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Why does that affect me? I never leave the US, and and Verizon gives me the coverage I need. And resale? Who cares, it's a $300 phone. I'm not the person who is getting a new phone every year. We are not talking about depreciation from cars here.

Exactly, it amazes me the that people can be so shortsided. What does the person who now FINALLY has an iPhone care if he can't use it on another network? HE'S ON VERIZON! Obviously, he doesn't care now. Why should that change just because he has an iPhone?

Oh and resell value is a load of crap. I sell my phones right before I upgrade. EVERY TIME. Without problem. There are other people on the network. A lot of other people and for some reason maybe they can't get an iphone or don't qualify etc. People will buy them.
 
Why does that affect me? I never leave the US, and and Verizon gives me the coverage I need. And resale? Who cares, it's a $300 phone. I'm not the person who is getting a new phone every year. We are not talking about depreciation from cars here.
You never leave the US? Ever? That is such a shame. There is an interesting world out there with many different cultures to experience.

This past year I traveled to Japan in late April/early May from Canada to experience the Japanese culture. From time to time, I travel to the US (Hawaii, California, Nevada, Washington).

Other countries that I've visited in the past five years include: Mexico, England, Spain, France, Italy, Germany Sweden and Finland.

If you never experience other cultures, how do you expect to grow as a person? You are robbing yourself of your full potential. The US != the world. Perhaps if more people in the US had a wider perspective on the world, your country would not be in the huge mess it is in. Never leaving your own country when you have the freedom to travel is a waste. It is kind of like cultural inbreeding.
 
You never leave the US? Ever? That is such a shame. There is an interesting world out there with many different cultures to experience.

This past year I traveled to Japan in late April/early May from Canada to experience the Japanese culture. From time to time, I travel to the US (Hawaii, California, Nevada, Washington).

Other countries that I've visited in the past five years include: Mexico, England, Spain, France, Italy, Germany Sweden and Finland.

If you never experience other cultures, how do you expect to grow as a person? You are robbing yourself of your full potential. The US != the world. Perhaps if more people in the US had a wider perspective on the world, your country would not be in the huge mess it is in. Never leaving your own country when you have the freedom to travel is a waste. It is kind of like cultural inbreeding.

Its funny you should bring that up. Whenever I travel to the USA (at least once a year) and get chatting to Americans it's very rare to find someone that has travelled overseas. I've met the odd one or two that travel through work, but not for pleasure. Nearly everyone know in the UK has travelled, at least to europe, and most further afield, Asia, Africa, USA, Caribbean etc etc

It is a shame for people that will never experience this great world we live in.

Now back on topic :rolleyes:, the more carriers the better. Choice=Win
 
You never leave the US? Ever? That is such a shame. There is an interesting world out there with many different cultures to experience.

This past year I traveled to Japan in late April/early May from Canada to experience the Japanese culture. From time to time, I travel to the US (Hawaii, California, Nevada, Washington).

Other countries that I've visited in the past five years include: Mexico, England, Spain, France, Italy, Germany Sweden and Finland.

If you never experience other cultures, how do you expect to grow as a person? You are robbing yourself of your full potential. The US != the world. Perhaps if more people in the US had a wider perspective on the world, your country would not be in the huge mess it is in. Never leaving your own country when you have the freedom to travel is a waste. It is kind of like cultural inbreeding.

Thats great that you travel, it really is. However, you have to look at a person's situation. I am not opposed to travel, I actually really enjoy it. But I am only 22 years old, just graduated college, have a ton of debt, and no job yet. I would love to travel around the world, however I don't see myself doing that in the near future at all with my financial situation/vacation time.

I HAVE however traveled around the United States, I have been to Dallas, Washington DC, Raleigh, Minneapolis, Chicago, where I saw the Sears Tower, a great structural achievement by Fazlur Khan, and been West to see Yellowstone, and the Rocky Mountains. So no, I don't have world experience (other than going to Winnipeg)... and I would like to some day, but it's nice to live in a country that is so diverse.
 
Thats great that you travel, it really is. However, you have to look at a person's situation. I am not opposed to travel, I actually really enjoy it. But I am only 22 years old, just graduated college, have a ton of debt, and no job yet. I would love to travel around the world, however I don't see myself doing that in the near future at all with my financial situation/vacation time.

I HAVE however traveled around the United States, I have been to Dallas, Washington DC, Raleigh, Minneapolis, Chicago, where I saw the Sears Tower, a great structural achievement by Fazlur Khan, and been West to see Yellowstone, and the Rocky Mountains. So no, I don't have world experience (other than going to Winnipeg)... and I would like to some day, but it's nice to live in a country that is so diverse.

If you have not been outside of your own country, then you have been no where. Period.

