vmware fusion & XP = ...not so impressed

[ayeying]

im on fusion 2 now.

are you guys getting good sound?

im using maudio fast track pro...ASIO drivers...and sound is crackling and horrible and distorted big time.... ive tried everything....
all the same : windows media player, soundforge, wavelab, cubase....

audio is horrible.

is this a vmware problem? or a windows xp problem? or an m-audio problem?

im gonna try bootcamp....ive heard its better for audio performance.

anybody using music producition packages on windowz xp on vmware fusion??? good audio? good latency?

cheers.

I know no one who uses a virtual machine for audio production. I don't even use vmware fusion for minor audio editing. I always use boot camp for any processor intensive programs.

 

[bob2131]

I know no one who uses a virtual machine for audio production. I don't even use vmware fusion for minor audio editing. I always use boot camp for any processor intensive programs.

so the music apps i mentioned (soundforge, cubase, wavelab) are intensive??

bootcamp would give better audio performance??

m-audio just told me they dont support bootcamp with their audio interface officially.

would i just treat bootcamp like a normal desktop windows pc?
like i would just install the latest drivers for my audio interface on theri, and thats it?? no other bootcamp or wahtever drivers?

thankyou.

 

[ayeying]

so the music apps i mentioned (soundforge, cubase, wavelab) are intensive??

bootcamp would give better audio performance??

m-audio just told me they dont support bootcamp with their audio interface officially.

would i just treat bootcamp like a normal desktop windows pc?
like i would just install the latest drivers for my audio interface on theri, and thats it?? no other bootcamp or wahtever drivers?

thankyou.

- Music applications are EXTREMELY cpu intensive. I use upwards of 50% or more just for minor work.
- Boot Camp, is a tool that helps installing Windows on a Macintosh. Its nothing else, its nothing special, its nothing different.
- M-Audio doesn't support bootcamp "officially" because you don't support hardware with boot camp. Boot camp is just a utility to partition your drive.
- Running windows on a Mac via boot camp method is EXACTLY like running a normal windows computer.
- Boot Camp drivers are required to make the system run. Same thing with getting a Dell or HP, you have drivers for Touchpad, Video, Audio, etc.

 

[t19880821]

- Boot Camp drivers are required to make the system run. Same thing with getting a Dell or HP, you have drivers for Touchpad, Video, Audio, etc.

Right. You need bootcamp drivers for it to function properly. HOWEVER, there are a few drivers that bootcamp supplies that aren't that great. For example, the MBP's 8600m GT, you can definitely download better drivers for that.

 

[bob2131]

- Music applications are EXTREMELY cpu intensive. I use upwards of 50% or more just for minor work.
- Boot Camp, is a tool that helps installing Windows on a Macintosh. Its nothing else, its nothing special, its nothing different.
- M-Audio doesn't support bootcamp "officially" because you don't support hardware with boot camp. Boot camp is just a utility to partition your drive.
- Running windows on a Mac via boot camp method is EXACTLY like running a normal windows computer.
- Boot Camp drivers are required to make the system run. Same thing with getting a Dell or HP, you have drivers for Touchpad, Video, Audio, etc.

so why did m-audio say they dont support me using windows xp via bootcamp?
so bootcamp drivers are required....are these installed when bootcamp is installed???

or would i just install the m-audio windowx xp drivers on windows on my mac???

thanks.

 

[bob2131]

Right. You need bootcamp drivers for it to function properly. HOWEVER, there are a few drivers that bootcamp supplies that aren't that great. For example, the MBP's 8600m GT, you can definitely download better drivers for that.

sorry..... im gonna install bootcamp and windows xp......

then install m-audio drivers for my audio interface.... on windows xp...on mac.

do i need to do more work? get more drivers for bootcamp?

 

[bob2131]

m-audio have advised me: " You may need to go in and disable the built-in sound, Ethernet, and wireless controllers to see if they are interfering."

how do i do this? my friend said in BIOS....

ive checked the fusion manual...theres no mention of the normal windows xp BIOS...just some mention of some fake VMware bios.....no instructions on how to get to it.....

does it exist in windows xp on vmware?

what do m-audio actaully mean? like just turn off those things from within vmware fusion???

sorry.....and thankyoiu.........i just wanna try what m-audio have said, before i try bootcamp method......

cheers

 

[ayeying]

so why did m-audio say they dont support me using windows xp via bootcamp?
so bootcamp drivers are required....are these installed when bootcamp is installed???

or would i just install the m-audio windowx xp drivers on windows on my mac???

thanks.

BootCamp drivers are on your Disk 1 disk. It is used to install drivers for every other hardware in your system.

And I don't know why M-Audio say they aren't supported.

sorry..... im gonna install bootcamp and windows xp......

then install m-audio drivers for my audio interface.... on windows xp...on mac.

do i need to do more work? get more drivers for bootcamp?

Just install XP, Install the drivers that came with Disk 1 and install your audio interface.

m-audio have advised me: " You may need to go in and disable the built-in sound, Ethernet, and wireless controllers to see if they are interfering."

how do i do this? my friend said in BIOS....

ive checked the fusion manual...theres no mention of the normal windows xp BIOS...just some mention of some fake VMware bios.....no instructions on how to get to it.....

does it exist in windows xp on vmware?

what do m-audio actaully mean? like just turn off those things from within vmware fusion???

sorry.....and thankyoiu.........i just wanna try what m-audio have said, before i try bootcamp method......

cheers

We don't have BIOS. VMWare Fusion uses a BIOS system but if you're using boot camp to boot natively, it doesn't matter. Ignore what M-Audio said. Its obvious you're gonna get crap using VMWare Fusion with your Audio Interface. Just go boot camp, install everything, and go from there. Stop asking people because most likely they don't know and they don't have the hardware to test. So from here, it is best if you installed it, try it and see if it works or not. We can help you troubleshoot, but we can't tell you the result when we have no way to test it.

