Vision Pro vs Meta Quest 3

[Ensyed]

I ordered a Quest 3 (already have a quest 2 gathering dust in a drawer) and preordered the Vision Pro demo. I was assuming that the VP will be underwhelming at 7X the price of a Q3 so I will likely keep the Q3 and return the VP. But I am open minded.

The reason why the Q2 is gathering dust is 1) PQ 2) poor user interface 3) discomfort 4) u are locked away from the world.

Both the Q3 and VP improve on all these factors.
The VP (based on the the store demo. I haven’t received mine yet) blows away the Q3 on both UI and PQ and not being locked away. I was very disappointed in the PQ of the Q3. If that was on par w the VP I would live w the other issues and save 3000.
I also hate the boundary on the Q3.

I will update after I spend more time w the VP.

But perhaps others can chime in.

 

[born2runak]

I bought the quest 3 in December , mostly out of excitement for the AVP, and knowing that I would not spend the money on it. My Q2 collected dust for a good while.

The Q3 is a treat to use with the passthrough mode. I really enjoy using it to browse the store /web/ YouTube videos etc. primarily though , the Q is a gaming device , and I do like VR games.

I tried the AVP demo…….and now the Q3 does seem like a fisher price toy. The Q is just so unrefined in comparison. The AVP software and interface is just so smooth and enjoyable. I still don’t want to spend the money on it, but it is really hard for me to not just yell “YOLO” and finance it.

 

[turbineseaplane]

One device is a gaming platform with an extensive library, among many other uses.

The other is basically a tech demo beta release, at least at the moment.

AVP hardware is obviously superior as it should be for 7x the cost

 

[Jensend]

It doesn't seem likely that if someone is letting their Quest 2 gather dust they'll be satisfied with the Quest 3.
Quest 3 is primarily a gaming console. It's better for games than the Vision Pro.
People here are divided on whether even the Vision Pro is good enough for productivity and whether the passthrough is good enough, but the Quest 3 is significantly worse at both (I haven't tried either yet, so that's just my impression from what people who have tried both have said).
The improved passthrough in the Q3 compared to the Q2 seems like it would be a nice bonus for someone who also uses their Quest to play games, but it doesn't seem likely that that feature alone would make the device worth it.

 

[Blackstick]

I tried the Q3... it's a gaming headset. AVP is a different situation, and the demo blew my mind... but I'm waiting for the next generation before jumping in. The ecosystem needs time for major developers (and Indies) to mature it.

I think 2025 (possibly late 2025) is the better move.

 

[fathergll]

I have a Quest Pro and had a Quest 2.

Meta software has been complete junk for years. My Quest Pro is bricked as I type this with the Meta logo boot loop issue which impacts all devices time to time. Hopefully I can get it working when the battery finally drains and then sell it for good. I've also had my Quest Pro bricked 1 time earlier this year. Not to mention issues with controller not being found randomly and other dumb bugs like the cable file transfer deny one. Quest 2 is also junk with similar issues.

Basically Meta sells the devices at a loss so it's super cheap hardware without the proper software to support it. Apple out did Meta out of the gate in the OS that has been out for less than a week in only 1 country in software when Meta has been at this for years. But it makes sense. Apple is company with decades of experience developing complicated software to hardware and Meta is a company founded on copying MySpace and making money selling user data. Ask yourself logically which company has a better shot of making a proper device along with the software to support it? My bet is on the company who has successfully developed an OS for personal computers, smartphones, tablets and smart watches.

 

[Macalicious2011]

I bought the quest 3 in December , mostly out of excitement for the AVP, and knowing that I would not spend the money on it. My Q2 collected dust for a good while.

The Q3 is a treat to use with the passthrough mode. I really enjoy using it to browse the store /web/ YouTube videos etc. primarily though , the Q is a gaming device , and I do like VR games.

I tried the AVP demo…….and now the Q3 does seem like a fisher price toy. The Q is just so unrefined in comparison. The AVP software and interface is just so smooth and enjoyable. I still don’t want to spend the money on it, but it is really hard for me to not just yell “YOLO” and finance it.

Apple Vision is great for Meta! They will learn what consumers like most about Apple's product and are willing to pay for. I believe that the software gap between Quest 3 and Vision Pro will close.

The DMA regulation in the EU are forcing Apple to allow alternative app stores and make all hardware APUs accessible to third parties.

In 12-18 months the fruit of that will be Quest 3 that's interoperable with iPhones are Macs.

 

[Eugr]

Q3 is a great hardware for the price, but it needs better software. If Meta learns from Apple and, say, brings Google Play Store to the platform so you could run any Android app without side loading, that would massively benefit the platform. I'm keeping both, but AVP is the only device I can actually use every day for my tasks.

