while currently waiting for my 2.5, i installed vpc7 on my 400mhz g4 laptop, and it's horrible. start up is around 5 mins. anyhow, once my 2.5 arrives, i plan to install, autocad 2000, 3d studio max 6, rhino, and catia. i think a few people asked about some of those programs. hopefully the key server for my school will work. i'll report how things run when i get the chance.
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gMacMan said:
This is why a black screen keeps coming up after installation. Man Microsoft really mucked this one up bad. There is absolutely no way I am yanking 6GBs worth of ram out of my machine just for this crap. I think I am gonna return it and get my money back! I feel this can only get worse, and when will they address the problem. How long are we supposed to wait on that. Hell these machines are called PowerMac! Some of us are going to put more than 2GBs of ram in the machine. I guess that is what I get for topping it off.. jaromski said:
Of equal importance is whether VPC v7 will run ArcGIS at a reasonable speed. I ran ArcGIS 8.3 under VPC6, but I had to severely restrict WinXP (actually, a good thing in general anyway) to get any reasonable speed in the application. I actual got to the point that ArcGIS ran adequately enough to use it as my primary workstation instead of the Windoze box I also had sitting on my desk.
Hmmm, I wonder if anyone has published all the things you can turn off/rip out of WinXP (and other flavors) to increase the efficiency of the local configuration. I should put together a web page on what I did so we can compare notes.
As long as VPC v7 is more efficient overall I actually have pretty high hopes that it can run ArcGIS (and maybe AUTOCAD/AUTODESK) reasonably well, though I certainly don't expect performances at the same level as on a comparable Windoze box.
Ah well. Baby steps are better then no steps.
Bill
jaromski said:
Send the same message to ESRI!!!!
There is an old version (3.x) of ArcGIS that is native for OS9, but then they made the crappy decision to switch to a Windoze-only development when they went to 8.x some years back. Feh.At least ESRI offers a Java approach for developing custom GIS applications, so I guess it is possible someone will code a Java version of the core software to offer to non-Windoze platforms, though this should be done by ESRI itself sooner then later. It seems a no-brainer to me for ESRI to offer a Java version of their core software as it would open up their market to Unix, Linus, and OS X, something they don't have right now. Come on guys, at least be faithful to your earlier business philosophy and follow the money.
Bill
barneynibbs said:
There is a way to run a more efficient, stripped-down version of XP-- it's called Windows 2000. XP is dreadful when it comes to bloat. well all microsoft products are dreadful really, but XP is especially bad. but as far as MS goes, 2K is the best they've come up with, IMO. 2000 runs faster than XP, you should give it a shot. But it doesn't have all that pretty, "innovative" eye candy that XP has...
jaromski
Sorry if this was mentioned before in this thread, I did do a search first...
So is VPC 7 specifically optimized for the G5 (i.e. it's especially faster because of G5 optimizations), or did MS just put in some quick hacks to make it compatible (i.e. using VPC 7 with a G5 is not that much faster than with a G4 because the faster speed of the G5 cancels out with the slowness because it was a quick hack?).
So is VPC 7 specifically optimized for the G5 (i.e. it's especially faster because of G5 optimizations), or did MS just put in some quick hacks to make it compatible (i.e. using VPC 7 with a G5 is not that much faster than with a G4 because the faster speed of the G5 cancels out with the slowness because it was a quick hack?).
FredAkbar said:
or maybe connectix knew about the g5's long ago and put in all the code but commented it out till they were released....and microsoft just uncommnted the code and claimed they did it?
I just installed Windows 2000 in VPC7 on my lunch break today. Got it up to speed with SP4 and all the updates as well. All in less than an hour. It performs pretty well - surprised mejaromski said:
Too bad the video only emulates the S3 Trio 64...
VP6 better than VP7
VP7 runs slower on my iMac G5. It takes 3x longer to save and restore. XP reports I am running a 566Mhz. I get no improvement when I switch to highest processor speed.
On my eMac VPC 6 takes about 6 seconds to restore and reports I have a 664MHz processor! It also feels much faster.
eMac 1.25GHz 512MB 10.3.6 iMac 1.6GHz 512MB 10.3.6
VP7 runs slower on my iMac G5. It takes 3x longer to save and restore. XP reports I am running a 566Mhz. I get no improvement when I switch to highest processor speed.
On my eMac VPC 6 takes about 6 seconds to restore and reports I have a 664MHz processor! It also feels much faster.
eMac 1.25GHz 512MB 10.3.6 iMac 1.6GHz 512MB 10.3.6
Using VNC vs VPC
I gave up on VPC quite some time ago. I now have a PC interconnected via ethernet and am running the VNC client on the mac and VNC server on the PC. This puts a PC window on my Mac and it works fast and very well. PCs are cheap, and I use it for all of my PC stuff. Unfortunately this solution is not very portable. (I suppose if you could buy a PCM PC card this solution would also work.)
But this solution does work well.
You can also run this the other way and put a mac window on the pc. VNC is free.
I gave up on VPC quite some time ago. I now have a PC interconnected via ethernet and am running the VNC client on the mac and VNC server on the PC. This puts a PC window on my Mac and it works fast and very well. PCs are cheap, and I use it for all of my PC stuff. Unfortunately this solution is not very portable. (I suppose if you could buy a PCM PC card this solution would also work.)
But this solution does work well.
You can also run this the other way and put a mac window on the pc. VNC is free.
Ti-maniac said:
VNC is free but some ugly piece-of-crap peecee ISN'T free. Some of us don't want an ugly cluttersome peecee on our desks or within ten square miles of our Macs, not to mention giving money to their cause aside from some software emulation. It stinks VPeeCee isn't all that and a bag of chips but some of us who may have to suffer the windoze experience albeit briefly for any period of time will hold out hope someday they get it halfway decent. One machine is better than two.
