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This is definitely a long time coming and will make it much easier for consumers as their buying options will be the same whether they shop at an Apple Store or directly at Verizon. Since previously Verizon didn't allow 2yr in their stores but allowed them to be done at an Apple Store
 
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This is pretty ridiculous. It's obviously an anti-consumer move, so I don't think Verizon was exactly expecting this to delight anybody.

However, for them to just abruptly announce this on a Thursday afternoon is complete BS. People have been paying these monthly rates for 2 years or more to receive subsidized prices on phones. For them to just revoke upgrades, which is essentially considered a $450 credit for a consumer, without any sort of warning is utterly ridiculous and incredibly greedy.

I expect there will be significant backlash tomorrow which may force them adjust this policy to at least make this a little more fair for existing customers who had upgrades on their accounts. My family would have had 2 upgrades on our account by the end of this month; essentially a $900 credit toward new phones gone with no warning whatsoever.

As someone else said, it's silly to stay on these GF plans now. Will be switching to one of the new plans next week.
The contract you signed was your acknowledgement and agreement, that said carrier could make changes to the contract and or service it provides as it sees fit. You shouldn't be mad at Verizon for exercising power under the contract you signed.
 
I am all for not being tied to a two year contract. As has been said already, getting a subsidized phone (as a whole) meant having to pay more to the carrier.
Ultimately it depends on the plan you are on. On older plans you were paying the same whether you got a cheap/free subsidized phone vs. if you bought one at full price, so clearly going down the subsidized path would save money. On the current plans, it can still be potentially cheaper too, depending on the phone and the plan specifics, but for the most part the subsidy doesn't really provide a better price with those plans.
 
The contract you signed was your acknowledgement and agreement, that said carrier could make changes to the contract and or service it provides as it sees fit. You shouldn't be mad at Verizon for exercising power under the contract you signed.

That is the dumbest logic I have ever heard.

My gym membership, for which I signed a contract,has a clause that can revoke my membership whenever they want to. If I walk into the gym tomorrow and they tell me my membership has been revoked since they don't like the way I look, I shouldn't be upset since it has that clause in the contract? The reasoning behind Verizon's decision will clearly impact my determination of whether or not I'm mad at the situation. Clearly it only benefitted their bottom line, likely significantly.

Anyone with a brain can see this is obviously a very anti-consumer move which will cause significant backlash by VZW customers. And you're telling me I don't have a right to be upset because I signed my signature at some interval of time ago? Go read a book
 
This is definitely a long time coming and will make it much easier for consumers as their buying options will be the same whether they shop at an Apple Store or directly at Verizon. Since previously Verizon didn't allow 2yr in their stores but allowed them to be done at an Apple Store
They still play some games with device payment plans by offering credits and so forth that stretch out over a 2-year period to make it all similar to the subsidized model.
 
This is part of why upgrade cycles are getting longer. People are going to hold on to their phone until they really feel like it's not doing what they need it to do anymore. Before it was "hey why not, I'm paying for it anyhow"
 
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This is pretty ridiculous. It's obviously an anti-consumer move, so I don't think Verizon was exactly expecting this to delight anybody.

However, for them to just abruptly announce this on a Thursday afternoon is complete BS. People have been paying these monthly rates for 2 years or more to receive subsidized prices on phones. For them to just revoke upgrades, which is essentially considered a $450 credit for a consumer, without any sort of warning is utterly ridiculous and incredibly greedy.

I expect there will be significant backlash tomorrow which may force them adjust this policy to at least make this a little more fair for existing customers who had upgrades on their accounts. My family would have had 2 upgrades on our account by the end of this month; essentially a $900 credit toward new phones gone with no warning whatsoever.

As someone else said, it's silly to stay on these GF plans now. Will be switching to one of the new plans next week.

I'm not trying to be mean, but you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
That is the dumbest logic I have ever heard.

My gym membership, for which I signed a contract,has a clause that can revoke my membership whenever they want to. If I walk into the gym tomorrow and they tell me my membership has been revoked since they don't like the way I look, I shouldn't be upset since it has that clause in the contract?

Anyone with a brain can see this is obviously a very anti-consumer move which will cause significant backlash by VZW customers. And you're telling me I don't have a right to be upset because I signed an obligatory piece of paper? Go read a book
Yes, I think it it illogical to be mad at Verizon for exercising power under the contract you signed and agreed to ahead of time.

