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deeddawg

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Nice examples of the incremental improvements. New one is a little bit faster, with the biggest real difference showing in the iMovie export. As well noted in the video, it's up to the individual whether the improvements are or aren't worth the extra money of the new model vs. buying a refurb older model. Time is money; how much time for how much money is an individual decision. :D
 

The Samurai

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Nice examples of the incremental improvements. New one is a little bit faster, with the biggest real difference showing in the iMovie export. As well noted in the video, it's up to the individual whether the improvements are or aren't worth the extra money of the new model vs. buying a refurb older model. Time is money; how much time for how much money is an individual decision. :D

Thanks. It's a stunning machine, just wish the camera was better (2016... hello?!) and one more USB port.

Looking forward to WWDC to see what they do with the MBP's.
 

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Thanks. It's a stunning machine, just wish the camera was better (2016... hello?!) and one more USB port.

Looking forward to WWDC to see what they do with the MBP's.

Kind of agree with you. I feel they've pretty much nailed it, the reason I would like to see a second Type-C port is not due to wanting to connect more than one device at a time to the device, it's because if the one breaks the laptop becomes a paperweight. I realise the same could be said with Magsafe but it's just the likely hood of this breaking is probably higher. Also I'm sure it's within the realm of feasibility to include a 720p camera even if it's not used that much. Aside from that, it's pretty much the perfect ultra portable in my opinion. Maybe a reduction in the size of the bezel next. Performance is good enough for what it's used for from the looks of things.
 

David58117

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Kind of agree with you. I feel they've pretty much nailed it, the reason I would like to see a second Type-C port is not due to wanting to connect more than one device at a time to the device, it's because if the one breaks the laptop becomes a paperweight. I realise the same could be said with Magsafe but it's just the likely hood of this breaking is probably higher. Also I'm sure it's within the realm of feasibility to include a 720p camera even if it's not used that much. Aside from that, it's pretty much the perfect ultra portable in my opinion. Maybe a reduction in the size of the bezel next. Performance is good enough for what it's used for from the looks of things.

Is that really a concern?

In all the MacBook air/pros/mac minis I've owned over the years - a port breaking has never happened.

Even in the years I've spent browsing here, I don't remember seeing that happen.
 

deeddawg

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I'm sure it's within the realm of feasibility to include a 720p camera even if it's not used that much.
I'm curious what your basis is for thinking Apple chose to go the direction they did and then maintained that in the 2nd gen despite the various complaints? (something with more meat to it than "Apple is cheap!" please...)

My thinking is they had a thickness limitation that prevented higher res camera; there was another 12" ultra mentioned here recently which had a higher res camera but it was at the bottom of the screen. Between the screen glass and the lid casing there's not much depth at the top edge of the rMB's screen. Perhaps the only webcam assemblies that fit are 480p at this point?
 

polee

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Is that really a concern?

In all the MacBook air/pros/mac minis I've owned over the years - a port breaking has never happened.

Even in the years I've spent browsing here, I don't remember seeing that happen.
Yes I have used my rMB 015 for nearly one year now and the port is still as good as new.
 
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deeddawg

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Is that really a concern?
In all the MacBook air/pros/mac minis I've owned over the years - a port breaking has never happened.

For some it probably is a concern. Ever notice how there are some people who always seem to suffer from brokeass USB, lighting, and charger power cords? Yet yours are all pristine despite being older and used more often? I imagine it's a similar sort of thing. That port's going to be just fine for many years for folks who take care of their stuff, and it may not last quite so long for the folks who don't.
 

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Is that really a concern?

In all the MacBook air/pros/mac minis I've owned over the years - a port breaking has never happened.

Even in the years I've spent browsing here, I don't remember seeing that happen.

I've never had a broken port either but it's still a concern with a new standard.

I'm curious what your basis is for thinking Apple chose to go the direction they did and then maintained that in the 2nd gen despite the various complaints? (something with more meat to it than "Apple is cheap!" please...)

My thinking is they had a thickness limitation that prevented higher res camera; there was another 12" ultra mentioned here recently which had a higher res camera but it was at the bottom of the screen. Between the screen glass and the lid casing there's not much depth at the top edge of the rMB's screen. Perhaps the only webcam assemblies that fit are 480p at this point?

I would have thought that if it's just 480p to 720p with the XY dimensions would increase with the thickness would remain the same? I'm not an expert so it's just speculation.

Yes I have used my rMB 015 for nearly one year now and the port is still as good as new.

Good to hear, hope it stays reliable.

For some it probably is a concern. Ever notice how there are some people who always seem to suffer from brokeass USB, lighting, and charger power cords? Yet yours are all pristine despite being older and used more often? I imagine it's a similar sort of thing. That port's going to be just fine for many years for folks who take care of their stuff, and it may not last quite so long for the folks who don't.

I always take care of my stuff, just a concern none the less with a new port.
 

noobinator

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Breaking the USB c port and having a useless device is no different than breaking the charging magsafe port on other macbooks. It's not like they have two charging ports.
 

deeddawg

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I would have thought that if it's just 480p to 720p with the XY dimensions would increase with the thickness would remain the same? I'm not an expert so it's just speculation
Yes, for the same pixel density on the sensor you'd increase the side of the sensor to accommodate more pixels. The trick then is that for the same field of view and perspective you also have to move the lens further away from the sensor, making the assembly deeper. I may be wrong that there are no 720p webcams that fit, but it does seem to more logical explanation.
 
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