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Did you really need to take "some" hydrocodone?

Yes, at that point I had take a dose of painkillers so I could stay upright and deal with this ASAP :(



Let's keep it in one thread. Thanks.

That is quite a gap. My guess is when you (or someone else) open it, they are right handed and push on only the right side of the lid? I always open from the center and have no gaps.
A lesson I learned with my mega-gapped Powerbook.

Thanks for the merge! Sorry about exposing my n00bishness :eek:

These pictures were actually taken when I first removed it from the box, brand new and straight from the factory, so there shouldn't be any way the 1/8 of an inch gaps on each corner were caused by use...although, I'm really beginning to wonder what goes on in the Apple factory!




As frustrating as this experience has become for you, I really hope you stick it out until you finally get a perfect machine.

My opinion is that the case is warping during shipment and is a result of two things. First, I really think the MBP aluminum case is not sufficiently designed to handle the weight of the laptop itself.....

.....each box may not be subjected to the rigors that a single box shipment will see.

I also think you are not alone in your problems. There is certainly something amiss here and Apple needs to figure it out, especially during this time that the company is growing its products and user base. Unfortunately, Apple getting better at what they do may come at the expense of them working through the problems and frustrations of a few (or many) customers.

So again, I hope you keep trying until you are completely happy with the eventual MPB that you have in your hands. It really is a great machine and hopefully future versions will even be that much better as a result of Apple realizing any shortcomings of previous versions.


I really think you're right about it just not being very durable, especially when now I'm being told all of them are like this! There has to be a problem somewhere, either design or assembly. And it's always possible that some of this might be shipping problems: several of the boxes have arrived with marks and dents, like they've been treated none too gently by FedEx. However, none of the dents have seemed deep enough that they reached the inner packings, so IDK. Something, or several things are wrong with their system, and they need to get on it.

I'd like to keep trying, since I really do want one, but it's definitely getting to the point where I'm going to have to give up if this next one's not right. As much as I love the machine (in theory at least :rolleyes:) I just haven't seen any reason to keep doing this.


....I finally wrote sjobs@apple.com and I got the iMac freezing problem solved for EVERYONE....

....Hopefully you will get satisfaction. I would ask for a discount or free upgrade of some component on the MBP if I were you for your inconvenience.


That's reassuring to hear. Gives me hope that my complaints are not falling on deaf ears and all this back and forth might actually end up accomplishing something. As to the discount or upgrade, when I first talked to this executive relations person on Monday, I said I have never had this type of experience with any company, ever, and I'm really upset, sad, frustrated, etc., and shouldn't I be getting a discount or something at this point? He got really quiet for a few seconds, and then hesitantly said "I am authorized to tell you not quite yet."

After all this, I'm seriously wondering at what point they actually do something to try and keep my business. Like at the very least getting me what I paid for, but since that should have happened weeks ago, it's not going to be anywhere near enough to make me ever want to deal with Apple again :(




Reminds me of this recent post on TUAW:

http://www.tuaw.com/2008/08/01/apples-quality-dwindling-my-macbook-pro-sob-story/

Or rather the comments in reply, which support the idea there is a significant QC problem at Apple Inc.


I can sort of understand some issues getting through, things like single dead pixels once in a while and other display anomalies that don't show up until after the unit has been put to use, but seriously, how hard could it be to have the last person on the assembly line, maybe the person doing the boxing, glance at the lids to make sure they close evenly? Although judging by how my last 5...make that 6 weeks has gone, and what I'm now being told is 'normal', if they did that, maybe none of the MBPs would make it out of the factory!

I didn't make it through all the comments on that link, but did read the main account....and now I'm wondering even more why they keep doing nothing more than apologizing and sending out another replacement! Maybe once (if) I finally get my computer, then they are authorized to figure out some way to make up for this ordeal. Right now, it's looking like they never can.
 
wow. i thought your lids actually might have been *warped*, reading those ridiculously verbose posts...

why don't you stack a couple books on that MBP overnight, and then do what someone else said and make sure to always open it from the middle of the lid?

the MBP is at the end of its life cycle. it's beginning to show its age. your lids weren't warped at all... they were just slightly lifted off where they should be because they were JUST MANUFACTURED!

the notebook probably hadn't been in the closed position for even two weeks. let it settle down a bit before proclaiming it warped or defective.

or not. all i know is that someone a little more rational is going to be very happy with some as-good-as-new refurbs.
 
