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Ventura bluetooth issues with Logitech MX Master 3S mouse?
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+1 on the bluetooth bug. It started happening to me after updating to 13.2 on my 2017 27" iMac when coming out of sleep mode.
Tried resetting my bluetooth module as described on page 1 of the thread. Lets see if that resolves it long term.
Edit: I am using Magic Keyboard, Magic Trackpad, and Magic Mouse and was losing connectivity. I am not using any Logitech products.
Tried resetting my bluetooth module as described on page 1 of the thread. Lets see if that resolves it long term.
Edit: I am using Magic Keyboard, Magic Trackpad, and Magic Mouse and was losing connectivity. I am not using any Logitech products.
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Hi btrach144,
I have the same 5K iMac from 2017. I don't have a Logitech keyboard though. In my case my Apples Magic Keyboard and Mouse won't reconnect after a longer period of sleep (usually overnight). It seems to be a bug in Venturas Bluetooth stack in my opinion. I dearly hope they will fix it soon.
Is there maybe a way to report this problem?
I'm using an MX Master 3S connected via Bluetooth and a Magic Keyboard. I've got a 2017 27-inch iMac and I'm not experiencing any problems running Ventura.
I am on an M1 MacBook Pro. Been having this issue not just with the MX Master 3S For Mac. It first happened when my magic trackpad, magic keyboard and my Sony headphones were all connected at once. This still sometimes happens when I connect my mouse by itself. But it seems like it is more prone to happen when there is a lot of bluetooth traffic. Below are my thoughts.
Apple needs to provide a software fix for this. Plain and simple.
- I do not think this is a Logitech problem as it happened with the magic trackpad as well
- This appears to be caused by overloading the bluetooth radio with more than one device
- This seems to specifically be an issue with Apple Silicon machines
- (Logitech) If you ship your product labeled "for Mac" and don't ship a dongle, you should at least vet the issue and look to Apple for software help prior to launch
- Yes, turning bluetooth on and off during every wake will fix this problem. But seriously? I shouldn't have to do this every time I wake my workstation!
Apple needs to provide a software fix for this. Plain and simple.
Both my MX Master 3S and Lift have been terrible since last Ventura update (13.2) on my 16" M1 Pro. I never ever had a mouse problem before that. No I won't use the dongle. All my ports are used, and even if they weren't I wouldn't buy a USB A adaptor. This is really a pain.
This is my experience exactly. Just out of curiosity - did you have any issues on Ventura 13.0 or 13.1 too? (I started having issues as soon as I updated to 13.0, but had no issues on Monterey)
I switched to Ventura with 13.1 but this problem appeared with 13.2. Nothing before that.
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With the dongle👍🏼
Lou
still those trashes at apple fix the problem with many mouses like mx master 3. And yes, i'm not having problem with monterey
If you have the MX Master 3s, and use the Logi Bolt, I read somewhere to get a USB-A to USB-C adapter and put it into a USB-C port.
I did this, and honestly, it's only been a day, but I have not had any problems. I would get lag with both Bluetooth and using the bolt, so maybe this is the way.
I did this, and honestly, it's only been a day, but I have not had any problems. I would get lag with both Bluetooth and using the bolt, so maybe this is the way.
I have intermittent lag/jitter just plugging it (USB Bolt) into my Mac Mini, or even using an USB-A extension cable. I'd say it's 80/20 good/bad. So far, with the USB-A to USB-C adapter, I have not had one issue. It's still early, but for ME, and perhaps anyone else having this issue, it could resolve it.
So from the 4 machines I've tested with Ventura and the MX Master 3s mouse, this appears to be an issue specific to the M1 over the M2 if we're talking Apple silicon - at least in my experience. I have borderline unusable Bluetooth whenever the MX Master 3s is connected. Weirdly it also makes my AirPods Pro extremely stuttery.
I have the following devices;
MacBook Pro 14" M1 Pro
MacBook Pro 13" M1
MacBook Air M2
Mac Mini M2
Just today, I factory reset the MacBook Pro 14" M1 Pro with MacOS Monterey, and bluetooth in general alongside the MX Master 3s work flawlessly. I then performed the upgrade to Ventura and initially it worked perfectly. After putting it to sleep about 2-3 times, the stuttering came back and now it's horrible to use.
The above also applies to the MacBook Pro 13" M1.
As for the MacBook Air M2, and Mac Mini M2, they run absolutely flawlessly on Ventura with all bluetooth devices, including Logitech. No stuttering, no lag, no disconnect issues, nothing.
It seems to me that there is some kind of issue between the M1 chip, Ventura, and the bluetooth chip.
I have the following devices;
MacBook Pro 14" M1 Pro
MacBook Pro 13" M1
MacBook Air M2
Mac Mini M2
Just today, I factory reset the MacBook Pro 14" M1 Pro with MacOS Monterey, and bluetooth in general alongside the MX Master 3s work flawlessly. I then performed the upgrade to Ventura and initially it worked perfectly. After putting it to sleep about 2-3 times, the stuttering came back and now it's horrible to use.
The above also applies to the MacBook Pro 13" M1.
As for the MacBook Air M2, and Mac Mini M2, they run absolutely flawlessly on Ventura with all bluetooth devices, including Logitech. No stuttering, no lag, no disconnect issues, nothing.
It seems to me that there is some kind of issue between the M1 chip, Ventura, and the bluetooth chip.
I appreciate that you did this experiment, it mirrors exactly my experience.
Just to confirm, when you upgraded to Ventura you upgraded to the latest version 13.2.1?
Yes, that is correct. It was the latest version available for download via Settings > Software Update.
Since I didn’t have much data since the reinstall, I performed another reinstall back to Monterey and have now disabled auto updates.
It’s super frustrating as I work from home and use my MX Master for hours everyday. It’s really the only mouse that I find comfortable to use. The Magic Mouse I simply cannot get along with.
I’m hoping that perhaps Ventura 13.3 introduces some improvements, but I have a feeling I may have to skip Ventura entirely…
FWIW I switched back to the Magic Mouse and these $15 Elevation Labs grips made it much more ergonomic: https://www.elevationlab.com/products/magicgrips-for-magic-mouse
If you want to keep using the MX Master mouse, I would recommend using the logitech dongle instead of bluetooth - that seemed to have solved the issue for me (before I switched back to the magic mouse).
But yeah, I feel you. I upgraded to Ventura to try out Stage Manager but couldn't figure out how to make it work for my workflow, so now I'm just stuck with basically the same OS but with worse bluetooth, which is sad.
I've had issues with multiple Logitech mice and bluetooth over the years, to the point where I stopped using them entirely. These issues happened on both Mac OS and Windows machines, so it seems to be more of an issue with how Logitech has implemented Bluetooth support instead of a particular OS or machine model that's responsible.
Yeah I think that's definitely a possibility. That said, it did work perfectly fine in Monterey and then broke after upgrading to Ventura, so I suspect it's an issue introduced by Apple, but it could also be that a change in Ventura exposed a already-existing Logitech bug that just happened to work under Monterey. Frustrating either way as a user
