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Yes, maybe you're right. Here's to hoping they will open up to the creative potential of this device. We'll find out what tomorrow brings.
As a graphic designer, I have to say I'm very interested in an App that could work in conjunction with a Stylus type pen for sketching/drawing.
All those working on such a device - keep up the good work.Wacom included.
The technical issue is I am not an engineer or designer and have no clue how to create a device or write software. Once I get through these issues, I will have a great product that I don't know how to produce or market.
My primary interest is for light note-taking and diagrams, rather than drawing. I have the pogo stylus and it works, but a more pointy end would help with writing (my handwriting is bad enough as it is). So, pressure sensitivity for regulating line thickness is not a requirement for me.
I've been using the PadNotes application which is good for a first release.
I've been using the PadNotes application which is good for a first release.
How long are your notes? i tried to use the sketch for the same thing, but it ended up being a pain because i have to hold my hand over the screen, cant rest it on it, and had to have the stylus touching the screen straight on. all this was using padnotes too. maybe i was doing it wrong, but how are your notes coming out? legible or just really messy?
I have been using my iPad at work when I am away from my computer which about at least 50% of the time. The Pogo Sketch has been a nice accessory to have to take quick notes. I am finding that there are certain features in apps that work better for note taking with the stylus. The first is the ability to resize the input from the stylus after writing. Since there is not a fine tip to work with you need a larger writing area to get the handwritten text on the iPad. Using an app like SchoolNotes Pro I can write on the screen and then resize it AND move it to where I want. This allows me to have a lot of handwriting and drawings on a single page that are about the size that would normally show up on a paper notebook. The second is a feature that will smooth out the lines like Adobe Ideas does. I took notes in Adobe Ideas at a workshop last weekend and my writing was much clearer than in any other app. The challenge with using Adobe Ideas for note taking is that there is no way to organize more than one page into a notebook which means you are having to deal with an isolated image for each page. The notebook I will ultimately use will have both a feature that smooths out the lines and allows resizing/movement. I find that my poor handwriting looks better when it is smoothed which is an improvement from writing on paper.
I have to disagree with another poster who said that a finger is just as good as a stylus. At least in my experience I have learned from an early age to use an implement like a pen and pencil for writing and not my finger for writing. The speed and accuracy of the stylus vs the finger in my practice on the iPad don't even compare. I would like to see a stylus that has a more refined tip to it, but the Pogo Stylus is good enough with the right app.
I think that Apple could have found a way to be able to support both the finger and a stylus. Since they chose to disregard the stylus some of the more natural applications for this device have to be creatively adapted by others.
I have to disagree with another poster who said that a finger is just as good as a stylus. At least in my experience I have learned from an early age to use an implement like a pen and pencil for writing and not my finger for writing. The speed and accuracy of the stylus vs the finger in my practice on the iPad don't even compare. I would like to see a stylus that has a more refined tip to it, but the Pogo Stylus is good enough with the right app.
I think that Apple could have found a way to be able to support both the finger and a stylus. Since they chose to disregard the stylus some of the more natural applications for this device have to be creatively adapted by others.
It works great on the iPad. I now carry one in my messenger bag along with the iPad. Another company makes one with a rubber tip but it creates drag when you draw. The Pogo is the best stylus for both iPhone and iPad. I just wish they made a bigger one like a normal pen size for the iPad. Mabye if enough of us email TenOneDesign, they will make one.
What about these stylus? Are they even out yet? The look way better than the pogo sticks. http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/ozaki-ifinger-pad-s-l-styluses-for-ipad/
My thoughts:
What if you could build a leather case for the ipad with a wacom tablet built in? I'm not sure what the distance is on wacom tablets, but i know that the glass u usually touch isn't the sensor itself. If it could go behind the ipad, then you could use a wacom tablet.
Then the only trick is getting a tablet that either plugs into the bottom of the ipad, or one that uses bluetooth (which would be way better in my opinion).
The last idea is to make it so that the button on the pen turns it on and off (which, for a given each individual app assuming the developer programs it in, would turn finger input on and off). Note - this would probably have to be program per program, but would then enable you to use the pen to write notes, then turn it off, and use ur hand to work (which just removes the need to keep ur palm off the device while writing).
So the input from the wacom would be completely seperate from the finger input. Thus it's not a stylus, but a writing tool for the ipad. And this is just one theory on how it could be possible, dependning on the limitations of wacoms technology.
What if you could build a leather case for the ipad with a wacom tablet built in? I'm not sure what the distance is on wacom tablets, but i know that the glass u usually touch isn't the sensor itself. If it could go behind the ipad, then you could use a wacom tablet.
Then the only trick is getting a tablet that either plugs into the bottom of the ipad, or one that uses bluetooth (which would be way better in my opinion).
The last idea is to make it so that the button on the pen turns it on and off (which, for a given each individual app assuming the developer programs it in, would turn finger input on and off). Note - this would probably have to be program per program, but would then enable you to use the pen to write notes, then turn it off, and use ur hand to work (which just removes the need to keep ur palm off the device while writing).
So the input from the wacom would be completely seperate from the finger input. Thus it's not a stylus, but a writing tool for the ipad. And this is just one theory on how it could be possible, dependning on the limitations of wacoms technology.
It would seem to me that even on the iPad that if you were using an application on there that you should be able to suggest or select an input size of the marking device. Such as that in photoshop when select diameter size of a brush or something. So as far as the size of the actual stylus for writing and that shouldn't be that big of a deal, now for digital graphics and design yes, but are you really going to be doing that much of it on the iPad?
I think that for the most part they let u if it makes sense, but doesn't need to.
