Vote on 2023 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductees...

[PinkyMacGodess]

This year's ballot includes George Michael, Cyndi Lauper, Warren Zevon, Iron Maiden, Soundgarden, Willie Nelson, Joy Division + New Order, Kate Bush, Sheryl Crow, Rage Against the Machine, The Spinners, The White Stripes, Missy Elliot, and A Tribe Called Quest.

I have my own list of acts I feel should be inducted (Soundgarden, Rage, Zevon, Crow, Spinners) and it looks like the first three I mentioned above are a shoe it, but Willie is gaining on Soundgarden. It's a fun election to participate in as spring starts to appear. Go to rockhall.com to vote for your picks.

 

[Herdfan]

Some of those performers should have been in years/decades ago.

 

[Silencio]

Willie Nelson, Joy Division/New Order, The Spinners, Warren Zevon, Iron Maiden

 

[velocityg4]

I've never paid attention to the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. Do they take non rock artists or something? While Cyndi Lauper, Missy Elliot, A Tribe Called Quest and Willie Nelson are fine artists. I wouldn't consider them rock musicians. They might have some genre crossing songs that qualify as rock. But that's not what they are known for.

While most in the list aren't traditional rock n roll. I'd consider genres derivative of rock. Such as alternative and metal. To be rock. Since they are regarded as rock. But not Hip Hop, Electro Pop or Country.

If they do accept non rock. Why not update their name?

 

[Silencio]

There are already a fair amount of hip-hop, R&B, electronic, and country artists currently enshrined.

Yes, it's becoming more of a "Contemporary Popular Music Hall of Fame" perhaps, but I also wouldn't strictly define "Rock and roll" as a singer, a guitarist, a bass player, and a drummer playing a blues-derived style, either.

I also find it amusing that such an anti-establishment art form has evolved to the point that it has become an establishment itself. I can't work up much bother about any of this stuff, though. I only think that if Depeche Mode, The Cure, and Kraftwerk were deemed worthy of induction, Joy Division/New Order surely also belong.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

But even the 'shrine' of alternative rock (CBGB) was meant "Country, Bluegrass, Blues and Other Music for Uplifting Gormandizers". (And was torn down, sadly)

Yeah, it's pretty much turned into a house of music, not just rock and roll. But the Music Experience in Seattle also has a huge Sci-Fi museum in the basement, probably to draw people in. I know I was blown away by the goodies they had on display, as well as a huge exhibit on Nirvana upstairs.

And I just see that Soungarden could lose 5th place to Willie Nelson, so that's crap in my book. But most of the acts I've voted for lose anyway. Warren Zevon is an exception I guess.

 

[KaliYoni]

I don't think Joy Division and New Order should be lumped together like that. It's like inducting LA Guns + Guns N' Roses or Nirvana + Foo Fighters.

But I've never viewed the RRHoF to be that relevant anyway...

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[PinkyMacGodess]

I don't think Joy Division and New Order should be lumped together like that. It's like inducting LA Guns + Guns N' Roses or Nirvana + Foo Fighters.

But I've never viewed the RRHoF to be that relevant anyway...

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In the 'grand scheme', it's not, but this is a diversion, and I really don't want Willie Nelson to bump Soundgarden out of the running.

 

[velocityg4]

In the 'grand scheme', it's not, but this is a diversion, and I really don't want Willie Nelson to bump Soundgarden out of the running.

While I like Black Hole Sun and played it many times. Does Soundgarden have anything else memorable? I can’t think of any of their other songs.

I don’t think Willy should be there simply because he isn’t rock. But he has a crap ton of memorable songs.

 

[rhett7660]

Some of those performers should have been in years/decades ago.

Came here to say the same thing.

Soundgarden
Black Hole Sun
Fell on Black Days
Spoonman
Rusty Cage
Pretty Noose
Outshined...

Those are ones off the top of my head...

 

[Silencio]

But even the 'shrine' of alternative rock (CBGB) was meant "Country, Bluegrass, Blues and Other Music for Uplifting Gormandizers". (And was torn down, sadly)

Hilly Krystal initially did focus on booking country, bluegrass, and blues acts at the club. Poetry and spoken word bookings led to the proto punk bands like Television moving in. (RIP Tom Verlaine)

The CBGB storefront still exists, but is now a John Varvatos store. That stretch of the Bowery is utterly unrecognizable from even 20 years ago, and I still find it incredibly strange being down in that area now.