You don't need "a lot" of money to travel even to remote places like Australia if you REALLY are determined to. Many students just save for the plane ticket and a couple of days of accommodation then find a job in said country. I know of MANY people that have been traveling like that for years around the globe. Traveling is very important and the poster you are quoting is spot on. There is a reason why the rest of the world laugh at Americans when they start talking about other countries.

Last month, I was in Malaysia and Singapore for 20 days. I was blown away. :)
 
Thats great that you travel, it really is. However, you have to look at a person's situation. I am not opposed to travel, I actually really enjoy it. But I am only 22 years old, just graduated college, have a ton of debt, and no job yet. I would love to travel around the world, however I don't see myself doing that in the near future at all with my financial situation/vacation time.

I HAVE however traveled around the United States, I have been to Dallas, Washington DC, Raleigh, Minneapolis, Chicago, where I saw the Sears Tower, a great structural achievement by Fazlur Khan, and been West to see Yellowstone, and the Rocky Mountains. So no, I don't have world experience (other than going to Winnipeg)... and I would like to some day, but it's nice to live in a country that is so diverse.


To be fair, overseas travel does seem to cost more for Americans (comparatively) and I am not sure where I heard it but someone told me that most people over there only get like 2-3 weeks vacation time a year? I hope that's not true, its like the dark ages lol:D
 
You never leave the US? Ever? That is such a shame. There is an interesting world out there with many different cultures to experience.

This past year I traveled to Japan in late April/early May from Canada to experience the Japanese culture. From time to time, I travel to the US (Hawaii, California, Nevada, Washington).

Other countries that I've visited in the past five years include: Mexico, England, Spain, France, Italy, Germany Sweden and Finland.

If you never experience other cultures, how do you expect to grow as a person? You are robbing yourself of your full potential. The US != the world. Perhaps if more people in the US had a wider perspective on the world, your country would not be in the huge mess it is in. Never leaving your own country when you have the freedom to travel is a waste. It is kind of like cultural inbreeding.

God knows people never traveled before the GSM network was established.

I'm not a diehard Apple fanatic though I certainly love my iPhone, but if you folks regularly bend over backward to make ridiculous arguments like this, then no wonder you have such a reputation for living in an alternate reality.

If you want an iPhone that you can take to Europe, then you should buy an AT&T iPhone. But some of us might do a lot more traveling in the United States and might want a phone that gets much better reception where we actually live. It's a novel concept, I know.

I realize that Apple is a company that somewhat regularly embraces "simplicity" over "choice," but there's a reason that Android will quickly eclipse iOS as the dominant smartphone software, and it's backward thinking like this. Is GSM more convenient for a world traveler? Yes. But the market for smartphones is not make up exclusively of globetrotters, and expanding availability opens the phone up to potential new owners.

The resistance around here to this notion that freedom and choice are surely good for the continued success of the iPhone is pretty astounding.
 
But CDMA iPhone?? It won't have any resale value. If you buy a Verizon iPhone you cannot PHYSICALLY use it on any other network! PHYSICALLY. It's hardcoded into the baseband that it will only work on Verizon. GSM on the other hand uses SIM cards so you can easily swap them in and out with an unlock.
CDMA optionally uses SIM cards, too. Apple would probably make a dual-mode CDMA+GSM/UMTS phone, which uses SIM cards.
 
Lol, i love how an article about the iPhone losing exclusivity in Germany somehow leads to a discussion about how Americans don't travel around the world enough. But in any case, let me say that most Americans want a phone that works well IN AMERICA, not a phone that functions well in Timbuktu. Therefore, we need the CDMA iPhone to come out on Verizon which is the only reliable wireless carrier in the US (maybe Sprint also). The fact that Apple is tying up lose ends in the few "carrier exclusive" countries is a good sign for things to come in the US (along with the WSJ and NY Times articles).
 
If you have not been outside of your own country, then you have been no where. Period.

I'm sorry, but this is absurd. The US is a huge country, and just as diverse in many ways as Europe. It's also much more difficult for most American's to travel, as it requires a reasonably long plane flight that likely costs upwards of several hundred dollars to reach Europe, and a great deal more to reach Asia. We can't country-hop like you can there, moving through a country in a few hours sometimes.

I say this having travelled to Japan a number of times, and very much endorsing the idea of world travel. Traveling is a good thing, but don't make some absurd argument that anyone who hasn't traveled outside of the US is worthless for not having done so. It just makes you look like a fool.

jW
 
Exactly! Even in Europa, even in germany, lots of us cant just travel the world like the want to. Some didnt even left the country so far, but they are still good people and arent wasted at all, what a stupid comment anywhy. :cool:
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_1 like Mac OS X; de-de) AppleWebKit/532.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/8B117)

The O2 online support claims theres no netlock. That would be really nice.
 
