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Vista as the only OS on a C2D Imac
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You were all right about, that I cant see from pictures how Vista is.
VISTA IS AMAZING - better than I thought.
It so nice, professional and smooth, just AMAZING. And its not just AERO, everything looks so nice and clean. I love it. I couldnt stop smiling for about 5 minutes after the first log in into Vista. No hunting for drivers, it looked and sounded amazing. Even sleep works after the Imac Boot update. I love it!!!! I love the security, major upgrade from XP and User Account Control is perfect like on a Mac except I just need to click on allow it and not put my password in every time. Nothing like clicking 14 times to delete something or BS like that I heard. I run Vista for 2 days without a Antivirus program because there was no chance I could get one (except if someone would heck it but I dont belive someone will before Vista will be released). UAC always came up and put the alert right in front of every windows if something wanted to be installed from the internet or where ever. Its not annoying at all which I read. I hope it wont get hacked, because its just perfect for now, but only time will tell
Transparency is made very smart, I can have a 100 windows over a windows and it will not be a problem at all. No driver issues, no stability issues, no software compatibillity issues for the apps I wanted to install. Just Perfect
I love everything about Vista and its for sure worth the upgrade and the money. I will definately buy it and Office 2007 is amazing also. nothing like that out there.
And for people who said Vista is a slight upgrade to XP. I didnt know where to start when I logged into Vista for the first time. So many new things.
It looks very similar to XP but is a big difference between XP, A BIG DIFFERENCE - AND ITS NOT JUST AERO
For me all advantages the Mac had over Windows are gone with Vista (except security could be a problem when Vista is released). Thats because Windows copied a lot of what i like about Mac and in my opinion made it better and I dont care I dont work for apple and at the end it only matters to me which company makes the better product.
What I liked about Mac OSX and is now better or as good as in Vista
Speed - Vista is not slow at all, faster than XP, same as Mac OSX and same speed as working with universal apps. It even boots up at about the same time as mac osx
Stability - Very stabil not one crash even with drivers in beta and a lot of software not compatibile with Vista. Amazing! As on the Mac
Sleep - It works now beautifully in Vista as on the Mac due the Imac boot update yesterday, before it didnt when I tried but didnt expect it to work because it didnt on XP for me
Software & Games (what every windows user says what he doesnt like about mac🙂 )- More for Windows than Mac
Security (what every Mac user says to Windows users is better on Mac🙂 -
Macs security is very good of course, but Vistas security is a major upgrade form XP. I love UAC and if I wouldnt worry about people hacking Windows security (which I do, happened in the past and still does with XP and later versions I think) I wouldnt install an antivirus program or spyware program, because I am an experienced user and for sure would know when UAC alerts me and a virus would want to install itself, and I would just have to deny it. And I Love the protective mode in Internet explorer
GUI - I dont wanna go even there, I think everybody knows with a good System that will run Vista like my C2D Imac does, which is better, to some it doesnt matter to some its almost everything, but like I said if Vista would be slow in performance I would format it straight away
Search function is the same but didnt use it too much yet so I dont know in detail.
Flip 3d is better for me. because its 3d not 2d like in mac and you can scroll in3d through windows I love it. When you have a lot of windows open vistas way of expose is much better with the scrolling through windows in my opinion.
Sidebar is perfect for me because I didnt use it too much in Mac OSX and wouldnt be usefull in Vista also if it wouldnt be on the desktop. Its nice for feeds ( I see important headlines more often because its on the desktop) and things like that and also looks good, much better than in pictures I looked at first before trying Vista😀
Sidebar is now in Vista like in Mac OSX Finder is the same and you can add folders to it
Thats all I can think of at the moment
Whats Mac has and I cant use on Vista
I liked frontrow and would be nice if i could use the apple remote with Windows Media center but I think that will never happen.
