Hmmm. Well is there an image I could bring in the Apple store to prove my point? I don't want to go in there and say, "well...the lines..."..and when they ask me to show them...I can't prove anything.
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Wait to buy a 15" Powerbook?
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supersalzme said:
I was given this option by Apple Customer Relations, but only after returning 2 15" Powerbooks exhibiting the lines issue. My 15"s were ordered directly from Apple, so I have no idea what your luck in the retail store would be.
Also, regarding a demonstration image....there are posts here by Wombert, including a URL to a page of info on the issue. You can also do a Google search for "Crankycat", which should give you a picture that you can use to demonstrate the issue.
So I went to the apple store today and pointed out the lines problem. The guys in the store said they, "never heard of the problem". So of course, being the helpful person I am, I clearly pointed out the terrible lines in every single powerbook they had. One employer said, "wow, I don't even want to look at them anymore, haha". They still wouldn't give me a 17" for the 15"...so I guess that's that.
Instead of the PB I would recommend a 2.0 DC PowerMac instead for doing the heavy lifting at home, and maybe a refurb iBook for cheap on the go computing.
Sure, you spend like $800 more on 2 machines instead of 1, but you sure get a heck of alot of computer for your money in contrast with just a 15" PB (which is a really POS machine IMHO)
Sure, you spend like $800 more on 2 machines instead of 1, but you sure get a heck of alot of computer for your money in contrast with just a 15" PB (which is a really POS machine IMHO)
does anyone know how much more expensive - lets say an ibook - will be once they have Intel chips in them? because i am close to buying an ibook, but not quite yet. And if the Intel chips come out and the price is alot higher, i will have to wait alot longer to buy one.
thanks - Matt
thanks - Matt
generik said:
Yeah, it's only the entire price of the ibook extra. Why not?? Come on, at some point this whole "buy an extra computer" thing has to stop. You're not talking an extra $100 here. Plus you have to deal with a monitor, etc for the PowerMac.
generik said:
I won't disagree with that at all (which I why I've been waiting for 8 months to get one). However, its still a far cry between "wait a little while for the next PB" and "spend an extra $800 plus a monitor and buy two computers instead".
buy an ibook
Personally, I think it makes sense to buy a brand new 12" iBook... right now, on Amazon, it is under $800 ($785) with all the rebates. That's pretty cheap, and you get a good, time-tested design. Or you can wait until January and see what is announced, and then make your decision or then buy the older iBook, which shouldn't be much more expensive... Either way, I wouldn't buy a PowerBook right now, certainly not the problem plagued 15"... YMMV.
munckee said:
Personally, I think it makes sense to buy a brand new 12" iBook... right now, on Amazon, it is under $800 ($785) with all the rebates. That's pretty cheap, and you get a good, time-tested design. Or you can wait until January and see what is announced, and then make your decision or then buy the older iBook, which shouldn't be much more expensive... Either way, I wouldn't buy a PowerBook right now, certainly not the problem plagued 15"... YMMV.
I guess the horizontal lines are another good reason for me to wait a while longer for the PB purchase. I'm itching to get my hands on one, but willing to wait until the time is right.
I just have a feeling that they will come at MWSF, then they will also have upgraded specs all round.
I just have a feeling that they will come at MWSF, then they will also have upgraded specs all round.
OldCorpse said:
I don't need an ibook. Despite the notion that most people don't need a powerbook, I can assure you that I do. I'm a professional in a design industry; the ibook won't cut it for the majority of my work. I'll get by on what I have until the powerbook is a system worth buying.
munckee said:
I didn't mean to offend you
... You know your needs best, and if you feel it's gotta be a PB, then that's what you should look for. I only mentioned the iBook as an option because it is a pretty small segment of the market that *truly* needs a PB... oh, I know, many think they can't do their work on an IB, but actually they simply never tried (especially the latest rev)... and I know several graphic designers who use the 12" IB (though a couple hook it to a larger monitor) btw., I don't mean to say you in particular fall into the category "don't really need a PB", I'm just observing that some folks have made up their minds based on old specs of previous IB vs PB. All that said, yes, if you need a PB, you need a PB. However, I'd say in that case definitely wait - and not only because of the possible Mactels. If the PB mactels ARE NOT announced in January, or don't appear until March/April 06 or even later, then you should STILL wait EVEN if you were to decide to buy the latest PPC PB... reason: right now, the 15" are having serious problems... however, as time goes by, the engineers figure out solutions, and as the production run is tinkered with, after a while they actually solve some of those problems, without even having to officially do another rev (as they did with the famous white spots on the monitors awhile back). So either way, for the 15", it makes sense to wait: first for the possibility of an awesome and not too buggy Mactel, and second to give them time to fix the current revision of the 15". Good luck!
OldCorpse
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OldCorpse said:I didn't mean to offend you
All that said, yes, if you need a PB, you need a PB. However, I'd say in that case definitely wait - and not only because of the possible Mactels. If the PB mactels ARE NOT announced in January, or don't appear until March/April 06 or even later, then you should STILL wait EVEN if you were to decide to buy the latest PPC PB... reason: right now, the 15" are having serious problems... however, as time goes by, the engineers figure out solutions, and as the production run is tinkered with, after a while they actually solve some of those problems, without even having to officially do another rev (as they did with the famous white spots on the monitors awhile back). So either way, for the 15", it makes sense to wait: first for the possibility of an awesome and not too buggy Mactel, and second to give them time to fix the current revision of the 15". Good luck!
OldCorpse
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No harm. I wasn't offended, simply explaining that I do actually need a PB and not an iBook. I think that you'll find that most professional level desingers will benefit from the PB over the iB, even if the iBook will get the job done.I completely agree. I was planning to buy this latest revision of the PB, but then rumors started leaking of a mactel PB in january as well as the issues with the current PB's, so I've decided to hold off. I'm also not certain that I'll jump at the first revision of the mactel PB either. I'd like a stable system that will last a while.
Of course, right now I'm using a G3 ibook and running it to the absolute limits just to get my work done. I may get a mini in the meantime (and run that to its limits) then use it as a media machine once I get my hands on a PB.
Beck446 said:
Except I definitely, definitely do not want an x86 based PowerBook. I want the last, best PPC PowerBook. Thus I just ordered mine.
pubwvj said:
And you could have waited a month to get it, and save at LEAST 200 bucks when the new ones come out...
I get mine in just a few hours (hopefully UPS delivers on time) and so I'll know and I'll test mine in every way.
If there are lines or issues, I'll return for refund and wait 'till the event.
I'd hate to make a $2000 dollar mistake by buying a defective PB or buying right before a new, cooler, non-defective one is released (we hope).
If there are lines or issues, I'll return for refund and wait 'till the event.
I'd hate to make a $2000 dollar mistake by buying a defective PB or buying right before a new, cooler, non-defective one is released (we hope).