Verizon iPhone, No Thanks!

cababah

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I read that CDMA radios that VZW uses prevents you from using data while on a call..is this true? Umm I hate to say it but that kind of kills any of the appeal of their devices for me. I constantly use data while on a call to reference something or e-mail, check a web page..talk about a deal breaker if true.

Sorry for another one of these threads but I think this is a big issue. Much more than an "annoyance" IMO.

I also got a chance to mess around with a DROID at a VZW store in Newport over the weekend and I was not impressed whatsoever. I am not blindly bagging on the device I went into the hands-on with high hopes after everything I read. I hope tons of people from AT&T flock to VZW and free up some of the network strain.
 

nateo200

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Keep drinking that kool-aid OP...I just checked kutnthe droid, awesome phone IMO. loved every bit of it. Only thing I hate is the physical keyboard, prefer the iPhones virtual one. Gonna pick one up this week.
 
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samab

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If you read all the pro-Apple journalists who trash all the Verizon iphone killers --- like Mossberg on the LG Voyager, on the RIM Storm, on the Droid...

None of them trashed this supposed technical weakness.

Therefore, it is a largely academic issue driven in fanboi discussions.
 
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cababah

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Keep drinking that kool-aid OP...I just checked kutnthe droid, awesome phone IMO. loved every bit of it. Only thing I hate is the physical keyboard, prefer the iPhones virtual one. Gonna pick one up this week.
Okay so because I prefer the iPhone (after checking out the droid in person) I am drinking the apple kool-aid, but if you dump the iphone and flock to droid, you are wise, enlightened, seeing the light, etc???:rolleyes:
 
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alphaod

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If you read all the pro-Apple journalists who trash all the Verizon iphone killers --- like Mossberg on the LG Voyager, on the RIM Storm, on the Droid...

None of them trashed this supposed technical weakness.

Therefore, it is a largely academic issue driven in fanboi discussions.
The Storm is crappy. If you ever use the Storm for a few months you'll have issues like dust under the screen and the terrible memory issues.
 
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PhxBlue

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If you truly do simultaneous data and voice frequently then Verizon is going to be an issue for you regardless the device.
 
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aristotle

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If you truly do simultaneous data and voice frequently then Verizon is going to be an issue for you regardless the device.
Yes, this is a limitation of EVDO (CDMA). One possible use case would be to answer a call and while on the call, try to look up information online. You could do that with an iPhone using safari but not on a "multi-tasking" Palm Pre or a Droid on Verizon or Sprint.
 
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Hankster

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To clarify the incorrect information in this thread:

The rumors and leaks are stating that Apple is working on an iPhone for Verizon's LTE network. The LTE network is the 4G network which has been in the works for over a year. My neighbor works for their corporate office in DC as an attorney and told me last year before I even thought of anyone working on 4G.

Companies are not stupid, they are years ahead of consumers. So, again...IF there is an iPhone on Verizon it is NOT the current iPhone but a new one make specific for Verizon's 4G network.
 
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nehunte

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Yes, this is a limitation of EVDO (CDMA). One possible use case would be to answer a call and while on the call, try to look up information online. You could do that with an iPhone using safari but not on a "multi-tasking" Palm Pre or a Droid on Verizon or Sprint.
That is unless you're using Google Voice on the Palm Pre. Then all is good.
 
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sidewinder

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Simultaneous voice and data is a big deal to people that actually use it. I do all the time. If you don't, don't call someone a fanboi because they do and they find the issue to be a major problem.

When I am on a call, I need to get my push notifications for email. Sometimes I need to read emails while on a call.

If I had a Droid, I would not be able to talk on the phone and use the Google navigation app. That's bad too.

The Droid, like the iPhone, is not perfect. Jeez....

S-
 
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RexTraverse

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So, again...IF there is an iPhone on Verizon it is NOT the current iPhone but a new one make specific for Verizon's 4G network.
Well, an LTE iPhone is a no brainer since practically every one of Apple's current iPhone partners will transition to LTE.

But just because Verizon is moving to LTE as well means jack squat because LTE is not gonna have the breadth of coverage, at least initially. Just like the current iPhone can fall back to EDGE or (God help us) GPRS when the HSDPA 3G signal goes out, any Verizon iPhone for their LTE network would still need a different antenna for EV-DO and CDMA2000.
 
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nehunte

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Well, an LTE iPhone is a no brainer since practically every one of Apple's current iPhone partners will transition to LTE.