Ilife is very good, liked it very much, but there is something similar for Windows for sure (not as good but similar) and some similar apps included in Ilife come with Vista for free
Thats all I can think of at the moment
There are so many things I like about Vista its for sure worth the upgrade no doubt in my opinion.I could write 5 pages about what I like. And the way vista handles problems is just amazing.
When I wanted to install apples keyboard support and the installation hung. It just automatically like in XP came a window to end the task and I was beside that copying something from a DVD and downloading something from the internet and defragmentation was running and search indexing (defragmentation and indexing slows down if you are doing a lot of things at the same time or pauses and continues automatically after you stop - I love it) Unlike Xp it just forced the installation to quit and everything else was still running, in xp all would start hanging or it would close every open program. And after that it tried to look for a solution to the problem over the internet - I love it.
And above I said I didnt have a problem with Vista I still mean it, it was nothing close to a problem. It solved everything automatically
And the bad things you all said about Vista could be maybe because you used betas and RC which had problems and I used the final RTM version. I am sure its that, there were a lot of inner windows builds between RC2 and the final RTM which were just in the windows labs but not released outside of windows (dont know how to explain this but its true I read it somewhere but cant remember where)
I feel kinda bad for using a software right now for free. Microsoft put a lot of work in it but hey it also took 5 years. (and it took 5 years because after 2 years they had to start from scratch and build Vista upon Windows 2003 Server and not Xp like they did the first 2 years because they screwed up something)
And the serch thing like spotlight on the mac was actually from windows I read but they couldnt make it to work and apple heard about it and put it into mac and made it to work and for the Widgets I am sure a lot of you know Apple took it from konfubulator.
All I am trying to say is apple does it the same as Microsoft it just looks like microsoft does it more often
I also have Office 2007 RTM Ultimate and its amazing, nothing like that out there. It suprised me how good it is. Most of all I like outlook and OneNote
VISTA IS AMAZING - better than I thought.
It so nice, professional and smooth, just AMAZING. And its not just AERO, everything looks so nice and clean. I love it. I couldnt stop smiling for about 5 minutes after the first log in into Vista. No hunting for drivers, it looked and sounded amazing. Even sleep works after the Imac Boot update. I love it!!!! I love the security, major upgrade from XP and User Account Control is perfect like on a Mac except I just need to click on allow it and not put my password in every time. Nothing like clicking 14 times to delete something or BS like that I heard. I run Vista for 2 days without a Antivirus program because there was no chance I could get one (except if someone would heck it but I dont belive someone will before Vista will be released). UAC always came up and put the alert right in front of every windows if something wanted to be installed from the internet or where ever. Its not annoying at all which I read. I hope it wont get hacked, because its just perfect for now, but only time will tell
Transparency is made very smart, I can have a 100 windows over a windows and it will not be a problem at all. No driver issues, no stability issues, no software compatibillity issues for the apps I wanted to install. Just Perfect
I love everything about Vista and its for sure worth the upgrade and the money. I will definately buy it and Office 2007 is amazing also. nothing like that out there.
And for people who said Vista is a slight upgrade to XP. I didnt know where to start when I logged into Vista for the first time. So many new things.
It looks very similar to XP but is a big difference between XP, A BIG DIFFERENCE - AND ITS NOT JUST AERO
For me all advantages the Mac had over Windows are gone with Vista (except security could be a problem when Vista is released). Thats because Windows copied a lot of what i like about Mac and in my opinion made it better and I dont care I dont work for apple and at the end it only matters to me which company makes the better product.