These pictures were actually taken when I first removed it from the box, brand new and straight from the factory, so there shouldn't be any way the 1/8 of an inch gaps on each corner were caused by use...although, I'm really beginning to wonder what goes on in the Apple factory!

That is really, really, really strange. I have never received an MBP (and I've received quite a few!) with that. Definitely something fishy going on here. Good luck!
 
the notebook probably hadn't been in the closed position for even two weeks. let it settle down a bit before proclaiming it warped or defective.


Did you see the pics of the lid? How can you possibly not call it warped?
 
wow. i thought your lids actually might have been *warped*, reading those ridiculously verbose posts...

why don't you stack a couple books on that MBP overnight, and then do what someone else said and make sure to always open it from the middle of the lid?

the MBP is at the end of its life cycle. it's beginning to show its age. your lids weren't warped at all... they were just slightly lifted off where they should be because they were JUST MANUFACTURED!

the notebook probably hadn't been in the closed position for even two weeks. let it settle down a bit before proclaiming it warped or defective.

or not. all i know is that someone a little more rational is going to be very happy with some as-good-as-new refurbs.


I'll try to keep this brief, since apparently you are being forced to read each and every word I type... that must be dreadful for you :p

I have never heard of brand new electronics needing a period to "settle down a bit" before they appear/perform as advertised :confused: How much time would you suggest? Wouldn't waiting or attempting to fix something like this on my own only have the end result of potentially missing the window in which an exchange is possible? The Apple agents themselves have been telling me all along that this is a defect, don't try bending it straight, and I should exchange.

Additionally, I apologize sincerely and completely for the exceedingly extraneous verbosity with which I am prone to elucidate recent occurrences. I shall attempt to remedy this inconvenience by incorporating more precision in forthcoming communications. TY BB! TTFN, CUL8R :D
 
I'll try to keep this brief, since apparently you are being forced to read each and every word I type... that must be dreadful for you :p

I have never heard of brand new electronics needing a period to "settle down a bit" before they appear/perform as advertised :confused: How much time would you suggest? Wouldn't waiting or attempting to fix something like this on my own only have the end result of potentially missing the window in which an exchange is possible? The Apple agents themselves have been telling me all along that this is a defect, don't try bending it straight, and I should exchange.

Additionally, I apologize sincerely and completely for the exceedingly extraneous verbosity with which I am prone to elucidate recent occurrences. I shall attempt to remedy this inconvenience by incorporating more precision in forthcoming communications. TY BB! TTFN, CUL8R :D

i dunno what he's on about. bent metal is bent metal.... it wont straighten itself out. the lid isnt that heavy so its certainly not going to straighten itself under its own weight.

being an engineer i would even say putting books on it while its closed probably wont work either, it'll just spring back to its original position because it'll likely only endure elastic deformation. to straighten that out you'd need to try bend the lid in the reverse direction and plastically deform it so that it stays put.

but i wouldnt risk it, it could damage other components like the screen and likely reduce the strength of the aluminium as well. that things bowed like a banana and that is something apple needs to take care of and not you.

also this chassis has been around for a while now, you'd think problems such as this would of been ironed out by now. though its probably not so much of a manufacturing problem, i bet its to do with transportation ... how well the packaging is designed and probably more importantly how the numerous postal services handle such packages.
 
~~Update Here~~

#5 arrived last week with a scratch on the lid. I agreed to "one more exchange" yet again, since the executive customer relations agent said he would have it sent to him first, and he would check everything over before sending it on to me.