But just because Verizon is moving to LTE as well means jack squat because LTE is not gonna have the breadth of coverage, at least initially. Just like the current iPhone can fall back to EDGE or (God help us) GPRS when the HSDPA 3G signal goes out, any Verizon iPhone for their LTE network would still need a different antenna for EV-DO and CDMA2000.
While I have no actual documented proof of this as of yet, I've heard from some of the Verizon Service Technicians that they are prepping their network by adding LTE to all of their towers before they make the switchover. They're still going to run the test markets to test how it's going to work, but will prep their entire network for the rollout. Then, when they decide to roll it out nationwide, all they have to do is flip a switch and they have the exact same 4G network coverage as they did with 3G.

Like I said, no documented proof but if you look at what Verizon has done with their network over the past years, it wouldn't surprise me that they would do this. Hopefully some actual proof of this will surface at some point so I can post it. Also, some of the AT&T reps have said that they know Verizon is doing this, if that somewhat solidifies the story for anybody.
 
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kdarling

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I read that CDMA radios that VZW uses prevents you from using data while on a call..is this true?
Yes, unless you're using Skype or some other VoIP caller.

The first iPhone was, of course, in the same situation because of EDGE. Ditto for any iPhone that's outside of the ATT 3G service area, or cannot get a 3G connection for other reasons.

One reason why ATT has dropped call and 3G data problems is because of the combined usage. Add more voice and/or data users to a 3G cell, and it breathes in, with both forced and inadvertent user drops. (Remember the 3G iPhone 2.0 OS that caused this to happen even more than usual?)

Verizon kept voice and data separate so that one cannot hurt the other. No matter how many people are using data, it won't cause voice calls to drop, and vice versa.

I constantly use data while on a call to reference something or e-mail, check a web page..talk about a deal breaker if true.
Some prefer having solid voice or data instead, but if it's a deal breaker for you, then sure, stay with ATT.

Longterm, LTE will remove the impediment, my own suspicion is that Verizon might also implement the new SVDO (simultaneous voice and EVDO) standard this summer, in order to support a new World iPhone with combination GSM + CDMA.

I also got a chance to mess around with a DROID at a VZW store in Newport over the weekend and I found myself desperately looking for a place to wash my hands after because that thing is a piece of s***.
FYI: Comments like that do not lend weight to your opinions, but instead make you look like a rabid fanboy. Same for people who use Microsloth, Snapple, WinBlows or other childish slang.
 
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NJMetsHero

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Isn't the point of a phone to be able to make the call in the first place? What good is being able to use data while on a call if the call is dropped?
 
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TheSpaz

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Isn't the point of a phone to be able to make the call in the first place? What good is being able to use data while on a call if the call is dropped?
I've only ever had 1 dropped call in my lifetime on AT&T and AT&T/Cingular is the only cell carrier I've ever used.

By the way... the Droid is nice. Feels heavy duty and the interface is neat.
 
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Hankster

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Isn't the point of a phone to be able to make the call in the first place? What good is being able to use data while on a call if the call is dropped?
It depends on the user. Many people have smart phones for messages and data over phone. I use my smart phones for messages and Twitter about 75% of the time, phone calls would probably fill up only 15-20% of my usage.
 
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aristotle

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That is unless you're using Google Voice on the Palm Pre. Then all is good.
Well I suppose if you have already resigned yourself to a phone that only works in the US, then I guess you can also limit yourself to a VOIP service that also only works for US residents.
:p
But the fact remains that you are trying to defend CDMA carriers over an inherent problem with the CDMA network topology that no phone can fix.
 
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iMAVERICKam

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Companies are not stupid, they are years ahead of consumers. So, again...IF there is an iPhone on Verizon it is NOT the current iPhone but a new one make specific for Verizon's 4G network.
No US cell company has ever been "years ahead of consumers."
 
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cababah

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I guess this isn't a problem for people who are on Edge all the time but 95% of the time I am outside in my area, I am on 3G. I would not have got an iPhone 3G or any 3G phone for that matter if my area did not have coverage.

If I am on a call with someone and they ask me a question I could look up on the internet or any sort of information, I would hate to have to say "Sorry, let me call you right back so I can look that up." Someone mentioned earlier that is true "multi-tasking."

I don't always use the internet to give information to people while on a phone call but it is also a great way to pass time if you are bored and waiting on one of those "Your call will be answered in the order it was received" type of deals. I agree with an above poster that a dumbphone is used 90% as a phone. If you use your smartphone 90% as purely a phone, then you wasted your money.
 
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