That's why 'All' is in (single) quotes... Which can also be interpreted as "All*". The title is not misleading.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Verizon to Require 4G LTE Compatibility for 'All' Future Smartphones
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
That's why 'All' is in (single) quotes... Which can also be interpreted as "All*". The title is not misleading.
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A406 Safari/7534.48.3)
Wow they're risking losing the worlds most popular smartphone... Although I bet there'll be an exception for the iPhone.
Wow they're risking losing the worlds most popular smartphone... Although I bet there'll be an exception for the iPhone.
Most everyone I know on Verizon who has LTE Android phones either has to constantly be adjusting the screen brightness or turning the LTE radios off in order to have the phone battery last past 3 PM. What good is an LTE phone if you have to turn the radio off in order to keep your phone alive?!
During my typical workday, I'm always connected to Wi-Fi that is 60 Mbps down and 10 Mbps up. Therefore, an LTE phone is not needed for me to get work done. Even when I'm not on Wi-Fi, 3G is fine for me 95+% of the time and only gets frustrating when I'm trying to stream from a Slingbox when in a moving vehicle -- that buffers like crazy!
I'll stick with my 3G iPhone 4 until Apple cracks the battery drain problems that plague current LTE handsets. Otherwise, Verizon couldn't pay me to switch to an LTE handset as it stands now.
During my typical workday, I'm always connected to Wi-Fi that is 60 Mbps down and 10 Mbps up. Therefore, an LTE phone is not needed for me to get work done. Even when I'm not on Wi-Fi, 3G is fine for me 95+% of the time and only gets frustrating when I'm trying to stream from a Slingbox when in a moving vehicle -- that buffers like crazy!
I'll stick with my 3G iPhone 4 until Apple cracks the battery drain problems that plague current LTE handsets. Otherwise, Verizon couldn't pay me to switch to an LTE handset as it stands now.
That seems to be what is being implied. Though by that time Apple might not need it.
I think it'd be a far, far greater surprise if the next iPhone *didn't* have LTE than if it did. Apple may not always be the first to implement new technology but they'll get LTE this year IMO.
Apple needs the carriers just as much as the carriers need them. Dont be so naive!
Abso-freaking-lutely not. The carriers need Apple MUCH more than Apple needs them.
Verizon and Sprint both plainly admitted to losing customers because of the lack of the iPhone, and Sprint paid $20 MILLION to guarantee it.
Let me ask you this: If Apple said, "Hye AT&T, sorry you can't sell the iPhone anymore" what would they AT&T do?
Now if AT&T said "Hey Apple, we refuse to sell the iPhone anymore" What would Apple do?
mmhmm
Push to talk cell phones can only do 3g. That is why the inconstancy is there; I'm assuming there are some PTT smartphones that will not meet this exception.
Agreed. Probably gives a little credence to (or is the basis for) the rumor that there will be two iPads this year -- gimped 3G iPad 3 early, then real 4G iPad 3 in the fall.
But, like you say, it seems like the two were spread out specifically to ease supply constraints, and releasing an iPad on top of the iPhone would be a disaster, as far as supply lines are concerned.
AT&T and maybe Sprint need the iPhone (though I think the only reason Sprint got on board and ponied up whatever they did was because of the AT&T-Tmo takeover threat). Verizon pretty clearly doesn't need the iPhone, but generally speaking there would be no consumer-oriented smartphone business without the iPhone.
There you have it.
As others have suggested, this is a de facto acknowledgement that the next iPhone will be 4G compliant. There's no way that Verizon would take itself out of that market. It's clear that Apple has already notified them of the specs of the next model- at least in terms of the phone network.
Good news for those who are waiting, I suppose.
As others have suggested, this is a de facto acknowledgement that the next iPhone will be 4G compliant. There's no way that Verizon would take itself out of that market. It's clear that Apple has already notified them of the specs of the next model- at least in terms of the phone network.
Good news for those who are waiting, I suppose.
