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Videophiles , Film Mode is the correct colors?
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Thanks. Didn't know it existed. Still don't understand the difference between it and brightness.
I could be misunderstanding it all but I see it as: OLED brightness deals with the image(s) on the screen due to the OLED pixels tech. Picture brightness is the TV screen. Too much picture brightness will/can make for duller colors and make the black(s) look gray/grey. Again, I could be barking up the wrong tree lol. But there's a difference or many have been had because of great marketing lol.
from a Bing search, "OLED Pixel Brightness determines how bright the screen is overall while Screen Brightness determines how bright the picture is on the content you watch..."
I keep mine at 100 for OLED and 50/55brightness for standard picture and the black(s) look great along with some other tweaks.
Thanks. So the OLED brightness is the maximum screen brightness that the hardware can deliver where screen brightness is the actual brightness set by the user as a % of the OLD brightness?
I find some of these terms a bit questionable but what I have been told - OLED brightness is the maximum capability of the hardware. Other references to brightness is represented as a percentage of the former. So you might set your TV for 75 out of 100 on the OLED brightness maximum or some other value. Then to make things more fun, that latter number might be adjusted to match certain playback. HDR capable media being at one level while SDR being at another. I find the entirety a bit messy.
If anyone finds my above statement inaccurate, please do chime in. I am only repeating what I was told back when by someone who is very deeply involved in this stuff.
As for me, I do use
settings that are substantially less than the max capable so the images look more natural (to me).
If anyone finds my above statement inaccurate, please do chime in. I am only repeating what I was told back when by someone who is very deeply involved in this stuff.
As for me, I do use
settings that are substantially less than the max capable so the images look more natural (to me).
For TVs of the age the OP is talking about, Movie or Film mode tended to be the most accurate out of the box.
AppleTV introduced an iPhone calibration mode a few years ago (you hold up your phone to the screen and the Apple TV adjusts it's output - but this doesn't actually change the TV setting), but I don't think that was particularly well thought of.
There is also an iOS App Called THX Tune-up that Airplays a series of test scenes to the AppleTV with guides on how to adjust the TV settings (contrast, brightness, R/G colour etc) which I used to use back in the day.
More recent TVs (especially high models from the big 4 manufacturers) tend to be fairly well calibrated from the factory. There will be some shades of some colours that are less accurate than others (delta E >3), but the average delta E is typically < 3. (Delta E of 3 is the largest difference between the picture and the reference point that cannot be perceived by the human eye).These modern sets (from 2020 onwards) tend to have a mode called Filmmaker mode that is designed to turn off all the motion smoothing features that make films look awful (the dreaded soap-opera effect). I don't think a TV from 2013 is likely to have many motion smoothing options unless it is a very high end set. For an LED TV, the only option I would recommend is black frame insertion, which comes at the cost of slightly lower brightness. Pretty much all motion interpolation from this era was pretty poor (either introduced artifacts or gave stuttering or soap opera effect)
AppleTV introduced an iPhone calibration mode a few years ago (you hold up your phone to the screen and the Apple TV adjusts it's output - but this doesn't actually change the TV setting), but I don't think that was particularly well thought of.
There is also an iOS App Called THX Tune-up that Airplays a series of test scenes to the AppleTV with guides on how to adjust the TV settings (contrast, brightness, R/G colour etc) which I used to use back in the day.
More recent TVs (especially high models from the big 4 manufacturers) tend to be fairly well calibrated from the factory. There will be some shades of some colours that are less accurate than others (delta E >3), but the average delta E is typically < 3. (Delta E of 3 is the largest difference between the picture and the reference point that cannot be perceived by the human eye).These modern sets (from 2020 onwards) tend to have a mode called Filmmaker mode that is designed to turn off all the motion smoothing features that make films look awful (the dreaded soap-opera effect). I don't think a TV from 2013 is likely to have many motion smoothing options unless it is a very high end set. For an LED TV, the only option I would recommend is black frame insertion, which comes at the cost of slightly lower brightness. Pretty much all motion interpolation from this era was pretty poor (either introduced artifacts or gave stuttering or soap opera effect)
there is film mode and cinema mode now which makes it even more confusing
Whoa, lol. I think of screen brightness as making the whole screen brighter not areas of the picture. One is in a pitch black room with a few objects. Lots of smaller lights are lighting just the objects only so when one looks at the room they see the objects but the background remains black that's OLED brightness to me.
The same room having bigger and fewer lights would light the room and objects equally is screen brightness to me.
Again, I could be so wrong but that's how it makes sense to me, lol.
Every year, LG, Sony, Panasonic and a few others improve on OLED brightness not picture brightness or as phrehdd stated
Two settings I just don't use 🤮
I tried each for about a month but I just couldn't take it.