And, almost for sure if you had a pressure sensitive pen on there then people would use it all the time for graphics. Me personally? no i just want something that is as easy to take notes as a pen and paper is. Just offering me "endless" and sortable paper
And, almost for sure if you had a pressure sensitive pen on there then people would use it all the time for graphics. Me personally? no i just want something that is as easy to take notes as a pen and paper is. Just offering me "endless" and sortable paper
Bluetooth
There's a Bluetooth stylus for the iPhone. If it isn't already compatible it won't be long.
There's a Bluetooth stylus for the iPhone. If it isn't already compatible it won't be long.
Seems everyone here in this thread might be interested in this post on youTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykD76JXOfgM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89RcSi1xt0Q&feature=related
I'm loosing some of the details in the translation ... but it seems this is more than just being about separation ... it looks like a "fine" stylus has been achieved. Is he doing this by having an "electro-static" fine tip, next to a finger-like touch?
Anyone figure out how he's doing this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykD76JXOfgM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89RcSi1xt0Q&feature=related
I'm loosing some of the details in the translation ... but it seems this is more than just being about separation ... it looks like a "fine" stylus has been achieved. Is he doing this by having an "electro-static" fine tip, next to a finger-like touch?
Anyone figure out how he's doing this?
here's one solution for hands messing up the screen .... look at the glove this lady is wearing ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfTeIIi79r8
Looks like Airbrushing really. Very innovative! What I'm really wondering if it would work would be a thin pen with some sort of thermal "lazer" (probably not the right term) that shoots a beam down to the ipad to simulate your finger instead of having something physically there
Like a pen with a lazer sight on the bottom instead of the top.
If there was a lazer that gave off enough heat but not enough to harm the ipad and found a way to fix it to a fake pen with a soft tip, would that not work? I wonder if anyone is willing to strap a lazer sight from a gun to a pen and try it out
Like a pen with a lazer sight on the bottom instead of the top.
If there was a lazer that gave off enough heat but not enough to harm the ipad and found a way to fix it to a fake pen with a soft tip, would that not work? I wonder if anyone is willing to strap a lazer sight from a gun to a pen and try it out
I'm getting close-to-Cintiq control (well, not super close, I'd still love to have a Cintiq, but very darned close) using a combo of Pogo Sketch stylus, Dagi stylus, and the Art Studio app. With the Pogo, it's useful to wear a glove with thumb and two fingers snipped off, but I can hold my hand in a more relaxed way with the Dagi, so it feels more Wacom-y, and it also has good tactile feedback, like using a real pen. It could be that Art Studio's way of simulating pressure sensitivity happens to mesh well with my way of drawing thin lines (light, fast stroke). That might not work for everyone else.
I hope I'm not repeating too much of what I already said in a different thread... I'm pretty obsessed with using a stylus on the iPad right now, I can't stop talking about. I think I don't need it to get any "better," but I bet I'd change my mind if it got a real Wacom-style stylus--especially with a built-in ERASER function. Now, THAT is what I want, for writing or drawing.
I hope I'm not repeating too much of what I already said in a different thread... I'm pretty obsessed with using a stylus on the iPad right now, I can't stop talking about. I think I don't need it to get any "better," but I bet I'd change my mind if it got a real Wacom-style stylus--especially with a built-in ERASER function. Now, THAT is what I want, for writing or drawing.
lol, you're right, you are obsessed.
maybe one day apple will release a pro-version of the ipad, that does have both multi-touch and wacom levels of accuracy with a stylus. it would be awesome to use photoshop on the couch with a stylus.
You keep being obsessed and find a solution
meanwhile you don't have to snip a pair of gloves, you can buy 1 or 2 fingered ones http://eu.shop.wacom.eu/Smudgeguard-Black-M_detail_248_9204.html
Dual input
Best would be a dual-input, high-resolution, Wacom pen-compatible iPad. Now, provided that the iPad 2 turned out to be a joke, we're left to hope for its succesor to incorporate, along with much more acceptable amount of storage and a much superior screen resolution, a dual-input capacity. I don't expect a progress of that scope from the mommy-granny-baby-oriented snails at Apple, but am hopeful they do sooner rather than later. For if they don't, I hope HP's WebOS-operated devices come to comprise this functionality
Best would be a dual-input, high-resolution, Wacom pen-compatible iPad. Now, provided that the iPad 2 turned out to be a joke, we're left to hope for its succesor to incorporate, along with much more acceptable amount of storage and a much superior screen resolution, a dual-input capacity. I don't expect a progress of that scope from the mommy-granny-baby-oriented snails at Apple, but am hopeful they do sooner rather than later. For if they don't, I hope HP's WebOS-operated devices come to comprise this functionality
I've always wanted an iPad to write/draw class notes with but had doubts about it's capability to do that well. Yesterday I caved in and bought one. After a day of trying some of the major note taking apps, I can finally understand the limitations of a capacitive screen with a capacitive stylus. They work good enough... with wrist guard protection and magnification on, but otherwise those apps would be completely useless for me. My wrist would constantly make random marks and the stylus is never fine or accurate enough to write as small as you can on paper.
Somebody needs to make a Bluetooth pressure sensitive stylus now! I can't believe that even this late in the game, nothing remotely like that exist for the iPad yet. Why?
Somebody needs to make a Bluetooth pressure sensitive stylus now! I can't believe that even this late in the game, nothing remotely like that exist for the iPad yet. Why?
Because "His Steveness" believes that penanbled devices are dumb and useless.
Yet, I know a whole bunch of designers that hold out on buying the ipad until Steve enables a decent 3rd party stylus. If he wont, I'll have to wait for the post SJ era with buying an iPad. Adding that functionality seems like a complete no-brainer. What harm would it do?
Would we finally get support for third party bluetooth/pressure sensitive/fine point styluses on iOS 5?
Can any Dev confirm with the new APIs?
Can any Dev confirm with the new APIs?