You were not forced to sign up with Verizon. You were not forced to sign and agree to the contract if you didn't agree to its terms or didn't understand the terms to begin with. It was your choice. Either you didn't read what you signed, or you assumed that Verizon would not exercise its rights under the contract in a manner that did not benefit you first. Either way, Verizon has done nothing wrong.
 
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This is pretty ridiculous. It's obviously an anti-consumer move, so I don't think Verizon was exactly expecting this to delight anybody.

However, for them to just abruptly announce this on a Thursday afternoon is complete BS. People have been paying these monthly rates for 2 years or more to receive subsidized prices on phones. For them to just revoke upgrades, which is essentially considered a $450 credit for a consumer, without any sort of warning is utterly ridiculous and incredibly greedy.

I expect there will be significant backlash tomorrow which may force them adjust this policy to at least make this a little more fair for existing customers who had upgrades on their accounts. My family would have had 2 upgrades on our account by the end of this month; essentially a $900 credit toward new phones gone with no warning whatsoever.

As someone else said, it's silly to stay on these GF plans now. Will be switching to one of the new plans next week.
The thing is is that you have been and are paying for the current contract that you are on--basically paying off the subsidy you received when you got the subsidized the device that resulted in the contract--not anything toward the next one.
Yes, I think it it illogical to be mad at Verizon for exercising power under the contract you signed and agreed to ahead of time.

You were not forced to sign up with Verizon. You were not forced to sign and agree to the contract if you didn't agree to its terms or didn't understand the terms to begin with. It was your choice. Either you didn't read what you signed, or you assumed that Verizon would not exercise its rights under the contract in a manner that did not benefit you first. Either way, Verizon has done nothing wrong.
It's not even really that, it's that the current contract doesn't really have anything to do with the next one, or whether or not there would be a next one.
 
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This is part of why upgrade cycles are getting longer. People are going to hold on to their phone until they really feel like it's not doing what they need it to do anymore. Before it was "hey why not, I'm paying for it anyhow"
I think the price of the phones is becoming the major impetus for the longer upgrade cycle. Buying a new iPhone is getting closer to $1,000.
 
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That is the dumbest logic I have ever heard.

My gym membership, for which I signed a contract,has a clause that can revoke my membership whenever they want to. If I walk into the gym tomorrow and they tell me my membership has been revoked since they don't like the way I look, I shouldn't be upset since it has that clause in the contract? The reasoning behind Verizon's decision will clearly impact my determination of whether or not I'm mad at the situation. Clearly it only benefitted their bottom line, likely significantly.

Anyone with a brain can see this is obviously a very anti-consumer move which will cause significant backlash by VZW customers. And you're telling me I don't have a right to be upset because I signed my signature at some interval of time ago? Go read a book
It's basically a move to get people off of older plans that Verizon hasn't been offering for some time.
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I think the price of the phones is becoming the major impetus for the longer upgrade cycle. Buying a new iPhone is getting closer to $1,000.
Not so much when they lay it all out in monthly payments that are just $20-some per month, or even better when they offer a credit (applied monthly and stretched out over 2 years) because of a sale or some deal that brings that payment down to something like $10 or even $0 every month.
 
Still fail to understand how this is possible. I've been holding onto an upgrade and pretty upset about losing it. How is paying full price for a phone spread out over two years cheaper than paying up front? For an iPhone 7, I can pay 199.99 today for a two year contract or can sign up for a payment plan of 27.08 monthly paying a total of 650 over 24 months. I could be completely missing something but always saw the doing away with contracts to actually be a greedy move by carriers to not subsidize phones.
Need to add in the extra monthly line access fee to that $199 to see what your real cost is for the device. They charge more for the service to make up the cost difference of giving you a device for $199. So you aren't really only paying $199 for the phone.

And yet, your calling and data plan prices remains just as high as when they subsidized the phones.
Not really. The 2 yr contract plans DID keep the line charge the same after the contract was up **double the cost if you didn't get the subsidized phone**. I changed a few months back because my free bonus data was expiring (1 gb for each phone (2) for two years) Doing the math the new plans were a lot cheaper. The data was cheaper and the line access is 1/2, $20 ea vs $40 each. Even though the contract was up the line charge was still $40 a month to keep the old plan. They were basically continuing "making up the subsidy" for as long as you kept your old already paid for device and plan.
I spoke to a super nice lady for over an hour running through all the different scenarios (and I had already compiled a spreadsheet with the options) and hands down the new plans were cheaper even if you figure in purchasing a new device at some point. So really the new way is better due to how they charge you more for the service with the 2 yr contracts. BTW they were offering free phones a few weeks back if signing up for payments. They would basically credit you the monthly device fee over two years. Not sure if they still have that offer now tho.
 
