MP 1,1-5,1 Video Card Recommendation for Mac Pro 5,1 in 2024

[matthewpomar]

I'm going to use Open Core Legacy Patcher to bring my classic Mac Pro up to date so I can use it again as my daily driver. I plan on running Ventura or Sonoma, depending on recommendations.

It currently has a Sapphire RX 580 PC card with no boot menu support. I understand OCLP will add boot menu support, but I am also looking to drive the a Dell 6K monitor at 60Hz. From what I can tell, this card will not support this resolution.

Any recommendations on a video card that:

1. Fastest card that supports 6k (6,144 x 3,456 @ 60Hz)
2. Works (supported) with Venture and/or Sonoma via OCLP.
3. Does not require any power modifications.

This will not be used as a gaming machine, but rather video editing, programming, and daily work/office use.

Thanks so much!

 

[nathan_reilly]

I have nothing to offer besides that I too am very interested to see what is recommended! I'm rockin my 580 with OCLP Monterey on my 5,1, used for 3D parametric modeling in Solidworks (Windows 10 VM) and CPU rendering with Keyshot in MacOS. I have two 30 inch cinemas but I realize that my card could probably do another 2 no problem. Your needs definitely exceed mine but I do edit the occasional video in Final Cut and it's never been the fastest. Very interested to see what's suggested!

 

[Borowski]

If you opt for Ventura or Sonoma you have no choice: It has to be AMD Polaris or Vega, because these are the only GPUs the AVX-patch is applicable for atm: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore...rently-unsupported-broken-hardware-in-ventura

 

[nathan_reilly]

If you opt for Ventura or Sonoma you have no choice: It has to be AMD Polaris or Vega, because these are the only GPUs the AVX-patch is applicable for atm: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore...rently-unsupported-broken-hardware-in-ventura

Is this where people are coming from when they say the move is to run Windows 11 on these machines going forward? I have heard that MacOS is not the most logical decision for 5,1 machines anymore.

 

[tsialex]

Is this where people are coming from when they say the move is to run Windows 11 on these machines going forward? I have heard that MacOS is not the most logical decision for 5,1 machines anymore.

It's also an unsupported hardware configuration with Windows 11 that can stop working anytime and even if you move to Windows, you still have to protect the Mac Pro BootROM from Windows UEFI SecureBoot signing that can brick the Mac Pro with OpenCore.

So, for a smooth ride, Linux seems a more reasonable choice for the long run.

 

[nathan_reilly]

It's also an unsupported hardware configuration with Windows 11 that can stop working anytime and even if you move to Windows, you still have to protect the Mac Pro BootROM from Windows UEFI SecureBoot signing that can brick the Mac Pro with OpenCore.

So, for a smooth ride, Linux seems a more reasonable choice for the long run.

Terrifying! I just set up a CNC machine with Debian 12 and LinuxCNC, I hadn't used Linux since middle school ('00s)! Perhaps as a last resort. I guess I need to do more research re: UEFI because I thought I was good to go *edit* I have to apologize to OP for hijacking this thread, I'm still curious to hear from others suggesting hardware for OP.

 

[matthewpomar]

Well, I checked a few more sources and it appears that the RX580 might support at 7680 x 4320 resolution. It supports DisplayPort 1.4, which supports:

7680 x 4320 / 60 Hz / 10 Bit Chroma / HDR
and
3840 x 2160 / 120 Hz / 10 Bit Chroma / HDR

... according to this site:

DisplayPort™

www.delock.com

So, I guess I'm good with Sonoma or Ventura with this card for the Dell 6K monitor. Does anyone have any information to the contrary?

 

[haralds]

Be aware. I have an RX-580 (flashed) in my CMPro 5,1 and Sonoma and Ventura are not stable with 1.3.0 or 1.4.0 nightly routinely kernel crashing in the video driver. The AVX2 patch appears to be incomplete.

When I politely inquired for more info on Discord, Macschrauber was helpful, others were more "curt." Not sure, why the defensiveness.

Overall I like the RX-580. I got it when I had High Sierra and it required a patched driver. It worked well with stock Mojave, DosDude patched Catalina, Big Sur, and Monterey. But not the new systems. If I remember Ventura used to be ok. It might be the OCLP 1.3.0 patches made things worse. I have not tried reverting.

 

[LordeOurMother]

I think a flashed 6600 XT is the best modern card going forward for a Mac Pro if you do not want to do power mods. It’s what I have and it is a very capable modern cpu with windows support expected for the foreseeable future, as well as relatively seamless modern Mac OS support.

 

[mode11]

Personally I'd stick with Monterey if I were still using a 5,1, as I wouldn't want to put up with potential instability for the minor improvements of Ventura / Sonoma. Realistically, though, I think we all got our money's worth out of these old machines, and are better off moving on to something (vastly) more modern.

The issue, of course, is that the cMP doesn't really have a successor. The 2019 is still expensive second hand, and on borrowed time in terms of OS support. You basically can't have your cake and eat it any longer. You can either have macOS, and forego expandible hardware (with a mini / Studio), or have expandible hardware and forego macOS. Sticking with a 15 year old machine is not a solution - you have to bite the bullet at some point.

