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Yeah, in my book the iPhone is still a weak smartphone. Mostly due to the closed nature of the OS.

Don't get me wrong, it's finally starting to do a lot of things I want, but there is still this lack of freedom that was there with Palm and WinMo.
 
I used to be a total Palm fanboy. It's so sad that they couldn't keep up.

Gotta agree here. They have a real gem on their hands with webOS; I think it's a thousand times better then iOS or whatever RIM uses, but the hardware just isn't doing it justice. Hopefully HP will change that soon, and they'll be gaining marketshare again. I'd really hate to see webOS disappear into nothing, I really love my Palmn Pixi to death, there's just a few things about the hardware that need updating.

That is, if the iPhone doesn't kill everything else first, the way people are talking. I don't want to have a choice between an iPhone and a non-smartphone, and I hope it never comes to this. That would be a sad, sad day.:(
 
Once the iphone is available on other networks in 2012, the iphone will dominate the US market. Anyone who wants a smart phone, wants the original; the iphone. Some refuse to admit it though.

I don't agree. The iPhone is never going to dominate the business (i.e. ENTERPRISE, not just a bunch of nerds who whine to their bosses to let them buy it) space. Without that space, it will never dominate "The market". Smart IT wants control over the devices and security requirements render the iPhone null and void in that arena compared to any BlackBerry.


They refuse to admit it because they are invested in other products. If you just spent $200 on android and are are tied down for 2 years, it would be hard for you to admit that iPhone is popular and the best all-around phone.

It's not the best "all-around" phone. It's a toy. A gadget. Something that lets you pass time.

Email: BlackBerry is superior.
Multi-tasking: WebOS is superior.
Flexibility: WebOS and Android are superior.
Customizability: Android is superior.
Web: Android and WebOS are superior.
Standards: Android is superior.
Security: BlackBerry is superior.
Battery life: Android is right up there with iOS.

iPhone does two things better than the competition: iTunes (music, movies etc) and games. For one who doesn't care about either of those the iPhone is a waste of money. It's also on a crappy network which doesn't help its case any.


It is all how you define a smart phone. The iphone was the original smart phone in my opinion. The razor was not a smart phone.

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I would argue that the first mass-market smartphone was the Palm Treo.

This. Anyone who says the iPhone was the "original smart phone" is either too young to know the truth or too blind to accept it. Palm. If not for Palm, the term "smartphone" would not have existed. Pioneers of the term, they were. Them along with Denso, to a lesser degree, paved the way for today's smartphones.
 
This. Anyone who says the iPhone was the "original smart phone" is either too young to know the truth or too blind to accept it. Palm. If not for Palm, the term "smartphone" would not have existed. Pioneers of the term, they were. Them along with Denso, to a lesser degree, paved the way for today's smartphones.

Agreed, I always wanted my PDA and phone in one device. Palm finally did that for me.
 
Well I disagree with Steve Jobs then. In my opinion the phones prior to the iphone were no where near being smart phones.

I rarely post on this forum. I have a life. But you are probably the biggest idiot I've ever come across. Sorry someone had to say it. Either you are 12 years old and milking you parents purse strings in hopes of finding your identity via a mobile phone, or you are severely mentally challenged.

Or both.
 
Once the iphone is available on other networks in 2012, the iphone will dominate the US market. Anyone who wants a smart phone, wants the original; the iphone. Some refuse to admit it though.

I guess you missed the news last week that stated over 300,000 Android handsets are activated daily. Obviously that's a global number but if you think the iPhone will dominate when Android has such impressive ever-increasing sales numbers then you are extremely short-sighted.
 
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This. Anyone who says the iPhone was the "original smart phone" is either too young to know the truth or too blind to accept it. Palm. If not for Palm, the term "smartphone" would not have existed. Pioneers of the term, they were. Them along with Denso, to a lesser degree, paved the way for today's smartphones.

Palm created the term but too soon.

I rarely post on this forum. I have a life. But you are probably the biggest idiot I've ever come across. Sorry someone had to say it. Either you are 12 years old and milking you parents purse strings in hopes of finding your identity via a mobile phone, or you are severely mentally challenged.

Or both.

LOL - you broke the silence for that? Get a life.


I guess you missed the news last week that stated over 300,000 Android handsets are activated daily. Obviously that's a global number but if you think the iPhone will dominate when Android has such impressive ever-increasing sales numbers then you are extremely short-sighted.

I saw it. My comment was about "after" iphone is available on other markets, not last week.


Agreed, I always wanted my PDA and phone in one device. Palm finally did that for me.

And that was cool. Except for the stylus.
 
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Like that was Palm's fault? That was what technology allowed back then. Stop comparing 10 year old phones with the iPhone, it's a completely bogus, incorrect comparison.