What I liked about Mac OSX and is now better or as good as in Vista
Speed - Vista is not slow at all, faster than XP, same as Mac OSX and same speed as working with universal apps. It even boots up at about the same time as mac osx
Stability - Very stabil not one crash even with drivers in beta and a lot of software not compatibile with Vista. Amazing! As on the Mac
Sleep - It works now beautifully in Vista as on the Mac due the Imac boot update yesterday, before it didnt when I tried but didnt expect it to work because it didnt on XP for me
Software & Games (what every windows user says what he doesnt like about mac🙂 )- More for Windows than Mac
Security (what every Mac user says to Windows users is better on Mac🙂 -
Macs security is very good of course, but Vistas security is a major upgrade form XP. I love UAC and if I wouldnt worry about people hacking Windows security (which I do, happened in the past and still does with XP and later versions I think) I wouldnt install an antivirus program or spyware program, because I am an experienced user and for sure would know when UAC alerts me and a virus would want to install itself, and I would just have to deny it. And I Love the protective mode in Internet explorer
GUI - I dont wanna go even there, I think everybody knows with a good System that will run Vista like my C2D Imac does, which is better, to some it doesnt matter to some its almost everything, but like I said if Vista would be slow in performance I would format it straight away
Search function is the same but didnt use it too much yet so I dont know in detail.
Flip 3d is better for me. because its 3d not 2d like in mac and you can scroll in3d through windows I love it. When you have a lot of windows open vistas way of expose is much better with the scrolling through windows in my opinion.
Sidebar is perfect for me because I didnt use it too much in Mac OSX and wouldnt be usefull in Vista also if it wouldnt be on the desktop. Its nice for feeds ( I see important headlines more often because its on the desktop) and things like that and also looks good, much better than in pictures I looked at first before trying Vista😀
Sidebar is now in Vista like in Mac OSX Finder is the same and you can add folders to it
Thats all I can think of at the moment
Whats Mac has and I cant use on Vista
I liked frontrow and would be nice if i could use the apple remote with Windows Media center but I think that will never happen.
Ilife is very good, liked it very much, but there is something similar for Windows for sure (not as good but similar) and some similar apps included in Ilife come with Vista for free
Thats all I can think of at the moment
There are so many things I like about Vista its for sure worth the upgrade no doubt in my opinion.I could write 5 pages about what I like. And the way vista handles problems is just amazing.
When I wanted to install apples keyboard support and the installation hung. It just automatically like in XP came a window to end the task and I was beside that copying something from a DVD and downloading something from the internet and defragmentation was running and search indexing (defragmentation and indexing slows down if you are doing a lot of things at the same time or pauses and continues automatically after you stop - I love it) Unlike Xp it just forced the installation to quit and everything else was still running, in xp all would start hanging or it would close every open program. And after that it tried to look for a solution to the problem over the internet - I love it.
And above I said I didnt have a problem with Vista I still mean it, it was nothing close to a problem. It solved everything automatically
And the bad things you all said about Vista could be maybe because you used betas and RC which had problems and I used the final RTM version. I am sure its that, there were a lot of inner windows builds between RC2 and the final RTM which were just in the windows labs but not released outside of windows (dont know how to explain this but its true I read it somewhere but cant remember where)
I feel kinda bad for using a software right now for free. Microsoft put a lot of work in it but hey it also took 5 years. (and it took 5 years because after 2 years they had to start from scratch and build Vista upon Windows 2003 Server and not Xp like they did the first 2 years because they screwed up something)
And the serch thing like spotlight on the mac was actually from windows I read but they couldnt make it to work and apple heard about it and put it into mac and made it to work and for the Widgets I am sure a lot of you know Apple took it from konfubulator.
All I am trying to say is apple does it the same as Microsoft it just looks like microsoft does it more often
I also have Office 2007 RTM Ultimate and its amazing, nothing like that out there. It suprised me how good it is. Most of all I like outlook and OneNote
I will do that. I also got the 64bit version of Vista (all on one cd) but wont install it yet and since I am very happy with 32 bit Vista and wont risk it. I will do it close to the Vista release in January when hopefully more drivers and software will be native 64 bit and to see the difference between 32 and 64 bit in speed
Nym
macrumors 6502a
Humm, think I'll give it a try, I have to see what Redmond has been foing for 5 years, lol.
