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Video Comparison: M2 MacBook Pro vs. M1 MacBook Pro
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But M2 shows us why Mac Studio has cooling so robust. We can expect higher CPU frequencies in future iterations so cooling/design was made future proof.
Ok I’ll build my dodgy unsupported hack now and just leave it on my desk with a hole ready for where I’ll put the new super cpu whenever it gets released. I’ll likely get much more work done based on its superior specs. You’re right. That does seem like a good plan.
Better to go for 512GB model if buying the M2 MacBook Pro. Might be the same case with M2 Air also. Have to wait and see.
1) 99% of all people, no matter if they are buying Apple or some Windows computer or a computer with Linux, or any other OS knows EVERYTHING about what they are buying. They ALL make some assumptions. You just expect that everything on a newer computer that is replacing an older computer is going to be AT LEAST as fast if not faster and NEVER slower. If it came on the package that video would be slower on the new one, how many people would buy it.
2) I'm waiting for the class action lawsuit against Apple for selling computers with slower parts of a computer when there is no warning on the packaging. In this kind of case I believe Apple deserves it.
3) I'm still pissed that Apple discontinued the 27" iMac. And NO, what replaced it isn't better because to pay for something equivalent would now be over $800 more expensive than what I bought in 2020 and then I would still have the hassle of having multiple pieces instead of it being an all-in-one which is what I've PURPOSELY been buying since I bought my first iMac (Bondi Blue) in 1998.
2) I'm waiting for the class action lawsuit against Apple for selling computers with slower parts of a computer when there is no warning on the packaging. In this kind of case I believe Apple deserves it.
3) I'm still pissed that Apple discontinued the 27" iMac. And NO, what replaced it isn't better because to pay for something equivalent would now be over $800 more expensive than what I bought in 2020 and then I would still have the hassle of having multiple pieces instead of it being an all-in-one which is what I've PURPOSELY been buying since I bought my first iMac (Bondi Blue) in 1998.
Also prob a lot of M2 vs last gen Intel (I'm debating about turning my Intel quad into a permanently docked system in my garage for working on my gear there and picking up an M2, I'm sure I'm not alone)
I'm fairly agnostic when it comes to MacOS vs Windows but right now I think it's fair to say that Intel don't have anything out just now (nor any sign of anything out this year) which is likely to be competitive with Apple's M1/M2 chips.
The i7/i9 chips that can (only just) outperform M1 Pro are in 2-3kg desktop replacement laptops which have battery life typcially half that of Macbook's (especially if you start pushing them in terms of CPU/GPU usage). Actually, I suspect if you pull the power adapter from a 12-i9 mobile chip and run it on battery alone you'll see it drop behind Apple's CPU's on battery. Not to mention Intel's integrated graphics are orders of magniture slower than Apple's M1.
If Apple can iterrate each year with a ~20% annual performance jump, as they have been up until now with the Ax chips, it's hard to imagine Intel will ever be able to catch up in the mobile/laptop sector?
I suppose: Without unified memory Apple wouldn't be able to "glue" two together for the M1 Ultra.
Completely agree. “Most people will not notice” is exactly fraud. This is just Apple trying to get away with something. Not just the NAND, the entire machine. The lack of Magsafe is particularly egregious. Someone said “let’s just put an M2 in the old one and call it new” and there was no one there competent / powerful enough to say no. This is exactly the kind of thing Jobs fixed when he went back to Apple, and he would have said no to this one I think.
Yeah, it's very clear this existence of the 13" Macbook Pro M2 is nothing more than Apple's attempt to shift some of the leftover touchbar chassis's they have left as far as I can tell. If I'm being cynical I wonder if that's the reason they delayed the launch of the Macbook Air M2 until July/August?
apple could kick you in the teeth and you'll still defend them
Wondering the exactly the same. The concept is brilliant. Thanks for a zoomed pic!
you honestly think that Apple, a multi-gazillion dollar company, lacks the ability to micromanage their inventory and somehow ended up with such an overglut of excess parts, to the point that they're now forced to continue selling MBP13's just to handle this so-called oversight? 😂
or maybe it's because the MBP13 is still a popular enough device to justify its continued existence (despite what all the armchair experts in the forums here say)? or perhaps you think that Apple was lying about the MBP13 being the world's 2nd best selling laptop?
