I remember paying 80 cents per MINUTE just for mobile talk time. I can appreciate the very modest rate increases we are seeing now.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unlimitedRestaurants that offer all you can eat dining often do have various rules/restrictions related to it, and can in fact stop things at some point if/when they believe their service/products are being used up excessively. This kind of thing isn't exactly new or strange in the business world.
Problem is you did not research ways to keep your unlimited data and be under contract without paying the extra $20 a month.
There are documented ways that this is possible, and I took advantage of one of those Ways so I was not subject to the $20 increase, my bill is $74 a month with unlimited data, messages and 400 minutes. Contract until 2017 Sept. Yeah, you were gypped.
There's the definition, and then there's actual real life that I referenced.
Well, many of the employees wouldn't even know of such ways, and wouldn't really be allowed or at least would be discouraged from really talking about them as the company wants people to move away from those older plans.well, i guess - the woman at the verizon stored lied to me, as i asked if there were any ways to avoid the fee.
Not sure anyone is advocating they break the terms of the contracts. But once the contract is up and they no longer offer such a plan, then its within reason they make you choose one of their currently offered plans. They are not obligated to grandfather said plans at all much less for eternity. But they did and are. Then a select few abuses it so they make a change. (yes >100gb for MOBILE data is abusing the network) But technically once the contract is up they are well within rights to make you choose a new plan. So be grateful they allowed folks to stay on their old ULD plans AFTER their contracts were up.I can't believe people are defending advertising one thing but delivering something else, and saying that's okay because it's in the contract. Regardless of whether the 100GB limit is or is not reasonable, and what is or isn't in the contract, it's still deceptive advertising.
It reminds me of this "unlimited" toppings pizza ad (notice the actual limit in much smaller print):
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There's always some guy that's going to say "well, 1 million toppings would be physically unreasonable, nobody would think it's really unlimited".
You know what the fix for that is? Advertising "5 toppings", not "unlimited".
Secondly, there's more than 5 goddamn toppings in the picture, so this is extra deceptive.
If they are not using the wording correctly, then the problem lies with them.There's the definition, and then there's actual real life that I referenced.
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Well, many of the employees wouldn't even know of such ways, and wouldn't really be allowed or at least would be discouraged from really talking about them as the company wants people to move away from those older plans.
You misunderstood the point. Times have changed back when unlimited data was an offered plan and data was not nearly as used as it is these days. (the 20gb was for effect not fact point being no one would ever use 100GB of cellular data back then even though it was unlimited) Thats my point. And it WAS unlimited then never said otherwise. No qualms there. But if you are OUT OF CONTRACT then they are no longer obligated to grandfather the old, no longer offered, ULD plan. When the contract is over, well the contract is over and new terms can go into effect. The fact that they did allow folks to keep it was a plus but they could have just as easily on your last billing statement, at the END OF YOUR CONTRACT, stated " Your contract has been fulfilled and is now terminated. Next month you have to choose one of our current plans as the ULD is no longer offered." They didnt. But now they need to make changes due to some folks taking advantage of it. They CAN dictate what their plans will be and what they will cost. No one can sue them because they disagree with their business model. Again not talking about folks who ARE under contractual agreement. That's a different argument.Did you say "back when unlimited was probably like 20 GB"?? Unlimited should be just that my friend. Unlimited. Not probably, not maybe. Im still grandfathered into my unlimited data plan with ATT. But not because they are being nice or generous. Its because they would get sued by everyone for violating their own terms of agreement. Ive been contract free for almost 3 years now. You wouldn't believe how many offers I get from ATT to switch plans. Not gonna happen! Ive never used more than 10 GB a month and I do believe 100 GB is excessive but again, it's not the customers fault for using their "unlimited data" that they signed up and are paying for.
And here in Poland I have 10GB + unlimited throttled data with talk and text for like $10 US on my iPhone with prepaid mobile Unlimited (Exceed 200GB on regular basis no throttling) LTE for my iPad for like $11... D*mn America... You expensive...
Just took a look - up here a 2.5GB plan on Rogers starts at $50 per month (before their admin fees and taxes).$35 for 2GB? Thats like less than 1 movie HD from iTunes if you were on a commute on the bus.
Just took a look - up here a 2.5GB plan on Rogers starts at $50 per month (before their admin fees and taxes).
Back to the "unlimited" argument. I remember paying $75 a month for a 25MB BlackBerry plan in 2004. You could get "unlimited" for $100 a month (but, there was an asterisk beside the unlimited...a usage cap that you had to find in the fine print). We had one of our guys at work get a $1200 overage bill because he decided to be a smartass and tether his BB to his laptop and work from a patio one afternoon (think he was downloading movies?). Didn't end well.
