Discussion in 'Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices' started by Napoleon7, May 22, 2013.

  1. Napoleon7 macrumors newbie

    May 9, 2013
    Need to replace a phone this weekend - As the title suggests, VZW is my carrier. I would have liked to wait until the GS4 is released or even later until WWDC to see whats in store for Apple... However, I'm going to need to replace my phone this weekend.

    I've generally used Apple products, so I'm familiar with the ecosystem. It certainly has is share of pros and cons, and I've been interested in jumping into the Android/Google ecosystem, but none of the available phones on VZW really seem to catch my eye. Motorola RZR MAXX HD is about it.

    Lumia 928 looks interesting, but I think it's still too early to jump into the Windows ecosystem.

    Suggestions? I would like to get involved with the Android platform, but the old(er) RZR MAXX HD is all that seems worth it.

    iPhone 5 is a safe bet... But its successor is likely going to be announced in a few weeks.
  2. fr4c macrumors 65816


    Jul 27, 2007
    Hamster wheel
  3. Napoleon7 thread starter macrumors newbie

    May 9, 2013
    Yeah I realized this after re-checking the VZW website. I originally thought it was due to arrive a week from tomorrow. Rookie mistake.

    GS4 is probably the best option for VZW right now IMO.
  4. 0000757 macrumors 68040

    Dec 16, 2011
    I'd argue the HTC Butterfly (AKA Droid DNA) is the better choice, or if you're willing to try out Windows Phone, the Nokia Lumia 928
  5. skratch77 macrumors 65816

    Mar 20, 2013
    I got my gs4 yesterday for wont be disappointed if you end up picking one up.
  6. Napoleon7 thread starter macrumors newbie

    May 9, 2013
    I'm intrigued by the Lumia 928... But suspect that this is based on the fresh look of live tiles, and that it won't last. It's hard to say whether or not I'd like the WP8 platform...

    I'm not so sure that the DNA will be a better choice. I'd have to hold the two and play around a bit to compare, though I believe the perception is that the GS4 has better specs and that Samsung gets updates faster.
  7. cynics macrumors G4

    Jan 8, 2012
    My suggestion, switch carriers.

    I prefer the iPhone 5 but Verizon's network handicaps it. Only a few phones with SVDO support can do 3G/LTE + voice like the Rezound, S3 and Thunderbolt. While others without SVDO can only do LTE + voice.

    However the iPhone 5 can only do voice OR data.

    For me that's a big deal. I spend long periods of time on my phone and its not uncommon to need to use my phone but its impossible, just a brick. To be even more annoying, its not uncommon for me to get off my phone and 30 text messages and 10 emails come in all at once.

    If they added a radio to the Verizon iPhone 5S that allowed it to do voice and data at the same time I'd pay full price and stand outside of an Apple store for 2 days in the rain. Yes it's that big of a deal to me lol.

    Plus Verizon's 3G is terrible to fall back on. Thankfully they have a huge LTE network.

    But I digress, Verizon phones suck and the ones that are good end up sucking because of their CDMA network. :)
  8. skratch77 macrumors 65816

    Mar 20, 2013
    Ill stick with my unlimted verizon lte plan!

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  9. skratch77 macrumors 65816

    Mar 20, 2013
    If its that big of a deal why don't you just get the best phone out right now and buy a gs4

    your blaming verizons network because apple didnt build the iphone 5 to support data and voice at the same time while others have no problems doing both on there network.

    I cant believe you just recommended someone to leave a network because a specific iphone is handicapped and cant do both.
  10. Napoleon7 thread starter macrumors newbie

    May 9, 2013
    I have my eyes on the GS4.

    Does GS4 deal with this issue of calling and data at the same time?
  11. skratch77 macrumors 65816

    Mar 20, 2013
    Im talking on speaker phone and replying at the same time so yes,the gs4 on verizon supports data and voice at the same time unlike the iphone 5
  12. durant35 macrumors member

    May 2, 2013
    Good choice. Get to your store early as they may have limited supply. I am heading to mine an hour before they open.
  13. Orlandoech macrumors 68040


    Jun 2, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Having the iPhone with AT&T then switching to VZ, I can't tell you how many times I actually needed that and don't have it. I am actually switching back due to this reason and the fact VZ doesn't have the gs4 or HTC one yet.
  14. skratch77 macrumors 65816

    Mar 20, 2013
    Iv had my gs4 on verizon since tuesday moring.what do you mean verizon font have the gs4 yet?they sped up the release date and its out now!

    and verizon is not the issue with foing both data and voice its tge lack of hardware on the iphone to support it on verizons network.
  15. AutoUnion39 macrumors 601


    Jun 21, 2010
    That's a fluke test. Im also in Boston. VZW and AT&T run a 10x10 lte network. Max for it is around 73 mbps. I've seen spikes of 78mbps with the speed test app and its wrong.