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The thing is is that you have been and are paying for the current contract that you are on--basically paying off the subsidy you received when you got the subsidized the device that resulted in the contract--not anything toward the next one.
It's not even really that, it's that the current contract doesn't really have anything to do with the next one, or whether or not there would be a next one.
In my opinion, not being under contract gives the consumer more freedom to change carriers, if the service is not to their liking etc.

Some may be mad at losing some accrued benefits under an old contract. However, contracts from the carriers are written to protect and empower them to make changes as they will. I think a lot of people forget that.
 
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The thing is is that you have been and are paying for the current contract that you are on--basically paying off the subsidy you received when you got the subsidized the device that resulted in the contract--not anything toward the next one.
It's not even really that, it's that the current contract doesn't really have anything to do with the next one, or whether or not there would be a next one.

Verizon Data Plans (new, non-grandfathered plans) have been significantly cheaper than most Grandfathered plans, for say a family of 4, for a long period of time. My only reason I remained on the more expensive More Everyrhing plan was to receive $450 subsidies every 2 years on each line.

With this move, my increased monthly payments I was making to continue receiving the subsidies was all for nothing as they just eliminated $450 subsidies out of the blue. I understand the $450 is not earned when signing a new contract. However I have basically paid for that $450 subsidy by making monthly payments over the last 2 years and didn't switch to a Verizon Data Plab (cheaper) for that very reason.
 
Need to add in the extra monthly line access fee to that $199 to see what your real cost is for the device. They charge more for the service to make up the cost difference of giving you a device for $199. So you aren't really only paying $199 for the phone.

Not really. The 2 yr contract plans DID keep the line charge the same after the contract was up **double the cost if you didn't get the subsidized phone**. I changed a few months back because my free bonus data was expiring (1 gb for each phone (2) for two years) Doing the math the new plans were a lot cheaper. The data was cheaper and the line access is 1/2, $20 ea vs $40 each. Even though the contract was up the line charge was still $40 a month to keep the old plan. They were basically continuing "making up the subsidy" for as long as you kept your old already paid for device and plan.
I spoke to a super nice lady for over an hour running through all the different scenarios (and I had already compiled a spreadsheet with the options) and hands down the new plans were cheaper even if you figure in purchasing a new device at some point. So really the new way is better due to how they charge you more for the service with the 2 yr contracts. BTW they were offering free phones a few weeks back if signing up for payments. They would basically credit you the monthly device fee over two years. Not sure if they still have that offer now tho.
Exactly.
 
Yes, I think it it illogical to be mad at Verizon for exercising power under the contract you signed and agreed to ahead of time.

You were not forced to sign up with Verizon. You were not forced to sign and agree to the contract if you didn't agree to its terms or didn't understand the terms to begin with. It was your choice. Either you didn't read what you signed, or you assumed that Verizon would not exercise its rights under the contract in a manner that did not benefit you first. Either way, Verizon has done nothing wrong.
You'd be a great CEO
 
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In my opinion, not being under contract gives the consumer more freedom to change carrier,s if the service is not to their liking etc.

Some may be mad at losing some accrued benefits under an old contract. However, contracts from the carriers are written to protect and empower them to make changes as they will. I think a lot of people forget that.
Well, it also kind of depends. With contracts you had that lock-in for 2-years, and similarly you can have it now with device payment plans that are also stretched out over a 2 year period. It's not really the same kind of lock-in, but still money due if you leave essentially (and especially so if you get things on a sale where monthly credits over a 2-year period are applied and wouldn't benefit you if you left earlier). There are certainly differences, but understand the details of all of these things it's not really any harder or easier to leave than it was before as far as somehow not owing money for the subsidy that hasn't been paid off, or the remainder of the device payment plan, or having already spent the full price originally.
 
And yet, your calling and data plan prices remains just as high as when they subsidized the phones.
No that's not correct, when you change to a monthly payment plan (or bring your own phone to the game) Verizon issues you a credit off of your monthly per-line data fee, where the amount of the credit varies by the size of your plan. In my case, each line on a payment plan is credited $25, dropping each line's data from $40 to $15/month.
 