More info

Any news on when we can actually get a physical phone since you can only register on the o2 site?
 
Any news on when we can actually get a physical phone since you can only register on the o2 site?

No, see... The registration is there to put you on the mailing list to get information on the actual phone. (when it arrives, pricing, etc..)

Sobald es Neuigkeiten zum iPhone 4 – z.B. Tarifinformationen – gibt, werden wir Sie auf Wunsch auch gerne ganz bequem persönlich darüber informieren.

That means:

As soon as there's news about the iPhone for - pricing, for example - we will inform you personally.
 
You never leave the US? Ever? That is such a shame. There is an interesting world out there with many different cultures to experience.

This past year I traveled to Japan in late April/early May from Canada to experience the Japanese culture. From time to time, I travel to the US (Hawaii, California, Nevada, Washington).

Other countries that I've visited in the past five years include: Mexico, England, Spain, France, Italy, Germany Sweden and Finland.

If you never experience other cultures, how do you expect to grow as a person? You are robbing yourself of your full potential. The US != the world. Perhaps if more people in the US had a wider perspective on the world, your country would not be in the huge mess it is in. Never leaving your own country when you have the freedom to travel is a waste. It is kind of like cultural inbreeding.

I am from the US and I have traveled to about 15 different countries including Japan 2x, Turkey, Greece, Germany, Canada(Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto and other parts), Switzerland, Italy, England, Hungry, Denmark etc. When I travel, I always like to see how normal people in another country live and not just visit the major tourists sites.

All of this being said, I probably learned more about foreign cultures by simply living in the US and working very closely and sometimes developing friendships with people of different backgrounds. For example, in high school I worked closely with people from Vietnam, Mexico and Cambodia. Now I work closely with people from India, China, Vietnam, Russia and Mexico. I have had managers who grew up in Vietnam, Hong Kong, Canada, and China. One of my siblings is married to someone who grew up in India. And I've even worked on a project very closely for many months with someone from Ethiopia. I realize Toronto is a very diverse city but I believe the United States has more legal immigration each year then the rest of the world combined.

It is always nice to visit another country but in all honesty in many of the major cities in the US -- granted often not in the middle of the country or some small states --, it is very easy to get a good understanding of other countries/cultures just by getting to know people and asking them about the countries that they grew up in.

The US is in a financial mess and needs to solve it by living within its means but quite frankly many other wealthy countries are as well. Granted most of Japan's debt is owed to its own people but Japan has a huge debt. Europe has a huge debt in many countries. In all honesty, one of the big reasons -- not the only reason --, the US is in bad shape economically is because of illegal immigration from Mexico. Canada I have been told by one of my coworkers who is a Canadian citizen is more stringent in terms of making sure immigrants are well educated. The US and Canada to a lesser extent because of its more natural resources can benefit from well educated workers from anywhere in the world but too many low skilled workers is a problem.

From having traveled abroad and in the US extensively, I will be the first to admit that the average US citizen may not know a lot about other countries but I honestly think the converse is true as well.

Canada is a bit different since it is so close to the US in geography and smaller in population so that it gets a decent amount of its news etc. from the US. Many extremely educated people in Europe and Asia have major misconceptions about the US and some of them have even traveled to the US for a few weeks.
 
Who said it will be unlocked?

There is no official information about SIM-lock yet. Several sources say Vodafone will lock the phone and O2 won't.

This makes sense because O2 is very customer friendly in this respect. They sell phone/data plans that are cheaper that for example T-Mobile but do not include a subsidized device, but you can optionally get a device for an additional monthly cost. The phone service and the device are two seperate agreements that appear on the same monthly bill. You can cancel the phone/data plan every month (you just have to pay for the device until it is paid off) or you can finance a device without signing up for phone service at all.

There is a good chance that O2 will be more customer friendly this time, too.

Christian
 
T-Mobile Loosing exclusivity in the Netherlands too to Vodafoon and KPN

Not only in Germany, but also in Holland T-Mobile is going to loose their exclusivity, also to Vodafoon, however, we do not have O2, but our previously state owned and largest telecom provider KPN is said to be the second alternative to T-Mobile.
With regards to pricing, it's sad but true, as of the 1st of November, T-Mobile will not be lowering, but jacking up their prices. I haven't seen the new figures yet, however the company confirmed it saying that the pricing they've had for the last 1.5 years was the introductory price to help get consumers to adopt, however now is the time to price the internet more correctly. (All iPhone bundles starting from €29,95 a month have had unlimited internet till now). So I wouldn't get my hopes up for lower prices, unless it's from one of the newcomers.
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