It's silly that Verizon thinks logos aren't a major issue. I'm looking at my Droid X and there are VZW logos on the front and back- as I'm sure with many of my past phones. I've always known VZW to brand their phones and pre-install crummy software. We all know apple would never compromise on either of those things. That's what makes the iPhone and all over Apple products as sleek as they are. It was only not a major issue because if they wanted the phone, they were going to play ball.
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There needs to be some clarification surrounding the voice/data issue.
You can:
1.) Talk and open your contacts
2.) Talk and read e-mails that you have in your inbox
3.) Talk and browse through the phone, play games that aren't actively transmitting data
4.) Talk and browse the web if you have a Wi-Fi connection. For some this will be many places, the exception being your car (I'd like to see someone browse, talk and drive)
You can't:
1.) Talk and browse the web over 3G.
2.) Talk and play an online game over 3G
In addition:
1.) If you're streaming Pandora/XM/Sirius and a phone call comes in, the call gets priority. Your stream will stop, and the call will ring. Once you hang up the stream will continue.
2.) If you are synching your e-mail, and a call comes in, you will get the call.
3.) If you're playing an online game, you will still get your call.
Calls take priority over data. You won't have calls going to voice mail all day long. You will find this experience to be a non-issue unless you're obsessed with giving friends directions at the same time as you talk with them. That is all.
could not have said it better myself!
I read these revelations as saying, "To everyone who said the iPhone would never come to Verizon, let me show you how totally clueless you are about these things."
Particularly the people spouting that nonsense about logos.
Particularly the people spouting that nonsense about logos.
I'm not sure I would compare the Stock.app to the junkware that comes on many VZW phones.
No logo, no junkware, and all the features up front. The biggest concession for any of these companies is control. Apple just took nearly all control from VZW. Apple now controls the phone, the app store, app billing - potentially the ENTIRE customer experience. The only time a customer needs to deal with VZW from now on is to pay their service bill. End users will now think of themselves as Apple customers before VZW customers (and really who cares who provides service as long as it works for you). This loss of control is a BIG deal to VZW. By cutting them out people will be able to start treating providers as the commodities they are. Competing on HW is no longer an option, it's now a straight competition for service and price. Trust me, VZW was brought kicking and screaming to this conclusion by AT&Ts customer growth.
It's not just AT&T and Verizon Wireless.
Verizon Wireless has watched the rest of the world accept the iPhone under Apple's terms, whether it be the UK, Japan, Australia, Canada, Slovenia, et cetera ad nauseam. The island of Malta has the iPhone.
Apple is nobody's b**ch. Apple calls the shots, not the mobile operators.
Cellular carriers are just dumb pipes to Apple. And guess what? Apple is right.
Not if you look at the Consumer Reports annual cellular customer surveys.
All U.S. mobile operators suck, year in, year out. Verizon is a 37" giant in a land of three-foot midgets. No U.S. cellular carrier can be proud of their customer satisfaction rating.
All U.S. mobile operators suck, year in, year out. Verizon is a 37" giant in a land of three-foot midgets. No U.S. cellular carrier can be proud of their customer satisfaction rating.
You obviously have no clue of what you speak of. I believe it was either Tim Cook or Lowell McAdams who said yesterday they have been working together on a Verizon iPhone since 2008 and spent over a year in testing. Verizon obviously ran their ads after they were working together and during the testing of the Verizon iPhone. And Verizon never mentioned Apple in their ads either. Also during this time Apple released ads right back at Verizon (can your network do this) during the time they were testing a Verizon iPhone. Kdarling is right, and I might add I think you don't have knowledge about how business works. Companies will continue to advertise against each other while working together, right up until they publicly announce their deal together.
It never ceases to amaze me just how uneducated so many members of this forum really are in how Fortune 100 companies conduct ordinary business transactions. You don't really believe any of what you just wrote to be factual for any company, anywhere on this planet, do you?
There needs to be some clarification surrounding the voice/data issue.
