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rajbonham said:
If they keep the prices the same, then you would have a point. But, that's no guarentee with apple. I do think it would be wise on apples part to NOT increase price. Unless they really want to kill their pro market.

I'm pretty sure they are going to keep the prices the same. If they raise them at all, it is going to be VERY minimal. If they lower the- oh wait, never mind, that won't happen. :p

Unless of course, they were able to keep the quad processor machine. They could lower the price on that and still and still keep Mac Pros separated from te iMacs.
 
Unless of course, they were able to keep the quad processor machine.
They'd almost have to, unless they'd be content with offering a single SP system (W3680 is the only hex SP part currently available).

But as those parts won't come down much, I'm not sure about a price drop, save to make sure they're positioned to sell, and they'd make sure it's more than the iMac to prevent cannibalization of those sales.
 
They'd almost have to, unless they'd be content with offering a single SP system (W3680 is the only hex SP part currently available).

But as those parts won't come down much, I'm not sure about a price drop, save to make sure they're positioned to sell, and they'd make sure it's more than the iMac to prevent cannibalization of those sales.

I agree. And look at this month's MBP update. No price drops.

The price drops in June 2009 may have been partly a response to Microsoft advertisements targeting Apple on price. There doesn't seem to be that pressure now. I can't remember the last time I saw a Microsoft ad.
 
They'd almost have to, unless they'd be content with offering a single SP system (W3680 is the only hex SP part currently available).

But as those parts won't come down much, I'm not sure about a price drop, save to make sure they're positioned to sell, and they'd make sure it's more than the iMac to prevent cannibalization of those sales.

Keeping the quad would be so great, but wouldn't Apple be shooting themselves in the foot if they retained the current pricing? As far as I see, many of the folks here that are holding out on the imminent update just don't want to pay the price for 14 month old tech. For me, it just seems an absolute must to bring that price down.

And on the subject of product cannibalization, Apple has a wide gap of $500 to play with between the high end iMac and the low end Mac Pro. So even if the current processors don't have $500 of room to drop, let us humor ourselves for a moment on the notion of what if the quad Mac Pro were to drop to $1999, or even below that mark.

What I personally fail to grasp though, is the cannibalization effect. If the iMac is targeted more towards (but not entirely) the consumer crowd, then I think the average buyer would most likely be oblivious of the added benefit of expandability. I think he/she would see the immediate benefits, such as faster processors on the CTO page, and the most obvious one: an included, spankin' brand new, included 27" display. Getting, more or less, an equal type of display from Dell will set the consumer back around an extra $1000. Thus, I don't see a low priced Mac Pro really interfering with iMac sales, at least on a substantial scale.

However, I will be quick to write off the latter of potential price drop scenarios for the Mac Pro, and that is, below the $1999 mark. This is because, without taking a look at any specs or processor models, or factoring in built in displays, or expandability options, the eco system of Mac pricing from Apple must always remain true, it seems.

I believe it is nigh impossible for Apple to cross that line, unless relatively speaking, they begin to price drop the iMac as well.

Ok, that's enough ranting about business of it. But my hopeful, wishful opinion, is that I think Apple should drop the quad to a safe $2199-$2299, at the very least. The pricing separation remains intact and people can rest a little easier knowing they won't be paying last year's price on last year's technology.
 
I agree. And look at this month's MBP update. No price drops.

No, the difference with the MBPs is that the specs went up, as expected!

How would you like it if they kept the 13" model the same exact specs as last year, AND kept the same exact pricing?
 
No, the difference with the MBPs is that the specs went up, as expected!

How would you like it if they kept the 13" model the same exact specs as last year, AND kept the same exact pricing?

I was referring to June 2009 when the MBP models had bumps in specs but the prices went down a little. Usually, as you say, the prices stay the same as the specs go up.

The 13" MBP price stayed the same this time but the battery is bigger, the HDD is bigger, there is a faster processor, and there is 4GB of RAM (all in the base model). Yes, unfortunately it's still a C2D though.

It will be amazing if Apple doesn't release a new Mac Pro until say, September, and still keeps the same prices until that launch. That would be borderline abusive.
 
I was referring to June 2009 when the MBP models had bumps in specs but the prices went down a little. Usually, as you say, the prices stay the same as the specs go up.

The 13" MBP price stayed the same this time but the battery is bigger, the HDD is bigger, there is a faster processor, and there is 4GB of RAM (all in the base model). Yes, unfortunately it's still a C2D though.

It will be amazing if Apple doesn't release a new Mac Pro until say, September, and still keeps the same prices until that launch. That would be borderline abusive.

Ah, yes, I understand you now. Yes, I don't expect any price drops in the next Mac Pro refresh either.

Are you implying Apple should at least lower the prices on the current models NOW before September, regardless of any imminent refresh or not? If so, then yes, I agree with that too. Either way, I can't see a logical reason for the current models, quad at the forefront, to keep it's current pricing, once the new machines ultimately hit.
 
Either way, I can't see a logical reason for the current models, quad at the forefront, to keep it's current pricing, once the new machines ultimately hit.

Me either. I'm kind of counting on them dropping in price :D That may be wishful thinking but if they don't come down the whole line is eventually going to cost a fortune.
 
Keeping the quad would be so great, but wouldn't Apple be shooting themselves in the foot if they retained the current pricing? As far as I see, many of the folks here that are holding out on the imminent update just don't want to pay the price for 14 month old tech. For me, it just seems an absolute must to bring that price down.
No, as the Quads would be less expensive systems. Users have to balance performance with budgets in line with their specific usage pattern, so it might be better to go with a Quad (software can't use but say 2x cores, and multi-tasking isn't really feasible given the workflow.

They can then take the savings and put it towards upgrades that will benefit them, such as RAM and increasing I/O throughput.
 
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