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If Samsung didn’t have to pay the entire original verdict for copying the iPhone, Apple sure as hell shouldn’t have to pay the original verdict for this baloney lawsuit.

And no, I’m not going to continue a conversation about whether or not Samsung copied the iPhone.
Will you continue it if I agree? :D
The smoking gun was that they had documents showing how to copy iPhone features in Samsung phones.
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There is no such thing as a patent troll. There isn’t and never will be a law that mandates a company or an individual to use their patents to create products. Patent troll is simply an invented term used by the PR teams of large corporations.
It's what they say internally too. The patent trolls are likened to bandits because they play the same sort of game. When hit with these lawsuits, it's better for the big corp to settle out of court for that particular instance, but doing that made the problem worse because it encouraged more to try it. So now they fight in court despite the cost. They care more that the troll doesn't make money.

Sure patents should be protected regardless of use, but that's also abusable.
 
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More like: if someone owned no property whatsoever, but patented the IDEA of putting a theme park on some property... yet, 10 years later- they haven’t done so. Then should nobody be able to build a theme park on their own property without paying these clowns out the nose?
That’s FAR more in line with this situation.
Apple isn’t trying to take something physical that someone owns. They, in the normal course of progress, need to solve certain problems... made more difficult by the fact that scumbags have hoarded patents pertaining to future products that they have ZERO interest in. If they don’t get paid & a less efficient way is used, consumers lose... if these dregs of society do get their sleazy way & actual companies that make us real products have to pay them & the costs are passed on, again- consumers lose.
There is no scenario in their winning where anybody ends up better, save the underhanded patent trolls themselves.
This company isn’t breaking any laws and if the tech that they hold patemts for is used. Apple has to pay them. As does any other company.
 
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This company isn’t breaking any laws and if the tech that they hold patemts for is used. Apple has to pay them. As does any other company.
You realize you’re talking about different things, right? You’re talking about legality in its current state, and you’re right. He’s talking about morality, and he’s right. The landlord might be within his rights to start eviction proceedings on a little old widow who’s one day late on the rent, but that doesn’t make it the right thing to do. Patent trolls might be within their rights, but no one, not even the staunchest troll supporter, could successfully argue that sitting on unused patents to poach settlements & verdicts was the original point of patents.
 
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You realize you’re talking about different things, right? You’re talking about legality in its current state, and you’re right. He’s talking about morality, and he’s right. The landlord might be within his rights to start eviction proceedings on a little old widow who’s one day late on the rent, but that doesn’t make it the right thing to do. Patent trolls might be within their rights, but no one, not even the staunchest troll supporter, could successfully argue that sitting on unused patents to poach settlements & verdicts was the original point of patents.
Morals are not what counts legally. The world is based on capitalism. As of now no laws are being broken. Morals are highly overrated. You always look out for yourself or your family
 
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Morals are not what counts legally. The world is based on capitalism. As of now no laws are being broken. Morals are highly overrated. You always look out for yourself or your family

You can look out for yourself and your family without being immoral.
 
but no one, not even the staunchest troll supporter, could successfully argue that sitting on unused patents to poach settlements & verdicts was the original point of patents.

Uh, yes I can. Not the "sitting" part, because I'm really not sure what you mean and the doctrine of laches and equitable estoppel prohibits a patent owner from warehousing patents and not sueing when they know of potential infringement.

But the original point of patents includes patents being transferable assets that can be enforced by new owners. The system of patents only works if patent have value. Patents have value if they can be bought and sold on a marketplace. Patents have value on said marketplace if the buyer, new owner, can find licensees to pay for a license. Licensees will only pay a license if they are compelled through threat of litigation.

I'm not a "troll" supporter, but I think the term "patent troll" is used WAY too broadly these days to basically include all plaintiffs. The companies that actually abuse patents are actually very very rare. VirnetX is not a troll.
 
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Uh, yes I can. Not the "sitting" part, because I'm really not sure what you mean and the doctrine of laches and equitable estoppel prohibits a patent owner from warehousing patents and not sueing when they know of potential infringement.

But the original point of patents includes patents being transferable assets that can be enforced by new owners. The system of patents only works if patent have value. Patents have value if they can be bought and sold on a marketplace. Patents have value on said marketplace if the buyer, new owner, can find licensees to pay for a license. Licensees will only pay a license if they are compelled through threat of litigation.

I'm not a "troll" supporter, but I think the term "patent troll" is used WAY too broadly these days to basically include all plaintiffs. The companies that actually abuse patents are actually very very rare.

not to be pedantic, but https://www.ipwatchdog.com/wp-conte...ity-Baby-Products-Mar.-21-2017-No.-15-446.pdf
 
Simply that laches in patent law is pretty much dead, as per the Supreme Court.
It's not dead per se, the principles still exist and are indeed promoted by 35 USC 286. In other words, 35 USC 286 as interpreted by SCOTUS gives certainty and clarity to the time limit, but do not overrule the equitable principles at all. Basically, 6 years is now a definite line in the sand, but it's still iffy. Claims brought after 6 years are still subject to the common law laches defense.

Even though that decision is often viewed as friendly to patent owners, I argue it's a split. Six years out of a 20 year term is a relatively short amount of time for patent owners to discover and investigate potential infringement.
 
It's not dead per se, the principles still exist and are indeed promoted by 35 USC 286. In other words, 35 USC 286 as interpreted by SCOTUS gives certainty and clarity to the time limit, but do not overrule the equitable principles at all. Basically, 6 years is now a definite line in the sand, but it's still iffy. Claims brought after 6 years are still subject to the common law laches defense.

Even though that decision is often viewed as friendly to patent owners, I argue it's a split. Six years out of a 20 year term is a relatively short amount of time for patent owners to discover and investigate potential infringement.
Like I said, I was being pedantic. And while laches is still plead, I am unaware of any recent cases where it’s gone anywhere.
 
Like I said, I was being pedantic. And while laches is still plead, I am unaware of any recent cases where it’s gone anywhere.
Agreed it's rarely an issue that reaches trial - though I've certainly seen defendants cause some trouble in discovery and motion practice using the issue of laches; only to be dropped later. I think that's because it's a pretty weak defense long term. It's not a great look to hang your hat on the equities when it looks like conceding infringement and validity.
 
So if someone buys some property and doesn't build a building on the land, in your opinion they are a property troll? And apple is free to build on the land?

Yes it is "property troll". In some countries the state can take back these "unused land" after a certain period being languished.
 
Yes it is "property troll". In some countries the state can take back these "unused land" after a certain period being languished.

In Colorado, you can lose your water rights if you do not document and prove that you are using them. This mostly affects agricultural uses.
 
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