wait for notebook that fully supports tiger?

[AppleMatt]

budugu,
Please please watch the clip that Chryx has mentioned so many times while trying to explain it to you. He's right. Please watch.

QuartzExtreme and Quartz 2D are different.

Cougar = Quartz + Quartz 2D
Jaguar = Quartz Extreme + Quartz 2D
Panther = Quartz Extreme + Quartz 2D
Tiger = Quartz Extreme + Quartz 2D Extreme

Here's a small comment about text rendering speedup;
http://www.macuarium.com/foro/index.php?showtopic=76321&pid=619558&st=200&#entry619558

AppleMatt

 

[Blue Velvet]

Has anyone noticed that Core Image is looking at replacing Photoshop, I mean from the demos alone you basically add filter mask layers on the image or video...

Yeah, right. 🙄

Like I'll be able to count on Core Image for my duotones or any prepress work.

Sure, ditch Photoshop -- what a complete waste of money it is...

 

[maya]

Yeah, right. 🙄

Like I'll be able to count on Core Image for my duotones or any prepress work.

Sure, ditch Photoshop -- what a complete waste of money it is...

Apple sure seems to be moving in that direction, they already have print from and save to PDF. ColorSync, the pro video segment, audio segment (phasing in as with video in the past), and now images.

Sure PS will not be replaced now and Adobe could take advantage of GPU within PS however you have to think of all they non Core Image ready customers. Might speed up many filters if it is Core Image ready however it will take some time as it did with the G4 chip and Vector Engine.

Think of it this way iPhoto might be the consumer level Photo editing application and its compared to PS Elements some say its better. All Apple has to do is make a PRO application which is hardware enabled and it knocks the socks off PS down the road.

This seems to be that Apple is drawing up the path and will eventually make it reality. Don't be surprised to see a PS rival after Tiger is released.

By the way if you watch that stream they demonstrated a duo tone on the image.

Apple has always been know for its pre-press technology. Not hard to believe at all. Apple wants to own the entire MultiMedia Creation sector.

Windows = Business
Mac OS X = MultiMedia Creation

It's only time. 🙂

 

[Blue Velvet]

Apple sure seems to be moving in that direction, they already have print from and save to PDF. ColorSync, the pro video segment, audio segment (phasing in as with video in the past), and now images.

The PDFs that OSX creates are not generally suitable for press.

Sure PS will not be replaced now and Adobe could take advantage of GPU within PS however you have to think of all they non Core Image ready customers. Might speed up many filters if it is Core Image ready however it will take some time as it did with the G4 chip and Vector Engine.

Think of it this way iPhoto might be the consumer level Photo editing application and its compared to PS Elements some say its better. All Apple has to do is make a PRO application which is hardware enabled and it knocks the socks off PS down the road.

This seems to be that Apple is drawing up the path and will eventually make it reality. Don't be surprised to see a PS rival after Tiger is released.

I would be more than surprised because it's not going to happen.

If Apple made moves on this sort of pro app then a) they'd have problems selling it and b) Adobe would probably withdraw their entire Creative Suite for Mac. Remember how panicky Apple got when Quark dragged their heels over an OSX version? Thousands of design studios kept the faith and enabled Apple to stay in business during the lean times: they need those core apps and Apple needs those core apps to be available on that platform.

By the way if you watch that stream they demonstrated a duo tone on the image.

That's no real duotone, just an RGB duotone-effect.
Anybody who works in print design knows the difference.

Apple has always been know for its pre-press technology. Not hard to believe at all. Apple wants to own the entire MultiMedia Creation sector.

It was Adobe's creation of PostScript that really spawned the computer-based pre-press industry. If Microsoft had got into bed with Adobe at that stage, this forum probably wouldn't even exist...

Windows = Business
Mac OS X = MultiMedia Creation

It's only time. 🙂

I admire your optimism & imagination but it's more than just a little naive -- there's a bit more to Photoshop than just a bunch of filters...

 

[maya]

The PDFs that OSX creates are not generally suitable for press.

Off-course they differ one is for web applications and the is more robust you don't believe that Adobe is going to hand over Acrobat completely.


I would be more than surprised because it's not going to happen.

Lets see Motion is being compared to After Effects, and we are not even going to mention FCP to, it will happen maybe not how however its setting way for it.


If Apple made moves on this sort of pro app then a) they'd have problems selling it and b) Adobe would probably withdraw their entire Creative Suite for Mac. Remember how panicky Apple got when Quark dragged their heels over an OSX version? Thousands of design studios kept the faith and enabled Apple to stay in business during the lean times: they need those core apps and Apple needs those core apps to be available on that platform.

I am well aware of that issue, Apple was sweating as to when PS was not yet available on OS X too remember even Office.


That's no real duotone, just an RGB duotone-effect.
Anybody who works in print design knows the difference.

I realize that was RGB and not CMYK for print however I never stated that "Tiger" will replace PS all I stated was that it is setting the path for a future Photo/Image Pro application by Apple. They have iPhoto nothing is to say that they have no plans for a PS rival.



It was Adobe's creation of PostScript that really spawned the computer-based pre-press industry. If Microsoft had got into bed with Adobe at that stage, this forum probably wouldn't even exist...