#6 arrived yesterday. The lid still has some uneven gaps on each front corner, worse than #1 but nowhere near as bad as #3 or #4, and since now they are saying that's "within specs" and "they're all like that", I was frustrated that they didn't say that from the beginning but prepared to live with it. However, when I turned it on and the blue startup screen came up, the first thing I noticed was some uneven shadowing type coloration towards the right of the screen. After examining as well as we could with different colors up, my mom and I both see unevenness in the coloration... mainly some uneven shadows and a touch of blurriness on text in the bottom corners, but also some slight yellowing or lightening of some sort along the bottom edge, and some striation type fluctuations. It's all very faint, but noticeable enough that I saw it before we started looking for problems, and it would definitely get annoying when I'm trying to work. The display was one of the main things I mentioned as being important, so either he didn't check it, or maybe he just barely glanced at it so he didn't see these things? IDK what's happening, I just know I'm tired and I can't keep doing this :(

We also noticed that with #6 setting side by side with #4 (the warped one they had told me to keep to use until I got an adequate replacement), both running pixel check downloaded from the same place, with all the brightness and other settings the same, there is a huge amount of difference in what shade the colors appear as. Is that normal from computer to computer? :confused:

The agent said last time that once I get a computer I'm happy with we would discuss something that they could do to make up for this last two months, which was another factor in me trying again. But at this point I just don't think it's possible for them to provide me a MBP as they advertise on their website.

I'm at the end of my rope. Does anyone here have any thoughts/ideas/suggestions?
 
Yeah my computer came back from repair looking warped on the display--guess wha--I held the display on the iSight, and flexed the corner that was warping towards me. Now it's flush. 5 second fix.

And OP, you are way too picky. We all the displays are not always flush one way or another. Just ask for a refund and move on.
 
I held the display on the iSight, and flexed the corner that was warping towards me. Now it's flush. 5 second fix.

I did the same thing with mine. It was a little off on both sides. I help my thumbs by the isight, with the rest of my hand over the top, and very gently bent toward me working my way to the ends. I did this a couple times. Lid closes perfectly flat now.
 
Well, seems like they'll compensate you really nicely if you keep dealing with them. Sorry for your bad experiences.
 
~~Update on page two~~

After hanging up, I was having trouble letting this go so I sat down and wrote a letter, saying basically all I have told here, explaining that the whole reason I was getting the laptop was due to back pain and the act of opening and repacking computers over and over again has actually physically hurt me.

I was with you right up until you made the above statement. After a great deal of laughing I'm afraid I can no longer take you seriously. I hope for the sake of your health you get things straightened out.

darren
 
Dude, you have really bad luck. Go TO THE APPLE STORE and pick one out yourself. Make the make sure it aint warped.
 
Wow, CleverUsername I am very jealous with your strong will. I can't imagine what I'd felt if they sent me 6 bad laptops in the row for that money. :) Hold on :)
 
Wow, I was gong to say you're just hyper-sensitive, but after seeing pics I don't blame you. Maybe it's not too late to ask for the one with the scratch back :p:D.

Please, don't take the advice to try and fix it yourself. Not only will it not work, you could break the laptop and not be able to send it back.

Not being very picky about these things, I would have sent the first few back, and on maybe the second or third bent one, I'd just ask to keep it and have some of my money back. But for the money you've spent, I can definitely see where you're coming from.

Good Luck!
 
Try to use the tips they gave you (above posts) to fix the screen; if that doesn't work, try switching the screen from #5 with #6.
 
wow. i thought your lids actually might have been *warped*, reading those ridiculously verbose posts...

why don't you stack a couple books on that MBP overnight, and then do what someone else said and make sure to always open it from the middle of the lid?

the MBP is at the end of its life cycle. it's beginning to show its age. your lids weren't warped at all... they were just slightly lifted off where they should be because they were JUST MANUFACTURED!

the notebook probably hadn't been in the closed position for even two weeks. let it settle down a bit before proclaiming it warped or defective.

or not. all i know is that someone a little more rational is going to be very happy with some as-good-as-new refurbs.

I'm going to have to be rude here and say the only way you could be more of a tool is if you had a price tag from a DIY store hanging from one ear.
 
I'm going to have to be rude here and say the only way you could be more of a tool is if you had a price tag from a DIY store hanging from one ear.

ROTFL.

OP, you need to start your own website. Get punters to put up bets on which one will finally work out...
 
Yeah my computer came back from repair looking warped on the display--guess wha--I held the display on the iSight, and flexed the corner that was warping towards me. Now it's flush. 5 second fix.

And OP, you are way too picky. We all the displays are not always flush one way or another. Just ask for a refund and move on.