I tried the film mode on my old samsung tv , and now I see what they mean by default color calibration is too blue. Although the film mode on my tv is a little better than the yellow/brownish on newer tv's I saw. Those ones look like how they portray mexico in movies.
The other complication is when the movies themselves aren't calibrated "correctly". For example I'm convinced that the last Harry Potter on Blu-ray has been over-darkened to compensate for most people having their brightness too high. Watching that on my calibrated system, we could barely see anything (in fact, it spurred me to double-check the calibration afterwards, in case some settings had mysteriously reverted. They hadn't.)
A great point and example. I recall when DVDs came out, there was no real standard or rating for quality. Blu Ray faired no better with some being miserable and others, spectacular. Now we have 4k UHD movies and exactly the same thing. Interesting to note that that moves such as "Fifth Element" have people warning others to get certain issues of the film over others and explaining how the colours are shifted in certain issues (anniversary issues etc.). I know that some films that went from Blu Ray to 4k suffered some poor production and have a colour shift. This is a real pity.
around 2008 I insisted on watching a movie on Bluray to see what this Bluray HD is. I haunted a BD disc locally (not usa) for rental which was rare. we watched it on PS3 IIRC and I was like "Thats it? this is Bluray quality?"
It was thriller/drama so no fancy CGI but it was on par with DVD if not less. I still wonder if the TV we watched on was not 1080p/720 although it was flat screen and had HDMI inputs if am not mistaken.
If it looked worse than DVD then something was wrong. Blu-ray has much higher resolution than DVD (5-6 times as many pixels), better colour accuracy, and in some cases a frame rate more faithful to the cinema release. Of course, a poorly-configured player or TV could offset those benefits, and as phrehdd said there are some bad transfers (I actually have a couple of discs that are clearly taken from standard definition masters and then upscaled).
As I complain often enough (in the past) about there are no standards nor "ingredients" listing on disc boxes. Here is a situation that is not uncommon - a DVD that is upscaled to 1080p then said to be "Blu Ray" and it will always be only as good as the original DVD other than smoother edges with respect to contrast. We can get also a master that is greater resolution than 1080p and often downscaled which one done correctly can be quite impressive. Similarly some 4k UH discs we buy are mastered from 2k source material so they are upscaled to 4k. All these variations should require an "ingredients" listing as in tell us what's the source material used, what corrections were made and so forth. If it was upscaled say so and down scaled say so...The buy truly needs to beware. I have seen discussions on Lord of the Rings where the 4k version has in some scenes a slight green cast to it and some "purists" complain like crazy about it. They are right to complain if it strays further from the movie and the blue ray version.
Watching two people speaking over a kitchen table in HD doesn't look as impressive as CGI fiasco. I bet Lord of the Rings on DVD would look much more impressive than Home Alone on Bluray.
The movie was Wild Things from 1998. I looked at AVforums.com and they gave the picture quality on that release 7/10.
The problem is standardization. Blu-ray Disc Association should not let any one release on BD except with specific standards like source should be 1080P or higher no DVD transfers.
In any case, BD is as good as dead now. I do not suppose the current consumer is up to go out of the house, haunt a specific BD disc for the movie he wants, pay $20 for it, then be attached to a TV setup to watch it. Its just so much more convenient to click rent on your Apple TV app that is pre-installed on your device and you can watch it anywhere you like. 99% of people wouldn't be able to tell a difference. Heck they used to watch movies on VHS and were happy.
Shockingly, I looked at the local electronic stores and they do not seem to have BD/DVD players any more albeit I am not in USA but you get where this is going.
how do you get a green cast even on a transfer? it must have been added in there.
Sadly, the discs themselves, are no longer easily obtained for BD and UHD. I use the Big River on line for purchases now. I prefer to "archive" them to drive and have my library accessible that way. To each their own.
We have a place called JB Hi-Fi, which has heaps of them (along with shelves and shelves of vinyl records!)
I'll be honest - I truly wish they had a place like this where I reside now. We have a Best Buy - no real discs there now. We have a Walmart - same thing. I look as I said, to Amazon now. I do have some items I get on streaming as the quality doesn't need to be any better than TV (given mostly TV shows I am happy to stream by season binging).
is Big River a local store?
This is no surprise I nearly never heard of some one personally who rips a BD disc. BD writers are a rarity though. I think maybe someone somewhere in corporate uses them but its getting pretty scarce let alone BD writer software itself.
End of an era I guess.
Yes the disc market is shrinking which is a shame. BD writers/readers are easily obtained (at least in the US). Archiving discs to drive is done with at least two software offerings.
eBay can also be good. I also found out recently that the very good used online bookstore Thriftbooks also has digital media.