 

[bob2131]

BootCamp drivers are on your Disk 1 disk. It is used to install drivers for every other hardware in your system.

And I don't know why M-Audio say they aren't supported.



Just install XP, Install the drivers that came with Disk 1 and install your audio interface.



We don't have BIOS. VMWare Fusion uses a BIOS system but if you're using boot camp to boot natively, it doesn't matter. Ignore what M-Audio said. Its obvious you're gonna get crap using VMWare Fusion with your Audio Interface. Just go boot camp, install everything, and go from there. Stop asking people because most likely they don't know and they don't have the hardware to test. So from here, it is best if you installed it, try it and see if it works or not. We can help you troubleshoot, but we can't tell you the result when we have no way to test it.

ok...thankyou....(yourer right)
m-audio says: "It's hit or miss w/ Windows on a Mac; by installing Windows you now have to deal with Windows issues like IRQ's. You could try disabling these other devices in the Windows Device Manager; and yes, Ethernet would be your Internet, and you could always re-enable the controller if you needed to go online."

so just gonna try what m-audio say.....and then go with bootcamp.......

so when im using bootcamp windows xp, there will not be a windows BIOS??

 

[ayeying]

ok...thankyou....(yourer right)
m-audio says: "It's hit or miss w/ Windows on a Mac; by installing Windows you now have to deal with Windows issues like IRQ's. You could try disabling these other devices in the Windows Device Manager; and yes, Ethernet would be your Internet, and you could always re-enable the controller if you needed to go online."

so just gonna try what m-audio say.....and then go with bootcamp.......

so when im using bootcamp windows xp, there will not be a windows BIOS??

Ignore what M-Audio says because it appears on my end that you're making it harder for yourself then it needs to be. It might sound harsh but its true. Just install in Boot Camp since you are using music production software. You can always boot off the boot camp partition in VMWare Fusion if you need to. BIOS is hardware based. Its not OS based. It won't matter if you're using XP, Vista, Linux, OSX or whatever. If your hardware runs off a different set (We use EFI, not BIOS), it doesn't matter what OS you run. Just install XP/Vista, install the M-Audio hardware and take it from there.

 

[gotzero]

Odds are everything will work just fine on boot camp. I think a lot of companies are not recommending it to cover themselves from having to support computer hardware issues.

I second the recommendation not to do audio work in virtualized environments.

 

[bob2131]

yeah im gonna attempt it tonight....

apple website...bootcamp section....ALOT OF PROBLEMS AND ANGREY PEOPLE THERE....

im putting SP3 on .... apple say use bootcamp 2.1....but its an exe file....
so its like arrrrrhhhhhhhh
so i have to use 2.0 bootcamp (which is buggy people say) install SP3...and then update bootcamp to 2.1..............

 

[Matt Dias]

Okay, you're getting the users here confused.

You stated you have 2GB Ram, that way, dedicate only 512MB to VMWare running XP. Why, because you still have OSX running in the background. If you don't dedicate any memory to OSX, it won't run. Thats why you get extreme slow downs in 1GB dedication or 2GB in which you crash.

OSX right now is the Host and Windows XP is the guest. The host HAS to be running for the Guest to work. Since you're not using Boot Camp, that is what you have to do.

VMWare Fusion is a virtualization product. What this means is that it can virtualize a 2nd OS. It is similar to running 2 computers but you're only using 1 physical system.

When you create a VIRTUAL MACHINE, you're creating also a VIRTUAL HARD DISK. This hard disk is not a physical partition, it is basically just a single file that looks like a hard disk to VMWare Fusion. Whatever format you do during the install, it'll make changes ONLY to the virtual hard disk, leaving your actual drive utterly unchanged except for the virtual hard disk file.

Whats good with 4GB if you can't use all 4GB to windows? If you're going to use all 4GB to windows, don't run a virtual machine. Virtual Machines are meant to be run with both the HOST and the GUEST at the same time. Running 2 operating systems require the SHARING of the main ram. The more you have physically, the more you can allocate to your GUEST. Allocating too much and you'll notice a VERY LARGE slow down in your HOST.

Thank you so much for clearing this up for me. I was worried my MBP would be scared for life and I would lose space on my hard drive.

I installed Windows XP pro with SP1 and updated to SP2 through the VM WIN XP program. This shouldn't cause any issues for should it?

 

[dollarwon]

im on fusion 2 now.

are you guys getting good sound?

im using maudio fast track pro...ASIO drivers...and sound is crackling and horrible and distorted big time.... ive tried everything....
all the same : windows media player, soundforge, wavelab, cubase....

audio is horrible.

is this a vmware problem? or a windows xp problem? or an m-audio problem?

im gonna try bootcamp....ive heard its better for audio performance.

anybody using music producition packages on windowz xp on vmware fusion??? good audio? good latency?

cheers.

Hey I know this sounds like an idiot question, but how do you allocate memory to my XP running on VMWare?

I originally allocated 512mb, but I just upgraded my ram to 4gb, so I'm looking to up my XP memory to 1gb.

Totally forgot how I originally did it.

Thanks!