Absolutely. John Gruber sums it up best.
http://isource.com/2012/01/12/recom...ple-microsoft-negotiations-with-the-carriers/
Negotiations with the carriers:
Android handset makers: Here are our phones. How would you like us to change them so that you will sell them?
Microsoft: Heres $200 million. Please sell our phones.
Apple: Here is our new phone. It comes in black or white. We will let you sell it.
It would be funny if Verizon tells Apple no go without LTE, wouldn't it? It's not like no iPhone would kill Verizon anyway.
Hahaha you mean Apple would never compromise... ...like they did on standby battery for the 4S right? 300 to 200 hrs (besides the people with some lemons, that explains batterygate right there). Oh by the way, that's listed on apple.com, just a small little fact.
OT: Do you think Steve would of put up with any device having less power? He would of probably yelled and convinced the battery people to get it done. Hope this isn't Tim Cook starting to let things slide.
I LOL'd.
As for a 4G iPhone in 2012... I'm not sure. The battery will get slaughtered. D:
LTE is currently great for a mobile hotspot but I wouldn't want it on my phone. The battery life simply isn't there with the today's chipsets.
I recall Anand doing a review for an LTE equipped Droid tablet. One of the things he really liked is that, due to the large form factor.. it was the best currently available LTE mobile hotspot.
I disagree. While Verizon 3G appears slow on paper, my 4S is much faster than my work-issued iPhone 3GS on AT&T.
what if the big three all got together and stopped selling it, along with the ipad. granted this would never happen, but you act like apple has everyone wrapped around their finger and there is no way for apple to get hurt. ios is only so good. android is a much better platform. carriers have a little bit of say in what happens, and the functionality of android makes ios look like a kiddie toy. sorry to speak the truth on an apple rumors forum. :rolleyes.
there would be many pee'd off people if they couldnt buy a new iphone. but there would be exponentially more that would say, "omg, what have i been missing... this isnt so bad" ice cream sandwich is going to be a beast folks. stability is all that is left that ios holds over android, and ics should have that part just about licked.
as far as 4g battery life goes the razr maxx is about to be released and motorola is boasting 21 hours of normal use in the same ultra thin chassis, which is way more than a lot of 4s users are getting without lte bleeding it dry. give lte a chance, the battery life is getting much better.
verizon has done a good thing by demanding this. there is no doubt in my mind they are kinda pissed that the glorious iphone isnt capable of using their bread and butter network.
may the thumbs down for honesty commence.
Verizon got Apple to put CDMA capability in every one of the new model phones they make and sell all around the world, needed or not.
That's some pretty good influence.
lol. these schmucks around here downed you for saying that? what a joke.
unless the verizon network in your area is better than what att is able to offer, i would stick with att. the att lte rollout is getting faster and faster and their lte will be able to handle much faster speeds than verizon. that isnt to say they will not dumb it down to slower speeds as is the norm with them, but it is supposed to be better than verizon according to most every tech blog. keep that in mind before you switch. att has yet to announce lte coming to nashville, but the lte commercials have increased tenfold and i saw my first one on the lte samsung gs2 skyrocket monday night. they only sell lte phones in areas that have or are getting lte in the near future. so my fingers are crossed for i am hoping the commercials are signs of what is coming.
Not statistically significant. You need to survey multiple users on both CDMA and 3G HSPA networks in various markets. One person's result is not a valid conclusion due to network coverage strengths and weaknesses in any given place.
In any case, you'd also need to test on a high-speed HSPA+ network (not available in the United States, but plentiful in other parts of the world) to pass judgment whether EV-DO or HSPA/HSPA+ is faster.
It's worth pointing out that the posted maximum theoretical specifications for EV-DO are considerably below the posted specifications for HSPA+.
So, either Apple's next iPhone won't be available on Verizon, or Apple's next iPhone will have 4G LTE. None of this precludes Verizon from continuing to sell the current crop of iPhone on into the murky future.
OR maybe the next iPhone will be like a hybrid car; It will have its regular battery -sipping Grandma-going-to-church mode or you can throw caution to the wind and switch into Hyper-drive, warp 4G, all-engines-engaged, hell-bent-for-leather mode.