 

[Macalicious2011]

Q3 is a great hardware for the price, but it needs better software. If Meta learns from Apple and, say, brings Google Play Store to the platform so you could run any Android app without side loading, that would massively benefit the platform. I'm keeping both, but AVP is the only device I can actually use every day for my tasks.

VR/AR headsets on Android will be as messy as tablets were. Lots of hardware choices but poor or non-existent software optimisation by developers. Meta is better off lobbying with law makers to force Apple to release software standards that will enable Meta and rivals to produce headsets that work with iOS. Basically opening a door to Apple's wall garden that will be significantly reinforced by Apple Vision.

 

[turbineseaplane]

The beauty of the Quest is that it's rather inexpensive so you can justify keeping it around if you only have 1 or 2 things you really use it for.

I know a variety of people who bought it ONLY for a game called Golf+, as one example

 

[Eugr]

Meta is better off lobbying with law makers to force Apple to release software standards that will enable Meta and rivals to produce headsets that work with iOS. Basically opening a door to Apple's wall garden that will be significantly reinforced by Apple Vision.

Oh, that would never happen, for a number of reasons, one being that Vision OS is a modified version of iOS/iPadOS, so to release something compatible with it, it will have to run VisionOS which is not something Apple will ever allow.

Android tablet space is a mess, but it would still be better than what Meta has now...

 

[Macalicious2011]

Oh, that would never happen, for a number of reasons, one being that Vision OS is a modified version of iOS/iPadOS, so to release something compatible with it, it will have to run VisionOS which is not something Apple will ever allow.

Android tablet space is a mess, but it would still be better than what Meta has now...

As a "minimum viable" AVP alternative it wouldn't need VisionOS. iTunes app for movies + Airplay for Mac connectivity would make a bit difference. However it's easier said than done as airplay has not been considered core technology by the EU and therefore Apple doesn't have to open it up to competitors.

Eitherway I will likely buy a cheaper Vision in 12-18 months. The product will inevitably drop to the price of a MacBook Pro which will make it more viable. I have a few things on my wish list like:

Brighter pass through
Better battery performance
No iSight
Wider field of view
Cheaper price

 

[born2runak]

Apple Vision is great for Meta! They will learn what consumers like most about Apple's product and are willing to pay for. I believe that the software gap between Quest 3 and Vision Pro will close.

The DMA regulation in the EU are forcing Apple to allow alternative app stores and make all hardware APUs accessible to third parties.

In 12-18 months the fruit of that will be Quest 3 that's interoperable with iPhones are Macs.

I dont doubt Meta is taking notes. The two things they will never have though, and still the one that makes Apple so enticing , is the ecosystem, and trust/privacy.

But with regards to the ecosystem- I read on Reddit that an AVP user reported that there was no way to import /export photos from AVP to other devices without having iCloud. That’s kind of hard to believe, but considering that AVP has no “plug in” functionality, I guess it is feasible. Just seems like a huge oversight

 

[turbineseaplane]

The two things they will never have though, and still the one that makes Apple so enticing , is the ecosystem, and trust/privacy.

..and the AVP will never have attractive mainstream pricing, nor the gaming library and developer buy in that the Quest enjoys.

 

[wonderings]

AVP is basically a solo use device, if you want to use it to interact with others in VR then Apple is currently not for you. I believe it will quickly change though, especially when they make a consumer version. The Quest is great for the social and gaming side of thing, plus the price tag. I was super excited about VR and pre ordered the original Oculus headset and had a computer beefy enough to use it. I did not end up using it much, the fact that I had to be connected to the computer was a big issue with VR and doing anything that involved any movement. I bought a Quest 2 a few years ago and that was great, still like it, watch movies on it now and then, use it for some social elements with friends who are far away. All this for a fraction of the cost of what Apple charges for the AVP and I am sure will be at least half the price of whatever consumer version they come out with, that will have paired down specs.

 

[Macalicious2011]

I dont doubt Meta is taking notes. The two things they will never have though, and still the one that makes Apple so enticing , is the ecosystem, and trust/privacy.

But with regards to the ecosystem- I read on Reddit that an AVP user reported that there was no way to import /export photos from AVP to other devices without having iCloud. That’s kind of hard to believe, but considering that AVP has no “plug in” functionality, I guess it is feasible. Just seems like a huge oversight

Agree. Meta has a huge trust problem. I don’t want a device that will forever tie me “sign in with Facebook”.

Zuck is in the business of selling ads. He would love for millions of Quests being deployed for collecting real world data.