Although I would never get rid of OSX but I will try Vista just to know what I'm talking about, then I'll give you my honest feedback.
By the way, does anyone know if the Adobe Creative Suite 2 is compatible with Vista? Because until the CS3 comes out as universal I really need a decent alternative to work with, photoshop is full of bugs running in OSX/Rosetta.
And Gambino, was it easy to install Vista? if it's too much of a problem to get it working I wont even try...
Although I would never get rid of OSX but I will try Vista just to know what I'm talking about, then I'll give you my honest feedback.
By the way, does anyone know if the Adobe Creative Suite 2 is compatible with Vista? Because until the CS3 comes out as universal I really need a decent alternative to work with, photoshop is full of bugs running in OSX/Rosetta.
And Gambino, was it easy to install Vista? if it's too much of a problem to get it working I wont even try...
Killyp
macrumors 68040
Dude, wait before you full switch over for Leopard to come out. Vista may seem cool at first, but it will wash over you pretty quickly...
Leopard is going to be amazing, Apple is almost certainly, well they ARE developing a new GUI. We know it's resolution independent already.
You do realise all these things you love about Vista are almost exactly the same as what OS X has had for years, and some cases Macs have had since the classic OS.
Sleep, speed, stability, viruses. Whoops! Forgot to mention that!
You know widgets, I mean gadgets? It's SO easy to write a gadget which automatically downloads and fills the entire screen? Or even wipes the hard drive? It's insane! A friend of mine showed me, it's so easy.
Vista will seem 'cool' at first, but a lot of these cool new things like Aero and Gadget will quickly turn out of date and open up flaws in the Windows OS which have been there since the beginning...
Leopard is going to be amazing, Apple is almost certainly, well they ARE developing a new GUI. We know it's resolution independent already.
You do realise all these things you love about Vista are almost exactly the same as what OS X has had for years, and some cases Macs have had since the classic OS.
Sleep, speed, stability, viruses. Whoops! Forgot to mention that!
You know widgets, I mean gadgets? It's SO easy to write a gadget which automatically downloads and fills the entire screen? Or even wipes the hard drive? It's insane! A friend of mine showed me, it's so easy.
Vista will seem 'cool' at first, but a lot of these cool new things like Aero and Gadget will quickly turn out of date and open up flaws in the Windows OS which have been there since the beginning...
Nym
macrumors 6502a
I agree with you 100% Killy, the thing is there has been so much fuss about Vista that I just want to install it to make sure that I don't want it, kinda "know your enemy" strategy, eheh.
And Leopard.... the wait........ 🙁 I wonder what the next Apple GUI will look like..... 🙂
Nym
macrumors 6502a
Yep, I guess that M$ is forgeting that half the world still works on 800x600 resolution and has less than 512 MB RAM in their pc's. This is an average of course but I guess it illustrates the fact that they're making an OS that is too demanding from a realistic point of view :O
I'm afraid to try Vista because I'm afraid it kills my OSX partition, don't know why but I don't trust it that much 🙂
I'm afraid to try Vista because I'm afraid it kills my OSX partition, don't know why but I don't trust it that much 🙂
Maxiseller
macrumors 6502a
You need a girlfriend.
I love this thread though - perfect for that early afternoon pick-me-up!
And I'm sorry for the girlfriend comment - I usually hate it when people say it to me, but jeeezzzz, some things have to be said!
Nym
macrumors 6502a
Maybe, but cant say anything now
I am also convinced apple will develp a new GUI. I wonder what there answer will be to AERO. Mac has come a long way in a short time I think. Some people mentioned here mac once had a transparency look and I googled about it and when I saw picture of it I was shocked I couldnt belive anyone was using a Mac. It looked worse than Windows Classic and the the transparency thing they wanted to make I think it was to early for it with the GUI they had at the time. I think it was year 2001 or 2003.