 

[icanhazmac]

UP THE IRONS!

F the RRHOF.

 

[MBAir2010]

if anyone is conflicted over any war or needs a real interpretation of war though music
only 1 group can, and did, clarify both sides and the tribulations of warfare,
listen to an album entitled: "A Matter Of Life And Death".
they are far more experienced in this matter than anyone else in that HOF.

 

[RokinAmerica]

Maiden is the only band named that is both actually rock and made a significant impact on musicians in the rock world. IMHO

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Maiden is the only band named that is both actually rock and made a significant impact on musicians in the rock world. IMHO

Is 'grunge' rock? I think so. I listen to Soundgarden, Rage Against the Machine, Audioslave, STP, etc while riding my trainer. Angry, and music with a strong beat really help it all.

But, yes, the Rock Hall does have a lot of different genres inside its walls. They even had a gospel section. Perhaps they should rename it. It's not really like it's all just rock as mentioned. Calling it the 'Music Hall of Fame' seems awkward. *shrug*

Off to vote...

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

No way should Willie Nelson top Soundgarden. Wow...

 

[Scepticalscribe]

In today's edition of the Guardian, (the singer, musician, and actor) Courtney Love has an interesting and thought-provoking piece entitled "Why are women so marginalised by the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?" and making the point that barely 8% of the inductees - since the inception of the award - have been women.

Some of those nominated (and @Herdfan has already made this very point) should have been inducted ages ago; of the names in the list above, Kate Bush most certainly comes to mind.

As, for that matter, do Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, and Joy Division.

For the record, Kate Bush was the first female artist to reach No 1 in the UK charts with the astonishing and haunting song "Wuthering Heights" in 1979. And, as Courtney Love adds: "Never mind that she was the first woman in pop history to have written every track on a million-selling debut."

According to Courtney Love, women comprise 9 members out of the 31 member nominating board of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, while the Rock Hall electorate (among them, musicians and industry elites) is 90% male.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

In today's edition of the Guardian, (the singer, musician, and actor) Courtney Love has an interesting and thought-provoking piece entitled "Why are women so marginalised by the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?" and making the point that barely 8% of the inductees - since the inception of the award - have been women.

Some of those nominated (and @Herdfan has already made this very point) should have been inducted ages ago; of the names in the list above, Kate Bush most certainly comes to mind.

As, for that matter, do Cyndi Lauper, George Michael, and Joy Division.

For the record, Kate Bush was the first female artist to reach No 1 in the UK charts with the astonishing and haunting song "Wuthering Heights" in 1979. And, as Courtney Love adds: "Never mind that she was the first woman in pop history to have written every track on a million-selling debut."

According to Courtney Love, women comprise 9 members out of the 31 member nominating board of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, while the Rock Hall electorate (among them, musicians and industry elites) is 90% male.

True, I'm sure. From the beginning, the music industry has been under the opinion that women can't make music, or good music which is not true. Many women have rocked the world and yet the 'industry' seems to be operating under that aged influence. Blondie, The Bangles, Debbie Davies, on and on... Ginger Rodgers was viewed as an accessory yet it is true that she did everything Fred Astaire did but was in high heels and doing it backwards.

Cyndi deserves to be there, and Sheryl does too. Given the number of entries in the inductee list, maybe there should be more than 5 for the winners! So many acts that SHOULD be inducted weren't. So many that shouldn't, I'd wager, should never have been even up for a vote. I'm sure the other typical 'ism' is very possible too, minority groups not represented in the Rock Hall. Possibly even whole genres of music.

I have no defense of the Rock Hall, or their board(s). Perhaps I shouldn't even care, but to see some of the acts that are 'in', and knowing of some who aren't but deserve it, I hope my votes might help for their induction.

Like The Spinners. They should be in the Rock Hall. They worked hard to get where they were, and have a wealth of music in their past. Soundgarden will never happen again with Chris Cornell's tragic death.

Ahh, it's really a waste of time. But I will vote for Sheryl Crow and The Spiners every day. I can vote for Kate Bush as well.

Perhaps the Rock Hall is an anchor to a bygone era and inductees should be based on record sales per year, or some other objective measure. Hmm...