 

[ovrlrd]

The DMA regulation in the EU are forcing Apple to allow alternative app stores and make all hardware APUs accessible to third parties.

1. The DMA only applies to people who live in the EU

2. It only applies to the iPhone and nothing else

I had to double check what thread I am replying in because none of this has anything to do with the Apple Vision Pro or the Quest 3.

 

[wonderings]

Agree. Meta has a huge trust problem. I don’t want a device that will forever tie me “sign in with Facebook”.

Zuck is in the business of selling ads. He would love for millions of Quests being deployed for collecting real world data.

Do you think you really can avoid being tracked when using anything online? I use Safari and the privacy report for this thread has 5 trackers. I wonder how many of Apple's own are not being shown as they have access to a HUGE amount of user data when you think of everything people use. From phones, computers, watches, they are/can track where we go, when we go, what we look at, what we search for, listen to, various vital health data, how much we walk, run, cycle etc. Apple may not sell their data but I can't believe they just ignore it all.

I have no ads in my Quest and can't say I am seeing any targeted ads in my browsing. I don't use any social media services so maybe that is why I am not noticing anything ad wise. I would not put my trust in Facebook, or Apple, or any other corporation. I expect anything I use online is collecting my data and I live with it.

A Facebook account is no longer required to use the Meta Quest, so that tie in is gone.

 

[sunny5]

Meta Quest 3's passthrough seems quite great despite 7 times more cheaper. But we gotta wait for Quest Pro 2 tho.

 

[deaglecat]

I tried the quick in-store demo of the Quest 3... 3 times. But each time, when it gets to the game demo (about 2 minutes in, after the boxing) the one with the big swinging pendulum, I get really queasy.

I guess VR won't work for me.

 

[wonderings]

I tried the quick in-store demo of the Quest 3... 3 times. But each time, when it gets to the game demo (about 2 minutes in, after the boxing) the one with the big swinging pendulum, I get really queasy.

I guess VR won't work for me.

It seems to be that way with some people. Though if it was your first time using VR I think it is similar to getting your sea legs. I remember when I first got the Oculus Rift. I never used VR before and spent close to an hour in it and felt nauseous after, felt a little sick the next time, but then it just went away and I have not had an issue. Now a good friend of mine has the Quest 2, along with a few other of my friends and he can't use it for anything that has "movement" in it. One game we enjoyed playing was a WW1 flight combat game. It is simple and lots of fun for a group, he can't be in it for more than a couple of minutes before feeling sick. I have meet a few other people who are the same way, they just never get their VR legs.

 

[G5isAlive]

But with regards to the ecosystem- I read on Reddit that an AVP user reported that there was no way to import /export photos from AVP to other devices without having iCloud. That’s kind of hard to believe, but considering that AVP has no “plug in” functionality, I guess it is feasible. Just seems like a huge oversight

There is a lot of misinformation on the AVP experience from people that have not used it enough to try various things. I can easily download pictures or movies from any server that I have tried to connect to, including my computers, my synology NAS, and DropBox (via safari), so that part is false to say you can't import photos. As for exporting, the APV automatically saves all pictures to iPhoto but from there you can save to files, and from there any server connection you want. I don't know, because I haven't worried about it if I can save out of iPhoto directly to a server. And I dont think you can avoid the iPhoto step for exporting.

 

[G5isAlive]

I tried the quick in-store demo of the Quest 3... 3 times. But each time, when it gets to the game demo (about 2 minutes in, after the boxing) the one with the big swinging pendulum, I get really queasy.

I guess VR won't work for me.

Well, VR is not the same as AR, and the Quest 3 is not the same as the APV. Have you tried the APV demo? You might be pleasantly surprised.

 

[G5isAlive]

Meta Quest 3's passthrough seems quite great despite 7 times more cheaper. But we gotta wait for Quest Pro 2 tho.

Did you watch the video as a small box, or fill screen? makes a big difference, in large screen, you pick up things like how much the Quest 3 warps things as you try to place windows, the background is more granular, etc. You wouldn't mistake which one you were in between the two. Having said that, the quest 3 did appear to be usable for the price.

 

[sunny5]

Did you watch the video as a small box, or fill screen? makes a big difference, in large screen, you pick up things like how much the Quest 3 warps things as you try to place windows, the background is more granular, etc. You wouldn't mistake which one you were in between the two. Having said that, the quest 3 did appear to be usable for the price.

I didnt say the quality is good. But truth be told, the passthrough quality itself looks better than AVP. Much more clear to me. But still, Quest 3 is 7 times more cheaper and if you wanna compare, you gotta do it with Quest Pro 2 in near future.