LOL - Exactly. It isn't Palm's fault that I don't consider those older phones to be smart phones. It is what they had available to them. The iphone came about in an era when iphones could exist. Not so for the older phones.

The comparison is valid in my opinion.

I'm not offended that you disagree. We all have our opinions. I just find it humorous being told my opinion isn't valid or especially being called 12 years old because my opinion is different (not by you). Heaven forbid that I don't conform... LOL
 
Palm created the term but too soon.

:confused::confused::confused:They created the word "smartphone" too soon?
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Are you 'avin' a laugh?

How can you create something too soon? If you think they created the term then you have to go with what they created it for!

Some day you will just have to come to the conclusion that there were smartphones long before 2007. If you don't like them compared to the smartphones of 2010, fine. No matter how lame 10 year old smartphones seem to you now, they did exist before the iPhone and they were indeed smartphones (a term that is used to compare them to simple or basic feature phones.Today the term would be used to compare an iPhone or Android phone to something like a John’s Phone)

Arguably they began in 1992 with the Simon, the term Smart phone was first used in 1997 by Ericsson and in those 10 years there were many smartphones which Apple used as a basis to create their own device.

I would argue that the iPhone wasn't really a "smartphone" until iPhone OS 3. You could not "Cut and Paste" before that. That isn't very "smart"! The iPhone before that was just a really cool phone with Music and Games that had some smart features. Maybe iPhone OS 2 would be a better cut off (with the introduction of Push email)

The comparison is valid in my opinion.

You are comparing mobile phones separated by 10 years. With the speed of evolution in technology, you shouldn't really compare phones from 10 months ago difference in age. Doesn't say much about your opinion.

Has any company used a stylus in the past few years? For any device?
 
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I would argue that the iPhone wasn't a smartphone until iPhone OS 3. You could not Cut and Paste before that. That isn't very smart!

I thought this argument died when it took Android longer to come up with a worse implementation.
 
I thought this argument died when it took Android longer to come up with a worse implementation.

It's a zombie argument sent to fight the idiotic argument that the original iPhone was the first "smartphone." :D
 
I guess that Verizon wants a large piece of the app store action and perhaps V branding on the device (That red check mark thing) and Apple said "No"

Apple said no to a hell of a lot of stuff. Being able to introduce the first LTE-enabled PDA is also a bit of a coup.
 
It's a zombie argument sent to fight the idiotic argument that the original iPhone was the first "smartphone." :D

Yeah, but that whole argument is semantics. ten-oak-druid is basically trying to say that the iPhone is the first in the current generation of smartphones. He or she is just saying it poorly.
 
I don't agree. We have mostly iphones in our business, and some others like Android's, and very few Palm devices. No Blackberrys due to the cost of their BES + addtional server hardware just to support BES was just not worth it when you can use the built in feature with Exchange 2003 or newer (we have 2010). It works just fine. The iphones have been the most STABLE phone in our company. We have users who have had them for 3 years now, while some of the Android phones and Windows phones have died or having constant problems where they are requiring to be replaced by the Phone company.

I made my comments below. Sounds to me you hate the iphone. Why are you here then?

I don't agree. The iPhone is never going to dominate the business (i.e. ENTERPRISE, not just a bunch of nerds who whine to their bosses to let them buy it) space. Without that space, it will never dominate "The market". Smart IT wants control over the devices and security requirements render the iPhone null and void in that arena compared to any BlackBerry.




It's not the best "all-around" phone. It's a toy. A gadget. Something that lets you pass time.

Email: BlackBerry is superior. (No way, iphone interface for emails works way better and so does Android vs any BB device)
Multi-tasking: WebOS is superior.
Flexibility: WebOS and Android are superior. (To a point. They are very buggy and have issues with battery drain due to apps not setup properly)
Customizability: Android is superior.
Web: Android and WebOS are superior. (Not even close, iphone has one of the best even over my EVO 4G)
Standards: Android is superior. (Not sure what you are getting at here)
Security: BlackBerry is superior. (Not anymore, as others have caught up in this area)
Battery life: Android is right up there with iOS. (Android is NOT EVEN CLOSE PERIOD. Every staff member that has a Android device here complains about the battery life while the iphones all easily out last them)

iPhone does two things better than the competition: iTunes (music, movies etc) and games. For one who doesn't care about either of those the iPhone is a waste of money. It's also on a crappy network which doesn't help its case any.






This. Anyone who says the iPhone was the "original smart phone" is either too young to know the truth or too blind to accept it. Palm. If not for Palm, the term "smartphone" would not have existed. Pioneers of the term, they were. Them along with Denso, to a lesser degree, paved the way for today's smartphones.
 