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Verizon Data Plans (new, non-grandfathered plans) have been significantly cheaper than most Grandfathered plans, for say a family of 4, for a long period of time. My only reason I remained on the more expensive More Everyrhing plan was to receive $450 subsidies every 2 years on each line.

With this move, my increased monthly payments I was making to continue receiving the subsidies was all for nothing as they just eliminated $450 subsidies out of the blue. I understand the $450 is not earned when signing a new contract. However I have basically paid for that $450 subsidy by making monthly payments over the last 2 years and didn't switch to a Verizon Data Plab (cheaper) for that very reason.
But you got those subsidies on the devices you received in return for the 2-year contract. Basically the last time you upgraded with a cheaper subsidized phone you were paying off that subsidy over the next 2 years. You weren't paying to get the next subsidy after 2 years, you were paying back for the subsidy you got when you got the cheaper phone and got on the 2-year contract.

Furthermore, the More Everything plans are actually not like the older grandfathered plans, you were able to pay less per month on that plan when you had your own devices on it or devices that are on a device payment plan, only the subsidized devices would result in the full $40/month line fees.
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No that's not correct, when you change to a monthly payment plan (or bring your own phone to the game) Verizon issues you a credit off of your monthly per-line data fee, where the amount of the credit varies by the size of your plan.
That's basically how it was/is on the recent Everything and More Everything plans, on the current Verizon plans it's essentially even simpler than that: you pay $20/month for a device that is either yours or is on a device payment plan, or you pay $40/month for a subsidized device (under a 2-year contract essentially).
 
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Not surprised to see this happen. Wonder if/when they will revoke older plans with unlimited data.

I switched a couple of years from an old unlimited plan with a finite number of minutes and texts to one with limited data and kept my old plan with the limited texts and data. After that contract ran out I switched to one of their new plans with 6gb of data and unlimited minutes and texts. I saved less than a dollar doing this, but it was worth it because data rolls over and I don't have to monitor my minutes like a hawk.

My phone stopped working one day so I went back to an older phone which ended up being very painful as it was very slow and the battery barely lasted. I did pile up a bunch of rollover data during that time, though.

I was bidding on used phones on Ebay and not having any luck winning auctions. Finally I decided to stop the madness and just purchase a phone outright. I got last year's model brand new for about $500 less than this year's. Switched the sim myself so no activation charge. Verizon was still pushing me to use my available upgrade on the line, but I never bit. I almost bought a Pixel XL which was pretty dramatically discounted (I think $20 off a month) around Christmas but I had second thoughts and then the offer went away.

I think that Tmobile knows that most people don't use that much data (I would be curious to see the numbers), but telling people it's unlimited will rope more in (kind of like all you can eat buffets). And their video quality is lower and tethering is at a slower speed. Forget that.
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No that's not correct, when you change to a monthly payment plan (or bring your own phone to the game) Verizon issues you a credit off of your monthly per-line data fee, where the amount of the credit varies by the size of your plan.

It drops from $40 to $20. Also happens when you finish out your contract but don't get a new subsidized device (which is not possible anymore, anyway).
 
That is the dumbest logic I have ever heard.

My gym membership, for which I signed a contract,has a clause that can revoke my membership whenever they want to. If I walk into the gym tomorrow and they tell me my membership has been revoked since they don't like the way I look, I shouldn't be upset since it has that clause in the contract? The reasoning behind Verizon's decision will clearly impact my determination of whether or not I'm mad at the situation. Clearly it only benefitted their bottom line, likely significantly.

Anyone with a brain can see this is obviously a very anti-consumer move which will cause significant backlash by VZW customers. And you're telling me I don't have a right to be upset because I signed my signature at some interval of time ago? Go read a book
Except your "contract" is over after 2 years. Once it has been fulfilled they have every right to change the terms going forward. That's the part some are missing.

This is part of why upgrade cycles are getting longer. People are going to hold on to their phone until they really feel like it's not doing what they need it to do anymore. Before it was "hey why not, I'm paying for it anyhow"
Exactly, if you kept the same device past the two years once the contract was up, AND kept paying for the inflated service plan you were losing out. So may as well get new device for cheap.

Verizon Data Plans (new, non-grandfathered plans) have been significantly cheaper than most Grandfathered plans, for say a family of 4, for a long period of time. My only reason I remained on the more expensive More Everyrhing plan was to receive $450 subsidies every 2 years on each line.

