Pretty much the closest you can get to Apple designing a bike. Apple have been working on it with the firm and giving feedback since 2020. That's an Apple inspired product right there.
Tbqh, I rode a Van Moof bike and while its nice Gazelle, Reese and Mueller, Specialized all make far and away better e-bikes.

Van Moofs claim to fame is the anti bike theft option. Tbqh that can also be solved with bike lockers like BikeLink or Oonee.
 
Is this for people who have a few too many and can't find their bike or an anti-theft feature that will be defeated by smashing that plastic bit with a hammer?

It certainly is a nice bonus feature to have. It’s not an excuse to stop thinking about security for sure. Just like with an iPhone.
 
Pretty much the closest you can get to Apple designing a bike. Apple have been working on it with the firm and giving feedback since 2020. That's an Apple inspired product right there.

Did Apple have any input other than on the feature in question?
 
On one hand this would be really useful in Berlin but no one is crazy enough to use a new bike there lol gone with the wind … and tracked across the border in a day

I’m sure there’s plenty of the most modern bikes in a country like Germany especially in Berlin. Thieves are expected of course with anything of value.
 
Thank you. That was exactly what I wanted. But I see that Apple is basically blackmailing us into participating in the Find My network.

Right underneath that setting is the text of the blackmail:

"Participating in the Find My network lets you locate this iPhone even if it's offline."

So if I don't participate in the Find My network, Apple won't allow me to locate my iPhone even if it's offline. Nicely played, Apple. Now I'm forced to participate if I want have a chance to locate my iPhone if I ever lose it and it goes offline.

Do you also feel blackmailed into getting an Apple ID in order to use their services?
 
why do people steal bikes?
not sure if it was ment as a sacarsm or genuine question, so I assume it is geniune ^^. It's unfortunately a good reward vs. difficulty ratio. It's relatively easy to steal (most locks can be destroyed) and easy to re-sell ('used' bike). ebikes make this a bit harder (custom components, integration with an app), and I think that this would take everything a step further, thus increasing the difficulty and deterring potential thieves. it's a free extra feature so why not?
 
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Stehmann said the Find My integration is purely a software feature, with no special chip inside the bike, adding that it took about nine months for Apple and VanMoof to tweak the software to be implemented properly.

All new VanMoof S3 and X3 e-bike models purchased after April 7 will be compatible with the Find My app

That tells me enough to not buy any VanMoof Bike ever.
 
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