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I don't agree. We have mostly iphones in our business, and some others like Android's, and very few Palm devices. No Blackberrys due to the cost of their BES + addtional server hardware just to support BES was just not worth it when you can use the built in feature with Exchange 2003 or newer (we have 2010). It works just fine. The iphones have been the most STABLE phone in our company. We have users who have had them for 3 years now, while some of the Android phones and Windows phones have died or having constant problems where they are requiring to be replaced by the Phone company.

I made my comments below. Sounds to me you hate the iphone. Why are you here then?

Why is it when someone says something factual, yet negative, about the iPhone, it's equated to hatred of the device? Why are people so hell bent on avoiding reality?

I am a realist. I acknowledge the strengths and shortcomings of every device, iPhone included. You conveniently ignored the latter sentence where I acknowledged the iPhone's true strengths. Now, let's go down the list.

Email: Dude, I'm not talking interface. I'm talking all-around email management. It's a scary fact, but one you must accept: BlackBerries have no peer when it comes to email. Everyone knows that. It's not just about being able to access company email. It's what you can do with it once it's accessed.

On a BlackBerry, I can:
  • Access enterprise company directories from Exchange.
  • Retrieve old and even archived emails from the BlackBerry.
  • Set autoresponders that are synced back to the BES server and subsequently Exchange.
  • Purge emails remotely as an IT manager (this is HUGE for people who care about security for terminated employees)
  • Separate up-and-downtime from ActiveSync users; Things that affect ActiveSync users do not affect BES users because BES is directly connected to Exchange. ActiveSync is a pull transaction that may or may not work.

Flexibility: WebOS is no more buggy than Android and quite frankly, I've only ran into one app that seemed to have bugs: Best Buy. Beyond that my Fascinate is significantly more stable than almost every other phone - and believe me, I've used a LOT of phones over the years in search of one that could unseat the Palm Pre.

Additionally, let's not fool ourselves into thinking iOS is somehow magically more stable than the others; especially since some people can't even get the camera to function properly.

Web: When your iPhone can handle Flash, I will give it fair due. May be an aging technology, may need to go away, but it's here now. That means devices need to support it until it dies, period. Also, any page that is text heavy is an absolute PAIN to navigate on iOS devices; the Android's browser, on the other hand, reorients the text so that it fits in the visible area automatically when you zoom it. Such a small yet powerful feature.

Standards: On an Android, I have yet to run across a site that doesn't work. On the iPhone, it's a crapshoot whether I will find a site that is formatted properly, and if it's not formatted properly, it's a pain to futz with the zooming and scrolling to read the stuff on the page because it doesn't support protocols. There are times when because a javascript has loaded that the iPhone doesn't like, it won't even render the text at all.

Security: BS. Name one other operating system that has remote deletion AND domain joining AND encryption capabilities AND app control AND internet brower control AND certificate control AND group policy. There are none. Laughable to even imply that the iPhone can hold the BB's jock on this one.

Battery life: A friend is a casual iPhone user, text every now and then, browse most often, doesn't use it for streaming or anything else. He's lucky to get a day and a half of juice out of it. That's about the same my iPod Touch 4G gets, ironically.

My Fascinate, on the other hand, can go at least 2 days without needing to be charged. That's web browsing, news, weather, music streaming, calls, push email from two accounts, texts, voice searches and animated wallpapers.

There will have to come a point when you acknowledge the weaknesses of the iPhone. It's not the g0dphone you make it out to be. People who want to play around? Sure. It's probably the #1 recommendation I make for those people. But people who need to get stuff done and the most TRULY business-oriented (i.e. no time for games, no music, no movies, don't play on the device during work hours) are not using iPhones. The top sales rep in my company uses a BlackBerry Curve. His boss uses a BlackBerry Curve. HIS boss uses a BlackBerry Curve. I use a Fascinate. Company phone is the Vibrant (T-mobile) and people love it. We have one iPhone user. He swears by it, but he's a gamer. He downloads stupid apps like that one that contorts photos so he can show people and have fun with it.
 
... But people who need to get stuff done and the most TRULY business-oriented (i.e. no time for games, no music, no movies, don't play on the device during work hours) are not using iPhones. The top sales rep in my company uses a BlackBerry Curve. His boss uses a BlackBerry Curve. HIS boss uses a BlackBerry Curve...

Most of my company uses BlackBerrys (mostly Curves, but there are some Bolds and Tours in the mix)

If they are for people who don't have time for games, music, etc. then why are there game, music players, cameras, preloaded facebook, football, etc. apps and other non-business things on the BlackBerry?

I'm not disagreeing with your points, BB is the king of mobile eMail (Apple needs to do a lot of work under the hood to even come close!) I'm just saying that most of the people I see using BlackBerrys (which I support for my company, but I do see others outside of work) are goofing around with them.
 
Poor Windows Phone 7 it doesn't even get a mention :(, it's about a thousand times better than Android and Blackberry's mobile operating system offerings in my opinion.
 
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