Yes, the carriers do truly enjoy finding new ways to get more $ out of us, but to expect to keep these plans (and rack up TB of use) indefinitely is kinda foolish. The smart way to look at it is, what was the typical max usage you would see by people when you got the plan - if you're way over that today, you really should be expecting them to claw it back.
Oh, I know that we have gateways that are designed for mobile usage (especially for rural areas that have no other option) - also to your point @dixicup. There need to be options for those in rural areas that don't have landline (cable, other copper or fibre) broadband available to them.I don't believe these limits. More than one ISP including mine offer connecting to the internet through router that connects to the internet wireless using a chip exactly like the one in the smartphones. It gives loads of bandwidth. So why can't I have that loads of bandwidth(100s GBs!) in my phone? Currently there is an offer for $34 that will give you 60GB/month.
if you are interested look up CPE LTE in Google. Not in the US by the way, but the technology exists
And then you pay some other crazy prices for gas or something else that is completely cheap in US. Pricing for different things differ in different parts of the world. It's always been like this and doesn't really say anything about anything one way or another.And here in Poland I have 10GB + unlimited throttled data with talk and text for like $10 US on my iPhone with prepaid mobile Unlimited (Exceed 200GB on regular basis no throttling) LTE for my iPad for like $11... D*mn America... You expensive...
Let me understand this correctly.
You, Kobayashi Takeru, arrived at a restaurant that offers "All you can eat hot dogs" and a pay as you eat hot dog menu.
When you decided to go for the all you can eat but the restaurant is telling you that you can only have so 100 hot dogs or else they are going to call the cops on you.
Meanwhile, Joey Chestnut arrived and ordered 101 hotdogs off the menu and the restaurant is happily serving him...
Did I miss anything?
Problem is when the smartphones came out, especially the iPhone which was initially an exclusive to ATT, Verizon had to do anything to match what was being offered.
So, ATT had unlimited and Verizon thus offered unlimited.
Neither one of these gangsters had the foresight to realize that it was only going to be a matter of time when more users coming online would take up the network capacities.
Add LTE and they can't build towers fast enough to keep up.
Now they are faced with breaking their "UNLIMITED" promise (I am sure ATT will follow Verizon shortly)
ATT already raised their $ 30 rate to $ 35, just for having an iPhone and even after a contract is up they still charge extra for that.
Sorry, if I cannot follow the "Verizon is right" crowd, because UNLIMITED means UNLIMITED, not to a certain point, not until 100GB, it means NEVER LIMITED.
ATT and VERIZON should just grid their teeth and suffer out their own mistake. As written it is a small number.
Let it be!
As soon as ATT cancels my UNLIMITED, I'll be looking around.
Dishonest business practices (marketing/false advertising)should not be rewarded.
No need to f$%% consumers with fine print.
Why yes, yes you did. You, B4U, arrived at a restaurant that offers "All you can eat hot dogs". You go up to buffet line as they put out a tray of hot dogs, and the guy in front of you takes the whole tray, and he looks at you and says too bad, its unlimited hot dogs and laughs at you. The employee says don't worry, we'll make more. So, you sit down to wait for them to make more. As they put out another tray, you walk up and someone else gets there in front of you and takes the whole tray, while smirking at you saying too late, haha. But they say again, they'll make more...Only so many hot dogs to around, just like bandwidth. If all you greedy hot dog eaters hog all the bandwidth, everyone else eventually suffers...but as long as YOU get what you want, who cares, right?
No one forced Verizon to offer that to begin with.
Fwiw, advanced calling with Verizon has simultaneous voice and data.I don't mind the extra $5/month for my unlimited AT&T plan; it's still a great bargain.
I've had my unlimited plan with AT&T since the first iPhone. While I do agree cutting people off after a certain amount violates the very definition of 'unlimited', if AT&T does end up canceling the unlimited plan, I won't look around: where I live they're about the only provider, certainly the only one with LTE, and the only one that allows simultaneous voice and data; all things that are very valuable to me.
Restaurants have been doing it for a long time and everything seems to be basically just fine with that.No one forced Verizon to offer that to begin with.
They screwed themselves over and now decided to bait and switch.
No one forced Verizon to offer that to begin with.
They screwed themselves over and now decided to bait and switch.
Fwiw, advanced calling with Verizon has simultaneous voice and data.
If your data is blocked it makes sense, simultaneous voice and data wouldn't work. At my house, tmobile, att, verizon and sprint are equally bad. go a half of a mile and it's a different story; talking 4 bars all services.And I've read reports of that feature being blocked if a person reaches a throttling threshold.
Regardless, there is zero Verizon signal at my house and in my home town.