Has it been confirmed that all 256 GB M2 machines have a single 256 GB NAND chip? Some reports referred to the PCB being able to accommodate two chips as another component assembly option. This could be similar to having two different display manufactures with different panels.
The use of single flash chips may be due to component shortages and thus a temporary solution.
The use of single flash chips may be due to component shortages and thus a temporary solution.
Certainly looks that way as between the 13" M1 Macbook Air, M2 Macbook Air and 14" Macbook Pro the M2 13" Macbook Pro (with a deprecated touchbar) has no place in that product line-up.
A surplus stock of parts is the only reason I can see for it's continued existence?
"NAND speeds" are only possible if there are more NAND dies in a given system as the numbers for throughput can only be generated by using all the NAND in parallels to fill the NAND I/O bus and in turn, fill the PCIe Bandwidth per lane.
While peak speeds are reduced - the question that needs to be answered is whether the latency is worse. If the answer is no, then as long as the usage model of the cpu is used with smaller data sizes then the user shouldn't feel this difference. It really depends on the overall load in question. Even for swap memory. This is more psychological than anything else.
The next question I would ask is that if a person is using 8GB/256GB as their base and you are dealing with situations where you are reaching large data transfers of reads and writes at sustained loads where you are hitting peak, then most likely you are hitting to a point where that small SSD is being filled up. Eventually it will get to a point where it doesn't matter if you 2 NAND chips or 1 NAND chip. Your system will be so bottlenecked and there would be the lack of storage needed to perform at peak where the question should be asked, why are you not getting a 512Gb or higher?
Also keep in mind that NAND Advancements are usually in Die Density size at each generation and I/O performance but these are still bottlenecked by the system's bottleneck. You can technically fit the same amount of memory now with less dies than you did before. NAND memory is typically priced at a commodity level per GB so i don't see much cost savings from 2 to 1. I would wonder if chip bottlenecks play some role -apple doesn't make flash, they buy it from manufacturers and everyone is succumb to supply chain issues even someone as big as Apple.
While peak speeds are reduced - the question that needs to be answered is whether the latency is worse. If the answer is no, then as long as the usage model of the cpu is used with smaller data sizes then the user shouldn't feel this difference. It really depends on the overall load in question. Even for swap memory. This is more psychological than anything else.
The next question I would ask is that if a person is using 8GB/256GB as their base and you are dealing with situations where you are reaching large data transfers of reads and writes at sustained loads where you are hitting peak, then most likely you are hitting to a point where that small SSD is being filled up. Eventually it will get to a point where it doesn't matter if you 2 NAND chips or 1 NAND chip. Your system will be so bottlenecked and there would be the lack of storage needed to perform at peak where the question should be asked, why are you not getting a 512Gb or higher?
Also keep in mind that NAND Advancements are usually in Die Density size at each generation and I/O performance but these are still bottlenecked by the system's bottleneck. You can technically fit the same amount of memory now with less dies than you did before. NAND memory is typically priced at a commodity level per GB so i don't see much cost savings from 2 to 1. I would wonder if chip bottlenecks play some role -apple doesn't make flash, they buy it from manufacturers and everyone is succumb to supply chain issues even someone as big as Apple.
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I can’t think of a more boring Apple product than this laptop that shouldn’t exist.
Can’t wait to hear about the new Air though.
Can’t wait to hear about the new Air though.
umm, not sure your conclusion makes much sense. again, Apple has already stated that the MBP13 is the world's 2nd best selling laptop (behind only the MBA) - that means it sells better than the MBP 14" & 16" models. so why wouldn't they keep on making a model which is doing so well? i know a vocal majority of forum posts here would have you believe that the MBP13 is useless and undesirable to anybody, but Apple's own statement directly contradicts this sentiment.
besides, i personally disagree - as the only notebook remaining in Apple's lineup with no notch & with a touchbar, the MBP13 is the only laptop from them that i'm interested in (and i'm unlikely to be alone in this thinking)... 🤷♂️
It seems like a great machine in everything but one area: how can a “pro” machine coke with anything but 16GB of RAM as the baseline?
Looks like a I’ll be waiting for the M3 die shrink to update.
Looks like a I’ll be waiting for the M3 die shrink to update.