But on the other way I thought Mac has come a long way and gets always better. I already said I will maybe use Leopard once we will know more about it and all the features will be revealed. If its going to happen before 30 January I might hold off with the Vista purchase and test Leopard first. But for now I choose Vista over Tiger and Xp. In my opnion its better for me.
😀 😀 😀
This is such a weird thread! This guy is obsessed with vista🙄
Get over it, it's not that great🙄
Yeah I love Vista, and for two days I was almost the whole day on my Imac and slept only 5 hours and I even dreamed about Vista. And now its 4 o clock in the morning and I still cant turn of my Imac and go to bed. I am working in Office 2007 which is also amazing.
Its not that great😕 Dont say that to me, I am already a beliver in Vista, and only leopard can change my mind and the first thing it has to have is a new GUI. I dont belive it will be better than AERO, but I will give it a try anyway if it will have good features. Right now from the top ten features revealed I like native 64bit only
I feel about Vista like Microsoft its the biggest change (or something like that) since windows 3.1 to Windows 95
Nym
macrumors 6502a
Gambino, if I install Vista I'll give you my honest opinion about it, I doubt I will ever think that it's better than Tiger because I think that the OSX structure, core and multi-tasking capabilities are years ahead of Microsoft's, however, Vista can prove me wrong, I don't know..
However, you're not enjoying OSX because it's already here since 2001, if it came out now you would go crazy about it, the think why I think you are obsessed with Vista it's because it's new, (I also had that reaction when I saw the first Playstation 2), but in time you'll see that it's just another OS and that eye-candy isn't all, that's the hard task that I think Apple accomplished, making an OS that is both beautiful, fast, stable, safe and that even runs in a G3 Mac 🙂
But anyway, I'll give Vista a shot 🙂
However, you're not enjoying OSX because it's already here since 2001, if it came out now you would go crazy about it, the think why I think you are obsessed with Vista it's because it's new, (I also had that reaction when I saw the first Playstation 2), but in time you'll see that it's just another OS and that eye-candy isn't all, that's the hard task that I think Apple accomplished, making an OS that is both beautiful, fast, stable, safe and that even runs in a G3 Mac 🙂
But anyway, I'll give Vista a shot 🙂
wow I can't believe I read through this whole thread.
Tony Gambino, there is no way in the world that I can take you serious. Reading through this forum and seeing your responses and comments, I would say either someone at M$ paid you to do this.....OR.....
It's Steve pulling our leg to see if he can get a reaction. 😕
Thats just my take on this whole thread.
Tony Gambino, there is no way in the world that I can take you serious. Reading through this forum and seeing your responses and comments, I would say either someone at M$ paid you to do this.....OR.....
It's Steve pulling our leg to see if he can get a reaction. 😕
Thats just my take on this whole thread.
Nym
macrumors 6502a
Maybe Bill Gates has a Glock pointed to his chin and he's forcing him to type 😀 ahahah, I amuse myself.
You are right, if Mac OSX would come out I could go crazy about it. But I doubt I would stick with it in the long run over Vista. Like I said in the previous posts there is just something I like about windows and I miss it in OSX. I had that feeling since installing bootcamp after 3 months using only OSX but it didnt made me go back to XP because I hated the look of it and there were some other minore issues i had with XP on my mac which i didnt have on a pc - I wonder if apples drivers had somethibg to do with it.
With Vista now I think windows is almost perfect. It copied all I liked aout Mac. It improved where it was bad - security, stability, it doesnt make the computer run slow over time - with the superfetch technology and automatic schedule of hard drive defragmentation (i cant confirm that yet, I ony use it 2 days), no more hunting for drivers - It downloads them automatically via Windows update, and I also love Shadow copy which automatically makes a copy of your folders and files. You just have to right click on the folder - properties and you will see a tab to restore it to the previouse version - that is for files and folders only, and you still have system restore for the system - if you would have problems with the system.