You can:
1.) Talk and open your contacts
2.) Talk and read e-mails that you have in your inbox
3.) Talk and browse through the phone, play games that aren't actively transmitting data
4.) Talk and browse the web if you have a Wi-Fi connection. For some this will be many places, the exception being your car (I'd like to see someone browse, talk and drive)
You can't:
1.) Talk and browse the web over 3G.
2.) Talk and play an online game over 3G
In addition:
1.) If you're streaming Pandora/XM/Sirius and a phone call comes in, the call gets priority. Your stream will stop, and the call will ring. Once you hang up the stream will continue.
2.) If you are synching your e-mail, and a call comes in, you will get the call.
3.) If you're playing an online game, you will still get your call.
Calls take priority over data. You won't have calls going to voice mail all day long. You will find this experience to be a non-issue unless you're obsessed with giving friends directions at the same time as you talk with them. That is all.
Very true, I believe this is getting blown out of proportion. It seems like both sides are ready to cry foul at the drop of a hat. Verizon folks saying AT&T has spotty reception, and AT&T folks saying no simultaneous voice/data. In the end, it doesn't matter:
1. Verizon customers happy with Verizon will stick with Verizon and now have the iPhone as an option. They won't miss what the didn't have. I fit in this catergory.
2. AT&T customers happy with AT&T will stick with AT&T and now have an iPhone rival, which only leads to improvement on a carrier they prefer.
3. There are those that are not happy with AT&T or Verizon, they now have the option to switch.
Each has their positives and negatives and it all depends on what you want/need. Really, more people win with Verizon carrying the iPhone, except those who find something to complain about for everything of course. Now, let's all play nice.
I doubt Verizon really cares about that. All Verizon cares about is the fact that AT&T now has just as many subscribers as Verizon, and it's pretty much all on the back of the iPhone--and in spite of AT&T's inferior coverage network. Imagine if, once LTE rolls out, AT&T no longer has the same terrible network it has now? What if it's equal to Verizon's? What would happen then? That's why Verizon wants to get on board with Apple now.
Verizon has been in a long standing bet with AT&T: service trumps hardware. And, to their credit, until the iPhone came along, they were right.
I drive right by Apple HQ on Infinite Loop (on the way to grocery shopping at a Whole Food$ nearby). When I first got an iPhone, I used to see the signal drop from 5 bars to barely 3 bars just as I went by their campus. Thought that was pretty funny for a company that designed cell phones. Or maybe they were doing weak signal testing on those days...
You sound like you skipped your reading assignments on Machiavelli and Orwell.
Apple's and VZW's marketing departments bashed each other because that was their job, to maximize their branding mindshare and quarterly sales. The mid and lower levels of these marketing department are usually not even told about future products too far in advance to help prevent leaks. These public marketing campaigns have little or nothing to do with what top management and advanced research are up to.
There needs to be some clarification surrounding the voice/data issue.
You can:
1.) Talk and open your contacts
2.) Talk and read e-mails that you have in your inbox
3.) Talk and browse through the phone, play games that aren't actively transmitting data
4.) Talk and browse the web if you have a Wi-Fi connection. For some this will be many places, the exception being your car (I'd like to see someone browse, talk and drive)
You can't:
1.) Talk and browse the web over 3G.
2.) Talk and play an online game over 3G
In addition:
1.) If you're streaming Pandora/XM/Sirius and a phone call comes in, the call gets priority. Your stream will stop, and the call will ring. Once you hang up the stream will continue.
2.) If you are synching your e-mail, and a call comes in, you will get the call.
3.) If you're playing an online game, you will still get your call.
Calls take priority over data. You won't have calls going to voice mail all day long. You will find this experience to be a non-issue unless you're obsessed with giving friends directions at the same time as you talk with them. That is all.
