Vista 64-bit Madness!

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  1. Infrared macrumors 68000

    Infrared

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    I have a retail version of 32-bit Vista Business. But I'd like
    the 64-bit version so I can use all the memory in the Mac Pro.

    Well, as you may know, Microsoft doesn't actually sell a 64-bit
    retail version. You have to buy the 32-bit retail version first,
    and then ask them to post you (snail mail, not email) the 64-bit
    version. And there's a form to request a 64-bit DVD here:

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/64bit.mspx

    Ok, so far so good. Here's where it gets complicated. First, I
    don't like disclosing my card details online. There's too much
    fraud nowadays and Microsoft aren't exactly renowned for
    online security. And what's more, they ask you to click "Order
    Now" before they've even told you what the nominal handling fee
    is.

    So I decided to dial up Microsoft and order over the phone.
    Should be pretty simple, right? Apparently not. I have to speak
    to 5 or 6 different people. Every time I get transferred, I have
    to begin describing what I want from the start. I have to give
    every one of these people my name, and some of them can't even
    distinguish between my first name and my surname, referring to
    me as Mr <first name>.

    So eventually, after several calls over a 24 hour period, I get
    through to someone who can deal with this. Hooray! Or not. What
    they're going to do for me is go to the web link above, and
    they'll enter my details, and I'll tell them those details over
    the phone. They apparently have no other mechanism in place for
    ordering 64-bit Vista over the phone.

    So there I am, going through this convoluted process. The web
    page asks for some piece of info, they ask me over the phone, I
    tell them the info, they ask me to repeat what I've told them,
    then they read it back to me, I correct any mistakes, they read
    it back again, I confirm it, and then they enter it into the web
    page form and we move on to the next item. Sheesh.

    On the one hand I'm thinking, couldn't I just do this more
    easily myself online? On the other hand, I've got this far so
    I'm determined to push through to a conclusion, however silly
    the process may be. They wasted my time with these calls, and
    now I'm going to make them work for me. A sort of rudimentary
    justice if you like, even if it does inevitably waste yet more time.

    Eventually we get to the payment part. Up to 28 days for
    delivery, apparently. Wow, that's efficient! And note this: they
    still haven't told me how much money they want and now they want
    my card number. But it gets worse. They will only accept Amex,
    Visa or Mastercard. They won't accept my debit card, even though
    almost everyone else will these days. Oh, and I don't have any
    of the cards listed above.

    Now, excuse me while I go a tiny little bit insane.
     
  2. nick9191 macrumors 68040

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    I remember when I got a free beta of Vista back in 2006, it still hasn't arrived yet :D
     
  3. Infrared thread starter macrumors 68000

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    :)

    What Microsoft are doing is making the whole world slow
    down so Vista seems fast.
     
  4. velocityg4 macrumors 68040

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    I take it that you have already opened the package for the 32bit version. If you have not I would return it. Then you can directly order the 64bit version through Newegg.com plus you can get the OEM copy and save lots.

    I know you said you do not like to use a Credit Card online. But I have had no problems with Newegg and they accept many forms of payment, I think they also accept checks.

    Though I am amazed at how inefficient the process is for getting someone to use Windows, however I am not surprised. You would think they would be more responsive to retail purchases since MS makes probably at least 4 times as much off of a retail box than through an OEM like dell.
     
  5. Infrared thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Yes, I'm afraid I have opened it. It was previously installed on an iMac
    Core Duo, which was a 32-bit machine anyway.

    I'm pondering the legality of getting the 64-bit version off a torrent. If
    it is legal, I might consider that. As things stand, I appear to have a
    license for Microsoft software that Microsoft are withholding from me
    (either deliberately or through sheer incompetence).

    Cheers!
     
  6. kittiyut macrumors regular

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    To save you waiting time and money, just get the 64bit from anywhere and use your existing 32bit Key - which you already paid for. This is LEGAL.
     
  7. tgallant macrumors newbie

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    I just do not rec emend vista yet, xp with srvs pack 3 is way better in my opinion.
     
  8. Chocomonsters macrumors regular

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    Buy Vista Ultimate (retail version). I believe, there are couple retail versions that come with both Vista 64 and Vista 32 DVD. I have Vista Ultimate and it came with both Vista 64 and Vista 32 DVD.

    This is main advantage of buying retail version rather than OEM version as Vista Ultimate OEM version only comes with either Vista 64 or Vista 32.
     
  9. Infrared thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Thanks, choco, but I've already bought one retail version. Buying
    another at this point would not be economical. I don't know if the
    Vista anytime upgrade from Business to Ultimate would come with
    both 32-bit and 64-bit Vista disks.
     