 

[avro707]

a flashed 6600 XT is the best modern card going forward for a Mac Pro

I have the same RX6600XT Sapphire card on my 12.7.4 Monterey machine - it works very nicely. Also doesn't push out anywhere near as much heat as the RX580 used to do.

Fortunately I had a 7,1 Mac Pro (I got it brand new) that runs windows so I just put the RX6600XT in a EGPU enclosure and connected it to the 7,1 and flashed it that way.

Ultimately professional level computing on the Apple side is dead. If you want traditional Mac Pro level hardware you have to go to HP or Lenovo these days and one of their workstation offerings. Those are nice but equally expensive like the 2019 Mac Pro (although nobody complains about the cost).

 

[mode11]

Those are nice but equally expensive like the 2019 Mac Pro (although nobody complains about the cost).

I guess people buying PC workstations specifically want a workstation, whereas the people who own second hand 5,1's just want an expandible desktop Mac, which otherwise doesn't exist. The other thing is that PC workstations at least give you AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU options for the money.

 

[uranium235_cn1]

Well, I checked a few more sources and it appears that the RX580 might support at 7680 x 4320 resolution. It supports DisplayPort 1.4, which supports:

7680 x 4320 / 60 Hz / 10 Bit Chroma / HDR
and
3840 x 2160 / 120 Hz / 10 Bit Chroma / HDR

... according to this site:

DisplayPort™

www.delock.com

So, I guess I'm good with Sonoma or Ventura with this card for the Dell 6K monitor. Does anyone have any information to the contrary?

I used an RX570 4G ITX card with Mod ROM. support Maximum digital resolution: 7680 x 4320 via DP.

 

[avro707]

I used an RX570 4G ITX card with Mod ROM. support Maximum digital resolution: 7680 x 4320 via DP.

Do those RX580s or 570s have enough power to be able to drive that kind of resolution?

They might do it, but does the whole thing struggle and become unworkable in actual use?

 

[uranium235_cn1]

Do those RX580s or 570s have enough power to be able to drive that kind of resolution?

They might do it, but does the whole thing struggle and become unworkable in actual use?

If you use it for monitoring no problem, but if you need 3D workflow with GPU computation or acceleration, then NO.

 

[matthewpomar]

I'm the OP on this thread. To tie it up, RX 580 won't do more than 5K over DP, according to the Sapphire website:

• DisplayPort: 5120×2880@60Hz
• HDMI: 4096×2160@60Hz
• DVI:2560x1600@60Hz

I could never get more than 4k @ 60Hz.

I abandoned Sonoma due to the instability caused by outdated CPU in Mac Pro 5,1. Moved to Montery and it's stable and trouble free.

Replaced RX 580 with RX 6600 from MacVidCard EU. Despite their site advertising the card to support 8k @ 60Hz, I'm only able to get 6k at 30Hz, or 5k @ 60Hz on my Dell 6k monitor over DP, trying many different cables. Given this card has a PCI gen 4 x 8 connector, I can only conclude the Mac's PCI gen 2 slot doesn't provide enough bandwidth to hit 6k @ 60Hz. I suspect a gen 2 x16 card could work, but I have chased this rabbit long enough.

 

[mode11]

Doubt the PCIe slot has anything to do with it. It will be related to the spec of the DP connector on the card, and more likely, Apple's AMD drivers. Showing your desktop at 6K60 won't be taxing the PCIe bus.

 

[BeatCrazy]

I'm the OP on this thread. To tie it up, RX 580 won't do more than 5K over DP, according to the Sapphire website:

• DisplayPort: 5120×2880@60Hz
• HDMI: 4096×2160@60Hz
• DVI:2560x1600@60Hz

I could never get more than 4k @ 60Hz.

I abandoned Sonoma due to the instability caused by outdated CPU in Mac Pro 5,1. Moved to Montery and it's stable and trouble free.

Replaced RX 580 with RX 6600 from MacVidCard EU. Despite their site advertising the card to support 8k @ 60Hz, I'm only able to get 6k at 30Hz, or 5k @ 60Hz on my Dell 6k monitor over DP, trying many different cables. Given this card has a PCI gen 4 x 8 connector, I can only conclude the Mac's PCI gen 2 slot doesn't provide enough bandwidth to hit 6k @ 60Hz. I suspect a gen 2 x16 card could work, but I have chased this rabbit long enough.

Hi. I also have a 5,1 and use OCLP (Monterey) and get 6K60 resolution output via an AMD 5700XT Anniversary Edition. No power mods!

It's not about the PCI bandwidth limitations. Are you trying to connect to a Pro Display XDR? That's what I have.

Almost forgot to mention, you need SwitchResX in order to get the full resolution support.

 

[matthewpomar]

I thought I was finally able to get 6k @ 60Hz using this StarTech HDMI cable:

6ft 2m Certified HDMI 2.1 Cable - 8K/4K - HDMI® Cables & HDMI Adapters | StarTech.com

6ft (2m) HDMI 2.1 Cable 8K - Certified Ultra High Speed HDMI Cable 48Gbps - 8K 60Hz/4K 120Hz HDR10+ eARC - Ultra HD 8K HDMI Cable - Monitor/TV/Display

www.startech.com

But I was only getting 5k (5120 x 2880) @ 60Hz and MacOS was just upscaling the resolution.