With this move, my increased monthly payments I was making to continue receiving the subsidies was all for nothing as they just eliminated $450 subsidies out of the blue. I understand the $450 is not earned when signing a new contract. However I have basically paid for that $450 subsidy by making monthly payments over the last 2 years and didn't switch to a Verizon Data Plab (cheaper) for that very reason.
Do the math and you will see that $450 is sorta still there. You are paying double line charge and more for data to get that discount. So you pay $20 a month more for a line access for 24 months so that is $480. Not including the additional cost for data.
 
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And yet, your calling and data plan prices remains just as high as when they subsidized the phones.

Not for everybody. I was paying slightly over $130.00 a month with AT&T when I first got my subsidized iPhone and had a plan that allowed for tethering and had an adequate amount of data, SMS messages and talk time.

I now pay less than $60.00 a month for my plan. If I upgrade my phone it rises to slightly above $90.00 while paying the phone off then drops down again after the phone is paid off.

The phone is financed through AT&T at 0% interest and can be paid off in full anytime. I don't have to pay the full cost of a new phone because when I upgrade I sell my old device and the $150 - $300 that brings back (depending on the model and it's condition) reduces the price of the new phone.

You just need to look at your usage, look at the various plans out there and the coverage available in your area then decide which provider and plan is right for you. The longer you go between upgrades the more money you save. I upgrade every 2 - 3 years.

The savings have been significant! Especially when I can go a third year without upgrading the phone.
 
But you got those subsidies on the devices you received in return for the 2-year contract. Basically the last time you upgraded with a cheaper subsidized phone you were paying off that subsidy over the next 2 years. You weren't paying to get the next subsidy after 2 years, you were paying back for the subsidy you got when you got the cheaper phone and got on the 2-year contract.

Furthermore, the More Everything plans are actually not like the older grandfathered plans, you were able to pay less per month on that plan when you had your own devices on it or devices that are on a device payment plan, only the subsidized devices would result in the full $40/month line fees.
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On the current plans it's essentially even simpler than that, you pay $20/month for a device that is either yours or is on a device payment plan, or you pay $40/month for a subsidized device (under a 2-year contract essentially).

I get where you're coming from and nothing you're saying is wrong. But for the last 2 years at least I've remained on the More Everything plab, and paid something like $80 more versus a comparable Verizon XL plan, in order to receive these subsidies. I would've switched 2 years ago since they're so much cheaper, but after accounting for the $450 subsidies the new plans came out more expensive than More Everything plans when looking at the total dollars I was paying Verizon over those 2 years(not surprising, they switched to a model which made them more money).

By Verizon doing this out of the blue, all those increased $80 monthly payments over the last 2 years were for absolutely no reason. In my situation, which I agree is pretty specific, this ended up screwing me pretty bad. Yesterday I had 2 different lines for which I was eligible to upgrade to an iPhone for $200. Today it's $650.
 
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I get where you're coming from and nothing you're saying is wrong. But for the last 2 years at least I've remained on the More Everything plab, and paid something like $80 more versus a comparable Verizon XL plan, in order to receive these subsidies. I would've switched 2 years ago since they're so much cheaper, but after accounting for the $450 subsidies the new plans came out more expensive than More Everything plans when looking at the total dollars I was paying Verizon over those 2 years(not surprising, they switched to a model which made them more money).

By Verizon doing this out of the blue, all those increased $80 monthly payments over the last 2 years were for absolutely no reason. In my situation, which I agree is pretty specific, this ended up screwing me pretty bad. Yesterday I had 2 different lines for which I was eligible to upgrade to an iPhone for $200. Today it's $650.
Are you saying you were paying more for the last 2 years without getting subsided devices 2 years ago (and getting on 2-year contracts at that point)? Basically your last contracts ran out 2 years ago and you didn't renew but kept on paying the higher line access fees (that apply to lines with contracts and subsidized devices) waiting to upgrade at some point?
 
Do the math and you will see that $450 is sorta still there. You are paying double line charge and more for data to get that discount. So you pay $20 a month more for a line access for 24 months so that is $480. Not including the additional cost for data.

In my scenario I did the numbers 2 years ago and the cost of my total cell phone ownership over 2 years came out cheaper on the More Everyrhing Plan versus a Verizon XL plan, as it would for a large percentage of their customers. They switched to a business model that ends up costing consumers more over a 2 year term. Do you really think they switched off 2 year terms to make less money?
 
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