Verizon service on a hacked iPhone?

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  1. TiMacLover macrumors 6502

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    Is it possible with all these unlocking utilities coming around to put my Verizon service onto an iPhone? I know Verizon doesn't use SIM cards, I've heard of a way to put their service onto a SIM card. Any help would be cool, thanks a bunch.

    I know Visual Voice mail won't work if I can, but what about EDGE? I've heard mixed things...

    Thanks!
     
  2. brn2prgrm macrumors member

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    Short answer: no, never, impossible!
     
  3. irkedpenguin macrumors newbie

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    AT&T (and T-Mobile) use different cellular technology (GSM vs CDMA) than Verizon (and Sprint). The only way this could work is if you also opened up the iPhone, replaced the radios, rewired the phone and wrote new drivers for it to work on CDMA.
     
  4. Merlyn3D macrumors regular

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    It's been said before, and I'll say it again because quite frankly it does become frustrating:


    SEARCH!

    If you had, you'd know that Verizon doesn't use GSM, therefore the iPhone in its current iteration can NEVER work on Verizon.
     
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  6. idea_hamster macrumors 65816

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    Personally, I disagree with the conventional wisdom that Verizon somehow "blew it."

    I think that they knew that
    1. Apple would release the iPhone in Europe shortly
    2. In Europe, cell phones are primarily GSM
    3. In Europe, carriers are generally required by law to unlock a phone
    and
    4. Parts 1 to 3 basically meant that Verizon would go from being the "only network for the iPhone" to being the "only network with visual voice mail" within a few months.

    For Cingular, the potential competition level was lower -- especially since they probably knew about the AT&T merger.
     
  7. rtharper macrumors regular

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    I feel like there is a major misconception about phone technologies in the United States (this perhaps would exist in Europe if they didn't all use one protocol...). Let's be clear---there is no "hacking" your way into the iPhone using Verizon.

    AT&T and T-Mobile (and a few regional carriers) use a protocol called GSM (Global System for Mobile communications, formerly Groupe Spécial Mobile), a protocol jointly developed by a bunch of European countries to standardise interoperability of mobiles across different countries. The data protocol that operates with GSM was originally GPRS. Both of these technologies represent 2G technologies. An effort to increase datarates before 3G technology roll outs resulted in EDGE (Enhanced Datarates for GSM Evolution).

    Verizon and Sprint (and I think AllTel) use a technology developed and patented by Qualcomm called CDMA (Code Division Multiple Access). This is to differentiate it from the 2G technologies of GSM, which use TDMA (Time Division Multiple Access). CDMA vs TDMA is where the fundamental difference between the two protocols can really be seen. They are both strategies for sharing a radio spectrum across multiple connections. These methods literally involve different hardware requirements. Therefore, you will not see a software hack to the iPhone that makes it work with CDMA. There are fundamental differences in hardware and firmware needs between the two technologies. Furthermore, the data protocols adopted by CDMA carriers were 1xRTT and EV-DO. These are, once again, completely incompatible with GPRS and EDGE technologies.

    In terms of 3G, EV-DO is considered a 3G technology, and the CDMA carriers have invested a fair amount in it. The 3G protocol adopted as the bolt-on to GSM protocols has almost universally been UMTS (Universal Mobile Telecommunications Systems), a protocol with an easy roadmap to add HSDPA, a high speed download system developed to enhance UMTS. They have also begun to develop similarly divergent 4G technologies, so even if their bandwith sharing strategies converge, it is unlikely we will see any easy interoperability among carriers (aside from certain phones, like the Blackberry 8830, which literally has both CDMA and GSM hardware smashed into it, at the cost of a fair amount of miniaturisation and likely battery life, though I'm not sure about the latter). All other phones will only operate with ONE of these sets of protocols (though a phone company may release different versions of the same model, they are definitely different "under the hood").
     
  8. sunnyDlite macrumors newbie

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    Excellent and intelligent. There is another phone though, my Sprint Samsung ip830-w which also works on both CDMA (for USA use) and GSM (for elsewhere). Since Nextel used SIM chips, we may see iPhone on Sprint/Nextel before it ever gets to Verizon.