That might be true Apple and Adobe go a long way back in due part to Desktop Publishing, I also remember that PS version 1 was given away for free on high end scanner this was around 1993-1994 at that time scanners were 2400+ USD. I also know about SuperPaint and many of the pallets that both PS version 1 and SuperPaint shared. (really showing my age now 😱 ).


I admire your optimism & imagination but it's more than just a little naive -- there's a bit more to Photoshop than just a bunch of filters...

Nothing is naive when it concerns Apple, no one could have predicted the iLife suite before that all was available was iTunes, the rest fell into place later on. No one saw Motion coming either however here we have it. What do you think is going to be next?

Apple has already stated that they want the MultiMedia Creation Market, no wonder they have excelled in the PRO and Consumer video, and as of recent Music (Garageband and Logic so forth). Image and Photo seem to be next on the list, 3D is already taken care of by Alias. 🙂

 

[Sun Baked]

Don't worry, waiting for a Notebook to support the currently announced features in Tiger will definitely give Apple some time to create some new features for Tiger that won't be fully supported by future versions of Tiger. 😉

They have you stuck in an endless loop of HW upgrades or stradling the fence waiting to buy a future machine. 😎

Apple has been offloading a lot of features onto the GPU to speed up the GUI, and background task -- expect more nifty stuff to happen when and if all the CPUs go dual core, since that'll open up some stuff for better SMP support (which Tiger will really just be supporting well with the kernal upgrade.)

 

[maya]

Don't worry, waiting for a Notebook to support the currently announced features in Tiger will definitely give Apple some time to create some new features for Tiger that won't be fully supported by future versions of Tiger. 😉

They have you stuck in an endless loop of HW upgrades or stradling the fence waiting to buy a future machine. 😎

Apple has been offloading a lot of features onto the GPU to speed up the GUI, and background task -- expect more nifty stuff to happen when and if all the CPUs go dual core, since that'll open up some stuff for better SMP support (which Tiger will really just be supporting well with the kernal upgrade.)

What I find funny is at the rate the GPU cards are execrating a 64MB GPU today and even a 128MB is outdated in the next 2-4 months. Considering 3D labs already has a 512MB GPU. 🙂

 

[madmaxmedia]

Ah, but the PowerBook Rev. B in question has a 32MB GeForce 5200. The 5200 is on the list of supported cards on the CoreImage page. The page doesn't say anything about needing 64 MB RAM.

I can only assume based on the info on Apple's page that the 5200 is supported, and the CoreImage will run on the GPU on the 12" Rev. B PowerBook...(?)

Does anyone know for sure? I'm thinking about a Rev. B 12" PowerBook myself, would be nice to confirm that it will run CoreImage.

One of the users asked the same question but with a 17" PB. what he said was that pb older than roughly 2 years will not be supported as the model did not meet the requirements. i am not sure of exact models though.

when i meant supported, i meant on hardware (GPU) as opposed to Software mode (CPU).

 

[CaptainCaveMann]

Ah, but the PowerBook Rev. B in question has a 32MB GeForce 5200. The 5200 is on the list of supported cards on the CoreImage page. The page doesn't say anything about needing 64 MB RAM.

I can only assume based on the info on Apple's page that the 5200 is supported, and the CoreImage will run on the GPU on the 12" Rev. B PowerBook...(?)

Wow very good point.. I was under the impression core image was going to require at least 64

 

[CaptainCaveMann]

After seeing the Tiger demo its kind of annoying that all of apples current hardware wont support core image and core video. You would think that when a company dangles something in front of our faces they wouldnt screw us by continuing to sell hardware that will not support the os they are releasing

 

[solvs]

After seeing the Tiger demo its kind of annoying that all of apples current hardware wont support core image and core video. You would think that when a company dangles something in front of our faces they wouldnt screw us by continuing to sell hardware that will not support the os they are releasing

I would recommend reading the rest of this thread and others like it. As I've said, several times, it works fine on the last gen. iBook, and each beta it gets even better and faster. Please do not spread misinformation.

BTW... TIGER WILL WORK ON EVERYTHING APPLE CURRENTLY SELLS (and them some).

 

[maya]

I would recommend reading the rest of this thread and others like it. As I've said, several times, it works fine on the last gen. iBook, and each beta it gets even better and faster. Please do not spread misinformation.

BTW... TIGER WILL WORK ON EVERYTHING APPLE CURRENTLY SELLS (and them some).

Why don't people just get it that Core Image treats a supported GPU as a coprocessor. If you do not have a supporting GPU, the CPU will only do more work and harder big deal if you have a 800MHz G4 or newer it will run fine no need to worry. I didn't realize so many people here work with Final Cut Pro HD, Motion, etc....if they did buying a PMG5 with the best GPU on the market available for the Mac would be of no issue.

Even in the Apple Tech Demo its been stated that a dual 2.5GHz is more than capable of handling the workload without the need or use of Core Image and a high level GPU.

The confusion around here. 🙂

 

[AppleMatt]

This reminds me of the Quartz Extreme confusion and misinformation of a couple of years ago.

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