  10. brand macrumors 601

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    Windows XP is the preferred OS when talking about 32-bit architectures. Windows XP 64-bit does not have support for many drivers or softwares.
    Windows XP 64-bit is not comparison to Vista 64-bit.

    Windows XP 32-bit > Vista 32-bit.
    Windows XP 64-bit < Vista 64-bit.
     
  11. DerekS macrumors 6502

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    Just wait until you start using it. :)

    I really wouldn't waste the time, myself.
     
  12. Infrared thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Yah, I know, silly me :)

    I just discovered you can't change the UI language without
    reinstalling unless you have "Ultimate". Eeks! I would have
    considered that capability basic, not ultimate.
     
  13. J@ffa macrumors 6502a

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    That's why you'll never work for Microsoft! :D

    Honestly, you need way too much background info to decipher Microsoft's product line these days. The worst that can be said about Apple's is that it doesn't have enough options — the 12" MacBook Pro, the silly saga of the midrange tower, stuff like that. Maybe they'd sell more copies of Vista if, I don't know, you didn't have to check your tax band to figure out whether you were a 'Home Basic' kinda guy, or worry that you're emasculating yourself if you pick the 'Business' edition over the 'Ultimate'. At least I can warn people that anything that comes bundled with Vista Basic is a POS (well, bundled with Vista anything if I'm totally honest, but there's not telling some people ;)).
     
  14. tgallant macrumors newbie

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    Vista is the best only for Picture quality.

    You can say that direct x 10 is so cool, but I haven't seen much of a diff. I would still say xp 32 is the best, 64 isn't worth it anyway, you wont be using more than 4gb ram, and you will see less compatibility issues with 32 anyway with xp or vista. by the way, 32bit can only support 4gb with any other memory on the system, even video.
     
  15. Infrared thread starter macrumors 68000

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    4GB sounds like a lot, but it will soon become constraining.

    An average machine today maybe comes with 2GB. In less
    than two years, that may be 4GB, assuming growth trends
    continue. And we're talking about average machines here,
    not supercomputers.

    It seems to me that Windows is approaching some sort of
    crisis point with regard to 64-bitedness. That is, we'll soon
    be at the stage where most Windows machine buyers want,
    need or expect 4GB+ of RAM, and there'd better not be any
    compatability issues because they'll need a 64-bit OS.
     
  16. Fonzijr1964 macrumors 68000

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    i dont even think Boot camp supports 64 bit does it
     
  17. CWallace macrumors 603

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    It does if you have Windows Vista 64 (which it has drivers for). It does not natively support (as in, it does not have drivers for) Windows XP 64 (though it will evidently allow you to install and boot it).
     
  18. Infrared thread starter macrumors 68000

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    My father ordered the DVD and it arrived last night.

    I've just installed it and here's the proof :) ------->

    Capture.PNG

    I guess that's why we all love windows ;)
     
  19. surflordca macrumors 6502a

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    Is this a full version or the upgrade? What version did you buy? I bought the upgrade Ultimate version and it came with both DVD's.
     
  20. Infrared thread starter macrumors 68000

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    The full retail version of Vista Business.
     
  21. Siron macrumors 6502

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    That's not true. Have you played Crysis in Vista 64 using the much, much better DX10. If not you should as it is better and faster than XP 32 - I know as I've played it on both OSs.
    Vista Business 64 is the way to go, no problem with drivers, BC supports it, and the newest games coming out this year will support DX10 so you will need Vista 64.
    Alan
     
  22. cokersa macrumors member

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    I believe that the DVD for either 64-bit or 32-bit includes all the binaries necessary for any version of Vista (Home, Business, Ultimate, etc). The only difference in loading the OS is the license key that you have. This is so you can upgrade from Home to Ultimate by just buying a license key - you should be able to use the same DVD. Of course, this doesn't let you move between 32-bit and 64-bit, just within versions of each. Reportedly, Microsoft could save a lot of money by producing the same DVD with all the binaries for all versions rather than having to burn different versions.

    I've been running Vista Ultimate 64 bit for over a year on my first gen Mac Pro - even before they had boot camp support for it. Its been the most stable Microsoft OS I've run (and I've run a lot of them). Just make sure you do a clean install.
     
  23. Infrared thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Yep. You can install any version you like in trial mode by not entering the
    serial number. The installer will give you a list of versions to choose from.
     
  24. kwfl macrumors 6502

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    i bought an oem 32-bit home premium version. vista sucks, but if there is anyway i can install it in my machine

    will the oem key works on the 64-bit installation.

    I mean, will it accept my OEM serial?
     
  25. Erwin-Br macrumors 6502a

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    I'm glad my employer is a MS Gold Partner, which means I have access to every MS title currently available (legally!). :D (Sorry, couldn't resist)

    I haven't installed Vista yet, though. I'm seriously considering skipping it.

    --Erwin
     

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