Also The CDMA board stated that later this spring/summer they will be allowing Voice and Data over the air at the same time. So really looks like about the biggest difference will be the GSM/CDMA iPhone
I'll go with Man 1 till June. Could be Murder 1 by Jan 12.
http://www.ipodnn.com/articles/11/01/12/barclays.pushes.stock.target.to.420/
What I think is obvious now is that AT&T was crippling their android devices to appease El Jobso. They went from the htc aria, 3.2" screen as their biggest device with bloatware to announcing 3 >= 4" premium android devices at CES.
That makes me wonder if Jobs requested they not release devices with fast chipsets, large touch screens, or a combination thereof. If Jobs knows to be afraid of larger devices, it gives me the small vain hope a larger iPhone could appear in the future.
That makes me wonder if Jobs requested they not release devices with fast chipsets, large touch screens, or a combination thereof. If Jobs knows to be afraid of larger devices, it gives me the small vain hope a larger iPhone could appear in the future.
Good to see verizon is easily bent over now...
Yeah, so bent over they have to share their revenue on iPhone user's with Apple!
Oh wait...that wasn't Verizon was it?
I wondered about that as well. Perhaps it gave them some control to make adjustments on the tower, test the iPhone in different situations/power levels without leaving campus?
That wasn't my experience. I had a 3G flip phone when the 3G network first launched...had all the same call dropping issues as my iPhone. The problem was a lousy migration to WCDMA.
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I have a Verizon Palm Pre Plus. It was FREE with a 2 year contract, so it clearly is 100% subsidized by Verizon.
Only Verizon logo on the phone is on the back of the screen.. only visible when the keyboard is slid out.. and it's grey font on a mirror like surface.. so pretty much invisible.
No 'bloatware', either.. just a VZ Navigator in the menu that I have no idea what it even is.
Verizon has the best nationwide coverage. It's a non debatable point. It's fact. They have the best coverage of any U.S. carrier.
It may not be as fast, but it works.. and working medium speed everywhere you go is far better than not working at all most of the places you go. At least in my book.
Anybody catch The Daily Show last night? Jon Stewart said the only way he could send a text message to Stephen Cobert on his iPhone was to type the message, then have an errand boy take the phone to Cobert so he could read it.
I could care less about being able to surf the web and talk on the phone at the same time. Only time I can imagine that would be of any real use is if you're using the GPS feature that relies on data from the web and a phone call comes in.
I mean, come on.. who are these people that spend their days using their iPhones to give other people directions? Seriously? I'd tell those people to google map search the directions themselves. Who am I? Rand McNally?
When someone calls you and you have to browse the web while talking to them.. there's a word for that.. and the word is DOUCHEBAG.
The inability to do simultaneous voice and data hasn't hurt Verizon's current wide range of smartphones, and I seriously doubt the continued inability to do so will deter a vast number of existing Verizon customers from migrating to the iPhone.
Only Verizon logo on the phone is on the back of the screen.. only visible when the keyboard is slid out.. and it's grey font on a mirror like surface.. so pretty much invisible.
No 'bloatware', either.. just a VZ Navigator in the menu that I have no idea what it even is.
Verizon has the best nationwide coverage. It's a non debatable point. It's fact. They have the best coverage of any U.S. carrier.
It may not be as fast, but it works.. and working medium speed everywhere you go is far better than not working at all most of the places you go. At least in my book.
Anybody catch The Daily Show last night? Jon Stewart said the only way he could send a text message to Stephen Cobert on his iPhone was to type the message, then have an errand boy take the phone to Cobert so he could read it.
I could care less about being able to surf the web and talk on the phone at the same time. Only time I can imagine that would be of any real use is if you're using the GPS feature that relies on data from the web and a phone call comes in.
I mean, come on.. who are these people that spend their days using their iPhones to give other people directions? Seriously? I'd tell those people to google map search the directions themselves. Who am I? Rand McNally?
When someone calls you and you have to browse the web while talking to them.. there's a word for that.. and the word is DOUCHEBAG.
The inability to do simultaneous voice and data hasn't hurt Verizon's current wide range of smartphones, and I seriously doubt the continued inability to do so will deter a vast number of existing Verizon customers from migrating to the iPhone.