vs, andriod, what specs are apple "behind" on?

Discussion in 'Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices' started by Italianblend, Sep 25, 2017.

  1. Italianblend macrumors 68000

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    For those of us who never had an android, I am curious, how does apple compete in these realms?

    1. Battery? I get the impression there are better batteries out there. If that's the case, then what's holding apple back? Are they worried about battery size? Do "better batteries" take up more space in other phones and that is just something apple is not willing to compromise on?
    2. Chargers? I get the impression that apple's "in box" chargers are way behind the competitors, meaning that other phones ship out better and faster chargers with their phones. This simply must be a money issue.
    3. OS? I get the impression apple's OS is so graphic-intense that it's not optimal. Truth?
    4. Apple was a few years "behind" on wireless charging? Why? Any other things that other phones have for granted that we don't yet?
    5. Do other phones still have headphone jacks?
    6. What am i missing?
     
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    My two concerns with iPhones right now both concern iOS.

    1. The notification is nothing short of an abhorrent disaster compared to Android. Get a lot of notifications? God help you.
    2. I'm a little bit worried about what a different IOS codebase (i.e., the swipe from home instead of the home button on the iPhone X) is going to do to do the longevity of iOS updates. Probably a longer term discussion as it should be fine as long as a variant like the 8 exists, but long, long term, potentially a concern. It absolutely destroys Android in this space right now.
     
  5. Rum_Becker Suspended

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    easier to make a list of things that Apple is ahead in.

    CPU
    Marketing
    Build Quality (lots of ****** androids out there)
     
  6. Fanaticalism macrumors 6502a

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    Can't agree on build quality unless you take into account cost and even then, there are devices that are half the price and are equal to other "premium" android and iOS devices.
     
  7. nickchallis92 macrumors 6502a

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    For me, iOS needs to stop sandboxing apps and killing background processes if it really wants to compete.
     
  8. M5RahuL macrumors 68030

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    The hardware (iPhone SoC) is top notch, but the Software ( UI and UX ) are thoroughly lacking, and features are downright lackluster.
     
  9. Rum_Becker, Sep 25, 2017
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    I completely agree, but I'm thinking of all devices even though iPhones are all at a premium price. My nexus 5 was a great phone, but it lacked the refinement of an iPhone. The side button would rattle and drive me nuts, I had to return a motorola for the same reason as well. With my current A5 I don't have any real complaints and I got it for free.
     
  10. nviz22 macrumors 603

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    Software: adding a file system that doesn't give you direct access to your music and allows you to customize ringtones with ease? Just adding HEVC support in iOS 11? Clunky notification system.

    Hardware: 750p display on a $700 phone, protruding cameras, same recycled body design, bulky 8+ profile, no native quick charge out of the box, no headphone jack.

    I could go on and on, but my $ is being spent elsewhere, so my actions speak for themselves more than typing up here on the forum.
     
  11. Technarchy macrumors 604

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    I only care about specs to the extent it makes what I normally do on a smart phone easier, better, faster.

    For example, if I want to sign PDF docs, is the S-Pen more important than the raw power of Apple's A11? Yes

    If I want to make a gif clip from some random internet content and send it to a friend, is that easier Samsung S8 or iPhone 8? Obviously the Samsung.

    However having handoff, iMessage, FaceTime, and iCloud baked into all my iOS and MacOS devices makes my life easier when it comes to performing other types of tasks.

    So for me I don't care about specs...to an extent. I care more about features that directly benefit how I use my smartphone.
     
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    Screenshot_20170925-222127.jpg

    Did I do this just to show a quick use of the S Pen he was talking about? Maybe.
     
  13. Technarchy macrumors 604

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    And that’s barely scratching the surface. I’m not even talking about anything complex. That’s basic Note functionality.
     
  14. kasakka macrumors 68020

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    At the moment, chassis design. LG V30, Samsung S8/Note8 all look beautiful whereas Apple comes out with the X that looks like a prototype at best. iPhone 8 is a several years old design with huge bezels.

    For being some of the most expensive phones on the market they apply a lot of bean counting. The base model comes with limited disk space and RAM.
     
  15. jamesrick80, Sep 26, 2017
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    Why iOS and Apple tech seems behind for some versus Android.....

    1. Display tech: Apple still limits resolution and ppi even with the new iPhone X. That display is sub-QuadHD and has limited brightness.

    2. Extra features: No s pen, limited biometric options to unlock device, no always on display (the iPhone X needs this), no display customizations (not everyone prefers Apple display calibrations), browser limitations (you will know if you used chrome or Samsung internet on Android how limited safari on iOS really is), no microsd card support in iOS (imagine having to transfer all of your files without one or waiting for iCloud to download everything), no VR support (VR is maturing while AR is trying to be something and the future of VR is just much funner).

    3. Limited ram and battery: several YouTube videos prove the ram deficiencies in the new iPhones. If it's having ram issues now, imagine when the iPhone X releases. The iPhone X will require more ram due to Face ID and enhanced AR animojis (LOL). The battery life is just not that great on iPhones especially with heavy usage. Some videos show this too.

    4. Notifications: I don't even have to explain this one. It's a hot mess.

    5. File manager: It still does not have a true file manager and they have the nerve to market 4K 60 FPS HEVC video recordings when you really don't have true control over easily managing your recordings. Bring drag and drop PC/Mac support for all files and stop the iTunes requirements.