    I'm crossing my fingers.
     
  9. ivi7 macrumors 6502a

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    I don't think Verizon wanted it and Apple didn't mind handing it to AT&T. So I am not really sure if there has to be a winner or a loser in this game.
     
  10. rtharper macrumors regular

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    I don't know much about iDEN (the Nextel protocol) other than that they used SIM cards and I believe certain GSM handsets could play nicely on the Nextel network. Whether there is any trace of that left in the Sprint/Nextel merger remains to be seen.

    And I always thought it was sort of dick that Sprint world phones could use GSM...but only on non North American frequencies =p I guess it's better than nothing, right?
     
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  12. rtharper macrumors regular

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    Too true. However, I've yet to see a consistently well thought of cell phone carrier in either the US or the UK so far...
     
  13. mpuck972 macrumors 6502

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    What a nice dream though, an iPhone on EVDO as opposed to a wireless dial-up called edge. Would have been nice.
     
  14. rtharper macrumors regular

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    But not very marketable abroad. A UMTS-enabled phone will benefit us all eventually ;) Until then, you will not find me anywhere near an iPhone.
     
  15. cah87 macrumors regular

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    I completely disagree. In my opinion Verizon was one of the best carriers i have ever had.I now have ATT because of the iPhone and he service isn't close to Verizon, but it's not to shabby either.
     
  16. hexproject macrumors member

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    Verizon using GSM is possible.......

    http://www.gadgetell.com/2007/04/verizon-blackberry-8830-cdmagsm-world-phone/

    the only phone that will work with GSM and Verizon.

    I think verizon knows that they are pretty much screwed when it comes to GSM technology, that's why they came out with this.

    If the iphone had this, then it can be used in Europe and all over too....

    But i don't know how the chips will stack up, since it will need, CDMA, 3G GSM Radio, and then regular radio GSM... the iphone battery will suck even more........
     
  17. unity macrumors 6502a

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    These GAIT phones are nothing new.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAIT_(wireless)

    Cingular had a few of these when they rolled over to GSM. The Nokia 6340(i) and a Sony. I have a 6340 to put my sim in when I know I will be in an area of no GSM coverage.

    Generally these phones work very well since they can swap to many types of towers. Battery life is the same as any other phone really.
     
  18. plumbingandtech macrumors 68000

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    Nooooo...
     
  19. eagle9867 macrumors newbie

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    Yes You May Be Able To

    okay look, verizon uses sim cards, but only in blackberrys, i know for a fact that a blackberry world edition has a simcard because i saw it today in my friends phone, i havnt put it in a hacked iphone yet but my speculation is that it may not work but i have seen some techspecs that it can broadcast a cdma signal but i havnt tried it yet but really want to
     
  20. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    1. TWO. THOUSAND. SEVEN.
    2. The SIM from the Verizon World Phone does not work in the U.S. It has been tested.
    3. Give it up, Verizonites. It's not possible. I know, I am one. I've been staring "No Service" in the face for a year and a half.
     
  21. DJBenny macrumors newbie

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    Seriously - I had AT&T/Cingular for 2 years and it was absolutely terrible. For one, the phone they gave me wore out physically very quickly. For another, I couldn't get signal anywhere compared to verizon. For goodness sakes, I can get reception in parts of subways and elevators with verizon. I've gotten 2 bars on my phone in CO 2 miles up from sea level. Last, they're expensive as hell for no good reason.

    I know, this is lame as hell for a first post but me and my friend have been pondering whether iphone compatibility will ever make it to Verizon so I felt I should comment on this. Europe knows what they're doing in terms of blocking cellphone monopolies, why can't we just do that here?
     
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  23. iannufc macrumors newbie

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    Now be fair. The guy may well have searched, but is asking a question that isn't in any other of the tons of Verizon threads - namely, putting Verizons service onto a SIM.

    No offence intended, but read before you rant.
     
  24. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    Because if Apple is told to make a CDMA phone, they will simply stop making all iPhones everywhere.

    Apple will not be told what to do.
     

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