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VA Tech's system gets more updates than Mac OS X! :rolleyes:

I doubt that Apple would update XServes to 2.3Ghz from 2.0Ghz. My guess is they'll go to 2.5Ghz. Apple was probably planning on releasing 2.3Ghz XServes earlier this year but couldn't get enough supply of the chips from IBM, so they gave the ones they did have to VA Tech.

JOD8FY
 
JOD8FY said:
VA Tech's system gets more updates than Mac OS X! :rolleyes:

I doubt that Apple would update XServes to 2.3Ghz from 2.0Ghz. My guess is they'll go to 2.5Ghz. Apple was probably planning on releasing 2.3Ghz XServes earlier this year but couldn't get enough supply of the chips from IBM, so they gave the ones they did have to VA Tech.

JOD8FY
There's a reason why Apple would go to 2.3 GHz rather than 2.5 GHz: cooling. Remember that the 2.5 GHz chip requires liquid cooling in the PowerMac G5. There isn't room for such a system in the XServe. That doesn't change the supply issues Apple/IBM are having with the 2.3/2.5 GHz chips right now, though.
 
there's plenty of room for liquid cooling, but less need

wrldwzrd89 said:
Remember that the 2.5 GHz chip requires liquid cooling in the PowerMac G5. There isn't room for such a system in the XServe.

Two points....

1. As has been said repeatedly, the liquid cooling in the PM 2.5 is to reduce the noise, not because there's some magical boundary somewhere between 2.3 and 2.5 that *requires* liquid cooling. The XServe makes a lot of noise, it isn't a big deal if it makes a little more because the fans need to spin faster for a 2.5.

2. While the big brick of a cpu/cooling assembly from the PM won't fit in a 1U rack, a redesigned unit could easily fit in the 1.5" space available in a rack system. Again, the lack of concern about the noise level means that a smaller radiator with higher speed fans, and a more powerful pump, could be used.


Note that you can buy 1U systems with dual 100+ watt 3.6 GHz 90nm Nocona CPUs (or a 1U with quad 90watt Opterons) - surely Apple's engineers could be as innovative as those on the x86 side....
 
AidenShaw said:
Two points....

1. As has been said repeatedly, the liquid cooling in the PM 2.5 is to reduce the noise, not because there's some magical boundary somewhere between 2.3 and 2.5 that *requires* liquid cooling. The XServe makes a lot of noise, it isn't a big deal if it makes a little more because the fans need to spin faster for a 2.5.

2. While the big brick of a cpu/cooling assembly from the PM won't fit in a 1U rack, a redesigned unit could easily fit in the 1.5" space available in a rack system. Again, the lack of concern about the noise level means that a smaller radiator with higher speed fans, and a more powerful pump, could be used.


Note that you can buy 1U systems with dual 100+ watt 3.6 GHz 90nm Nocona CPUs (or a 1U with quad 90watt Opterons) - surely Apple's engineers could be as innovative as those on the x86 side....
That disproves the cooling hypothesis....so there's GOT to be a reason why Apple's going with 2.3 GHz PPC G5s for the XServes...I just can't determine what that reason would be.
 
wrldwzrd89 said:
That disproves the cooling hypothesis....so there's GOT to be a reason why Apple's going with 2.3 GHz PPC G5s for the XServes...I just can't determine what that reason would be.

A couple of possibilities:

1. The *existing* XServe heat sinks and cooling system can handle the chip at 2.3 GHz, but not the extra heat from running at 2.5 GHz. The chips at 2.3 could be stuck in with little effort, but 2.5 would have required re-engineering the cooling system.

2. Apple didn't have 2200 chips that would run at 2.5 GHz, and didn't want to shut down sales of the PM 2.5 in order to supply VAtech. They did, however, have a bunch of chips that wouldn't run at 2.5 GHz but which were OK at 2.3 - viola!


Note that there isn't a "2.5 GHz" manufacturing line and a "2.0 GHz" manufacturing line. There's one line, and all the different speed chips start out identically.

After the chips are manufactured, they are tested. Due to differences at the atomic level between chips from the same wafer, different chips from the same wafer will have different maximum speeds. You could easily have a 1.6 GHz chip come from right beside a 2.5 GHz chip on the same wafer.

Typically, you'll find that chips that will run at super-fast speeds are rare compared to slower chips.

Since Apple is currently has no product between 2.0 and 2.5 GHz, one can assume that there are a bunch of chips around that will run faster than 2.0 GHz, but won't quite make it to 2.5 GHz.

(IBM is only selling 1.6 GHz systems, although the Spanish cluster was described as using 2.2 GHz CPUs.)
 
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