    6. Audio recording and no headphone jack: The iPhone may have stereo speakers but it does not record stereo audio. Why have a video recording camera when your audio is not stereo audio? It's a mess. Apple loves to take away and not give. No true reason to take headphone jack away.

    7. Home screen customization: No explanation needed. Look at the iPhone and you see icons. Voila.

    8. Processor: No matter how fast they say their processor is. They never provide good use cases for it or people just simply don't use their iPhones in a way to make good use cases for it. Also with the limited battery life on the new iPhones, the new processors are mostly using the lowered power efficiency cores yet Geekbench and Apple makes people think they will outpower your desktop PC.

    9. iOS: This mobile operating system is known as the gated wall of all operating systems out there mobile or PC. If you can't do it with a app in their store, then you will never do it.

    10. iOS lacks true multitasking on the iPhones at least and iOS doesn't like to run much apps in the background. Also, no split screen on iPhones period.

    11. Fast charging: only the iPhone 8, 8 Plus, X have this capability but you have to go out and buy a high priced cable to make it work. Also they are using the slowest wireless charging standard so that's obsolete within itself.

    12. Design: None of Apple's iPhones this year outpaces Samsung's designs or even LG's.

    Well these are the biggies on why Apple is behind imo. Some of this doesn't bother anyone. Take it with a grain of salt. Some of my opinions are more bias and have a samsungish purpose but it's still valid.
     
  16. widgeteer Suspended

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    Everyone has the right to post whatever they want according to forum rules and all that and yada yada but:

    Really? Another f*cking thread where people are going to insist Android/iOS is better than the other one? Guys, your lists are nothing but statements about yourselves and how *you* use your preferred OS. There is no objective truth to any of this.

    Comparison is fine, contrasting is fine but after a point I would think this topic would get tired. So many great phones out there to gush over.

    There. My own useless contribution. :)
     
  17. chagla macrumors 6502a

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    Well, Android puts YOU in charge. You can really change nearly everything you want on your Android phone to make it really personal. I am not talking about just the wallpaper....

    The precious GBs... yes you can use it like portable storage (think USB drive) on any computer without wires. The utility from a 16GB Android phone is much higher than 256GB iphone. Not only that, when you delete an app on ios, YOUR files are deleted too. This files-inside-app is a crazy idea!!!! On Android, your files and apps are separate.

    Keyboard on ios really sucks. Even 3rd party keyboards won't work properly.
    I wanted vibrations for calls only, but can't have it. Every notifications from other apps vibrates.

    If you are going to give Android a try, get a decent mid to high end device. Apple is one vendor, making one phone so it's more optimized. it's not a fair comparison picking up ultra cheap android phone and say android sucks.

    Hey, even Bill Gates refuses to use iphone.
     
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    There is a lot of truth out there especially jamesrick post above. Research yourself out there on the web and you will see.
     
  19. Technarchy macrumors 604

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    Apple's file system management is actually quite intelligent and way ahead of android due to how it works with other iOS and MacOS devices.

    I've been using the new file management system for awhile in iOS 11 beta, and have been very impressed with Apple's implementation. It's makes connecting via USB and dragging and dropping primitive in comparison. All my 4K 60FPS test vids were all put in a dedicated video editing folder on the desktop on my MacBook Pro even though it was miles away at home while I was out filming.
     
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    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:o_Oo_Oo_Oo_O

    Drag and drop primitive?! Sorry but no.
     
  21. jamesrick80, Sep 26, 2017
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    Android users have Google drive for this. It's still not a true file manager no matter how you call it. Yeah they were put in a folder but you had to use internet data (slower process) to get that in the folder when real file managers don't require it. Samsung's file manager connects Google drive and other cloud services but still supports raw actual file management which is a major weakness of the iOS files app

    For you to have the nerve to say drag and drop is primitive makes my entire point clear (especially when iOS has implemented native iOS drag and drop protocols). No excuses for that Apple so-called imitation cloud files app but you made one to help yourself feel better about that Files app.

    You say Hey guys Apple's file app is quite intelligent..... yet it's dumb enough to not allow native real file support separate from a specific application and drag and drop to PC/Macs. SMH
     
  22. Technarchy macrumors 604

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    The last time I had to use drag and drop was to get video off my S8+ SD card onto my MacBook Pro. It works, but's certainly more arduous and time consuming than Apple's file system management.
     
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    Um no. User above explains it perfectly.
     
  24. Technarchy macrumors 604

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    I've have Google cloud storage since the Galaxy S2, so I am very familiar with it, and it's not quite the same.

    I've always found local file management on my android devices and SD cards to be a tedious task. To me that type of file management is like asking for a SCSI slot on your phone. Might be cool, but does nothing for me personally. It's why I never cite file managers as being significant benefit when I'm speaking about my android phones.
     
  25. widgeteer Suspended

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    I’ve used both platforms nearly daily for years. I’m good with my own hot take.

    I’ve read every post in the thread. It’s just preferences and cliched spec arguments that have been disproven time and again. RAM isn’t even what’s necessary for Face ID, so even the tech arguments being made aren’t very sophisticated.
     

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