    81 mbps is simply not possible on a 10x10


    Why is the DNA better?
  16. skratch77 macrumors 65816

    Mar 20, 2013
    Of course its a spike but I do get 60-70 in the boston area on most days
  17. cynics macrumors G4

    Jan 8, 2012
    Did you actually read what I wrote?

    I recommended him to switch carriers because all phones are typically better on GSM networks. CDMA has its perks though. I also said its important to ME. If that doesn't matter then that's up to him.

    Apple didn't add two radios to the iPhone 5 because that's a half baked way of getting around a carriers network limitation and usually the reason GSM phones get better battery life.

    GS4 is a good phone no doubt but I'd still recommend the GSM version. It will have better dev support and better OEM support. Look at the Galaxy Nexus and all Verizon android devices getting updates MONTHS behind their GSM counter part. Razr Maxx has an optional locked boot loader because Verizon wants it locked.

    Then like I mentioned you have their terrible 3G (I did say thankful their LTE network is so large) which I get at BEST 1.5 mbs down.

    Tested right now.


    Almost usable!

    I stay with Verizon because my employer pays for it. I can switch but I'd need to buy a phone and pay the monthly. :)
  18. skratch77, May 23, 2013
    Last edited: May 23, 2013

    skratch77 macrumors 65816

    Mar 20, 2013
    I have 4g pretty much everywhere I go and I still cant believe you recommend that he swap carriers because an iphone cant use both data and voice.he is not looking to get an iphone and most phones on verizon support data and voice.

    btw I put an att sim in my verizon gs3 and it worked with att sim in it.

    the soc across the gs3 and gs4 are all the same and the built in modems support all the bands

    you even said if apple made an iphone 5 with support to do data and voice you would stand in line for 2 days in the rain to get thst iphone so I dont get it at are now spinning your post about cdma and 3g speeds.if you have an issue with cdma and verizon why would you stick with verizon and wait in line for days for that special model iphone 5?
  19. KentuckyHouse macrumors 68020


    Jan 29, 2010
    Lexington, KY.
    I can remember a year or two ago, people getting slammed around here when they would talk about what an advantage simultaneous voice and date is on the AT&T iPhone vs. the Verizon iPhone. Verizon people would laugh and scoff and talk about how they would NEVER use data on their phone while on a voice call, how it was a ridiculous "luxury". Us AT&T people would just roll our eyes and think, that's because you don't know what you're missing.

    It's nice to see someone post that's been on both sides of that fence.
  20. nestafaria macrumors member

    Sep 18, 2012
    It's not. I would avoid. I'm on my third one and it'll never see a software update.
  21. Orlandoech macrumors 68040


    Jun 2, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    It's so incredibably useful and you never notice until you lose it.

    I can't count how many times I was on the phone and needed to reference an email and couldn't.

    On top of which, when my iPhone reverts to 3G it's pathetically slow compared to att 4G
  22. cynics macrumors G4

    Jan 8, 2012
    Stop trolling for an argument and try reading my post. Everything you said I clearly addressed.

    •LTE coverage being good....check
    •Other reasons aside voice and data that Verizon sucks....check
    •Android phones on Verizon and horrible update times and poor dev support....check
    •How I mentioned CDMA and 3G speed in my INITIAL POST (not "spinning" anything)....check
    •Why I stay with Verizon....check

    I also never mention AT&T. I really can't dumb down what I'm saying any further for you. Seriously read what I wrote then how you're responding, its hilarious.

    If you like Verizon (why anyone defends a carrier is totally beyond me) then more power to you. I'm just stating facts of why GSM is better the CDMA when it comes to a smart phone.

    If I HAD to pick a Verizon phone it would be the iPhone 5 (LIKE I MENTIONED). Then the SG4 but not so close to release, I'd wait a couple months to see bugs as Samsung typically doesn't make very good CDMA phones. However waiting isn't an option for the OP now is it? So I said what you consider unbelievable, switch carriers!

    Lol :)

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