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VMWare Public Beta, Parallels Beta 2

Parallels' website is basically down. I've tried in vain to download the new update for the last couple of hours.

I'm quite looking forwards to running Internet Exploder in a window in OSX. It'll be great to not have to look at the dumb-assed Telly Tubbies desktop picture. Yeah, I know I could change it, but it's nice to be reminded of why I moved over!
 
As a registered user for both Parallels for Mac and VMWare for Windows,
I think VMware is risking something more important as Vista comes out in the beginning of next year in similar speed as Leopard.
This means they'll have to focus into two different areas when I think they should focus mainly on VMs for Vista
 
The "Virtual PC" name still sticks with me. I have Parallels but often refer to it as Virtual PC. VMWare is another terrible name but probably a more well known product in the business world.
 
The one that will win me over will be the one that can offer me the most seem less experience while seeing Windows itself the least. Coherence mode is a very nice start, but could go so much farther.
 
Brandon Sharitt said:
The one that will win me over will be the one that can offer me the most seem less experience while seeing Windows itself the least. Coherence mode is a very nice start, but could go so much farther.
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Coherence mode is a big step towards transparency. Which is believe is one of THE big things.

Being able to boot from the boot camp partition is another major bonus. Saves me about 8Gb of disk space, not that important to me but say you only have the basic macbook that is about 15% of the userable space.

Parallels wins this round.
 
...It is built on VMware's rock-solid and advanced desktop virtualization platform...
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Does this mean Fusion is not designed to be used in a server environment? So I can't buy xServes and serve Windows off of them to my corporate network? Does VM Ware plan to bring us a server-grade vmware product for the Mac???
 
maybe a little out of the main theme of the thread but I was wondering if there's any app around for OSX ( and XP ) that allows for a COMPLETE backup of the rival OS partition...

...I mean, I'd like to backup ( or move to a different MAC ) a complete NTFS partition with all my installed apps, documents, cache, etc.
When you are under XP only, on a regular PC, a few apps claim they can do that, the result is very often a useless mess; so I guess now that we can use XP under OSX, and the Windows drive is there when you boot under OSX ( NTFS is readable too ! ), I'd love to see an OSX app capable of copying / pasting my NTFS partition with all its data from the HD to another machine ( or external HD for backup purposes ), so that I can BOOTCAMP the new machine under XP right away, or use PARALLELS on it, etc...

THAT would be a major plus for me; maybe this kind of app already exists and I'm just out of the loop; obviously, the very same app under XP to copy / backup the HFS+ partition of OSX would be killer as well. :rolleyes:
 
MacVault said:
Does this mean Fusion is not designed to be used in a server environment? So I can't buy xServes and serve Windows off of them to my corporate network? Does VM Ware plan to bring us a server-grade vmware product for the Mac???
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Good point, what we OS X really needs is a a good server virtualization package, though I'm guessing VMware is trying to take out the competition first with head-to-head competition. Of course for a server product, being able to run a second instance of OS X would be a must.
 
Is there any tool available that can take a normal OS installation, whether Windows/Linux/etc, and turn it into an "image" for VMWare or Parallels??? That would be sweet!
 
MacVault said:
Is there any tool available that can take a normal OS installation, whether Windows/Linux/etc, and turn it into an "image" for VMWare or Parallels??? That would be sweet!
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If I'm not mistaken, that's what the parallels transporter does.
 
So far I've seen Parallels consistently create a better and better product as well as updates within small timeframes. VMWare has historically been much slower. However, having a choice is always a good thing and I'm sure both products will do well.
 
WildPalms said:
So far I've seen Parallels consistently create a better and better product as well as updates within small timeframes. VMWare has historically been much slower. However, having a choice is always a good thing and I'm sure both products will do well.
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I agree, parallels has done an awesome job so far. If they can get 3D support and refine coherence mode, they've won me, unless of course VMware does the same thing better, but at the current rate that'll be years.
 
MacVault said:
Does this mean Fusion is not designed to be used in a server environment? So I can't buy xServes and serve Windows off of them to my corporate network? Does VM Ware plan to bring us a server-grade vmware product for the Mac???
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Fusion is a desktop product, though I'm guessing that once it's done, a version of Server will be next.

As a v1 product, I think Fusion is great. I know I'm in the minority, but running Windows isn't a priority ( hence Coherency is just a gimmick, though a neat one ). Running Solaris/Ubuntu is, though, and that's where Fusion has the upper hand. VMware's *nix support is superb, whereas Parallels feels like it's an after-thought. I've yet to experience VMware's support, but haven't been overly impressed with that from Parallels.

Will I switch? More than likely, if only for the improved *nix support.
 
IscariotJ said:
Fusion is a desktop product, though I'm guessing that once it's done, a version of Server will be next.

As a v1 product, I think Fusion is great. I know I'm in the minority, but running Windows isn't a priority ( hence Coherency is just a gimmick, though a neat one ). Running Solaris/Ubuntu is, though, and that's where Fusion has the upper hand. VMware's *nix support is superb, whereas Parallels feels like it's an after-thought. I've yet to experience VMware's support, but haven't been overly impressed with that from Parallels.

Will I switch? More than likely, if only for the improved *nix support.
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Good point, for a full virtual machine and Linux, VMware may well win out, but if I just need to run a Windows app or two, Parallels in coherence mode is the way to go. With just a bit more work(which I'll bet the Parallels team is doing now), coherence mode could practically provide the level of backwards compatibility Classic did for OS9, and be the ultimate migration tool.
 
VMWare is REALLY BETA.

So much so that's it's a considerable pain to even install the bleeding thing, with problems recognising drives, keyboards to even start the installation.

After an hour of fiddling I've given up.

I'll stick with parallels for now (at least it works ;) )
 
Has anyone actually got the Fusion beta to run? After install I double clicked at the app shows for a quick second and then quits. I looked at the console log file at it shows:

Cannot load message dictionary "/Library/Application Support/VMware Fusion/messages/en/

I looked at that location and sure enough theres no messages directory. Ooops, did they forget to include some files in the installer?
 
sfwalter said:
Has anyone actually got the Fusion beta to run? After install I double clicked at the app shows for a quick second and then quits. I looked at the console log file at it shows:

Cannot load message dictionary "/Library/Application Support/VMware Fusion/messages/en/

I looked at that location and sure enough theres no messages directory. Ooops, did they forget to include some files in the installer?
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I got it running here, though a bit sluggish. Not quite VirtualPC sluggish, but slower than Parallels on the same machine, or VMware on my slower Windows PC.
 
Macrumors said:
...which brings a number of improvements including USB 2.0 support, Boot Camp partition support, and Drap/Drop support.
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Oh sweet! I've been waiting for Drap/Drop support..... finally!

On a more serious note, I don't have a copy of Windows to install... I've never owned a copy of Windows in my entire life and I can't imagine why I'd start giving my money to Microsoft now.
 
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