And all my apps I need work with Vista, didnt try games out yet. i dont have a bad ting to say about Vista yet. Even the sound is better in quality I think but cant say for sure
I already said I am in love with vista, thats why I maybe sound like this. I dont say belive me but try it if you want. i am not like some guys here who said i should stick with Mac OSX. Maybe they really just want to be helpfull and had a bad experience with vistas betas and RC.
And Vistas experience depends on your system
And no I am not trying to sell Vista here but it just annoyed me a little to read all the bad things about vista here where nothing was true in my experience.
But when i read through my posts I really sound like I am getting paid to do this or obsessed with vista like some say
No wait there is one thing - Safari is faster than internet explorer, but I think everybody knows that, its like in xp
And for the memory usage - with outlook, internet explorer, sidebar, live one care (antivirus program - not scanning just activated) and a download running it uses from 1.5 gb 45% of ram (it never went over 50 yet no matter what I did in vista) and almost nothing CPU - it jumps from 0 to 10% most with those things running average i would say 4 %. I got a performance widget i mean gadget (i have to get used to it) in my sidebar thats why I know and looked at it a lot because some people said here vista runs slow and wanted to see
And one important thing you should keep in mind if you gonna try Vista, Mac OSX doesnt run well on every Mac computer, there are people in this forums who are having problems with it and thats why i always added "in my experience" at the end when I said something and wont say Vista will run great on your mac - because I dont know, or if you are having a 24 imac with an nvidia I dont know how there drivers are, or I know apple uses different brands of hard drives and superdrives in Imas so I dont know how your vista experience is going to be and if this matters or not, but on my Imac its excellent and get the RTM version if you can.
And I am not saying try Vista, just if you want.
And everything I said about my vista experience is true and if i could prove it somehow I would
And I am not saying try Vista, just if you want.
And everything I said about my vista experience is true and if i could prove it somehow I would
Vista might make this difficult...
Not to sound like a jerk, but I suspect you're already a bit crazy if you're excited about axing OS X for an as-yet-unreleased Windows operating system, (which is probably being hacked as I write this,) but I digress...
Be wary of dual booting before the cache of Windows flavours has been officially realeased. Rumours have circulated that Vista will only support dual booting on it's higher end (read: prohibitivaly expensive) versions. Conversly, other rumours have suggested that dual booting may not be possible at all, due to Vista's lack of EFI support. Whatever reasons, I did uncover this article at The Register, however, which may hint and part of the problem:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/27/schneier_infosec/
And this one, which touches base on the EFI protocol:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=30190
Thought you'd like to know before you kicked up $700 for transparent application windows.
Not to sound like a jerk, but I suspect you're already a bit crazy if you're excited about axing OS X for an as-yet-unreleased Windows operating system, (which is probably being hacked as I write this,) but I digress...
Be wary of dual booting before the cache of Windows flavours has been officially realeased. Rumours have circulated that Vista will only support dual booting on it's higher end (read: prohibitivaly expensive) versions. Conversly, other rumours have suggested that dual booting may not be possible at all, due to Vista's lack of EFI support. Whatever reasons, I did uncover this article at The Register, however, which may hint and part of the problem:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/27/schneier_infosec/
And this one, which touches base on the EFI protocol:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=30190
Thought you'd like to know before you kicked up $700 for transparent application windows.
Maxiseller
macrumors 6502a
Ok...
I can somewhat appreciate where you're coming from, but come on' Vista is ok sure - but it really IS Windows XP in a new skin.
I actually have Vista on my Macbook, and while it's very pretty (don't get too exited though, it's an OS not a pair of see through panties) it isn't very functional. All the initial tests point to a dramatic drop in performance in terms of music applications (that's what I read up on, so I can't talk about other apps) and doing small little things like trying to open an MP3 of some lecture recordings from uni caused me truly terrible experiences of which I've talked about in another thread.
I would be interested if, in a few months you could revisit this thread and tell us the true experience once the erection wears off!! (joke, love ya, this thread has made my day!)