I know we all use vBulletin bulletin. MR is powered by it and from a user standpoint, it's great. But then again, the folks at MR haven't really customized it too much design wise and basically left all the features in tact. Before I start blasting vBulletin, I have to admit that for forums with heavy traffic, like MR, vBulletin is the way to go. From what I hear, phpBB and InvisionBoard just cannot handle the traffic. Some believe that a great strength of vBulletin is its many features. But does one really need Buddy Lists, thread ratings and many other things I don't need. I'm doing a design overhaul for work right now and I'm drained daily trying to tackle vBulletin. I've given up on trying to make it validate. But trying to navigate through its nested tables makes me want to just quit. No wonder so many people essentially use the default vBulletin template. I tried to go to vBulletin.org to get a sense of other boards and how they do it. Yeah, all just as ugly. And worse still, one of the moderator there releases these horrible "admin" styles, which s/he thinks are wonderful. vBulletin is a designers nightmare. A giant mess. We bought a license back in 2000, when it was still in version 1. Now it's at version 3 and ridiculous. I'm thinking of getting rid of it. But what other choices do I have? We don't have a traffic heavy board. It's used for a school and the reason we picked vBulletin is for the user administrative features. We basically deny all accounts except for our the students. Has anyone setup vBulletin before? Is it just me or is it a nightmare? Anyone have a positive experience with another board?