This is exactly what the Apple people themselves told me not to do. At this point, one of the reasons I'm so frustrated is the fact that they told me on the very first one that the warp was not normal, and that there should be no gaps. That's how this whole exchange thing started.

Even though I've now accepted that it is normal (within reason), the last two have had completely different problems.



Give it up man...they have failed you. Go buy a Vaio!

Are Vaios pretty good?


Well, seems like they'll compensate you really nicely if you keep dealing with them. Sorry for your bad experiences.

That was the vague impression the guy gave me last time, one of the reasons I gave them one more chance.


Dude, you have really bad luck. Go TO THE APPLE STORE and pick one out yourself. Make the make sure it aint warped.

Nearest Apple Store=3 hour trip each direction. First thing I tried, killed my back, didn't have what I wanted in stock despite telling me they did when I called ahead. Now I wish I had just gone for my second choice right then, but how could I have known?


Wow, CleverUsername I am very jealous with your strong will. I can't imagine what I'd felt if they sent me 6 bad laptops in the row for that money. :) Hold on :)

I've tried. I even stayed on the phone for another hour or so today while a "product specialist" had me do a PRam reset and OS reinstall on #6, even though I couldn't see any way these things could possibly fix color problems within the display itself, and then when I started talking about getting a refund the E.C.R. guy said that "wasn't the desired result" and asked me to "sit on it for the night" so he could talk to the product specialist who he had transferred me to tomorrow, since he had "never heard of color problems on MBP displays and needs an official diagnosis"



Wow, I was gong to say you're just hyper-sensitive, but after seeing pics I don't blame you. Maybe it's not too late to ask for the one with the scratch back :p:D.

Please, don't take the advice to try and fix it yourself. Not only will it not work, you could break the laptop and not be able to send it back.

Not being very picky about these things, I would have sent the first few back, and on maybe the second or third bent one, I'd just ask to keep it and have some of my money back. But for the money you've spent, I can definitely see where you're coming from.

Good Luck!

The thing is, I do have a tendency to be way over-perfectionist, which is why I've been asking my family their opinions every step of the way. My mom usually keeps me in line when I go over it ;). I think I mentioned this somewhere above, but I really do wish I had kept the very first one, the one that just had a very slight gap on one corner. At the time I thought an exchange was the right decision, since everyone, my mom, my sister, and more importantly the Apple people I talked to when I called in said that even a slight gap wasn't normal at all and I shouldn't accept it... Every replacement has just gotten worse since then :eek:


Try to use the tips they gave you (above posts) to fix the screen; if that doesn't work, try switching the screen from #5 with #6.

I have a lot of people telling me not to try bending any of the screens on my own, and I don't really think switching the screens is an option? I don't even have #5 anymore. Order went like this:

#1: Very slight bend, gap only on the right corner
#2: Dead pixel right in the middle of the screen, very annoying
#3: Worse warping, gap on the left side this time, didn't even turn it on (the first time around they had said that sometimes they won't exchange defective ones that have been turned on)
#4: Banana computer, (the one I posted pictures of) they told me to keep and use it till this is all straightened out
#5: Had scratch on the lid (about an inch or two long), sent back already last week
#6: One that just came in, was prepared to ignore any slight warp since now they're saying that's 'within specs', but can't ignore the odd shadows and striations on the display itself when turned on

I asked the E.C.R. guy if he hadn't noticed the display problems when he checked it over himself before sending it on to me, and he said "he hadn't turned it on, since the major issues I had before were cosmetic" :eek:... I really couldn't believe it. I reminded him that one of the previous problems was dead pixels in a bad location, and that in my last email I had said that he should check for any display problems, and he just kind of mumbled something about "Oh, yeah, I recall something about that" :mad:. If I thought it would do any good, I'd ask to be transferred to his superior at this point.



I'm going to have to be rude here and say the only way you could be more of a tool is if you had a price tag from a DIY store hanging from one ear.

LOL. Thanks, I really needed a good laugh :D:D:D



OP, you need to start your own website. Get punters to put up bets on which one will finally work out...

This might be the best suggestion in the whole thread, well except maybe for the Vaio one ;). My sister's saying it's time to call the BBB.
 
This might be the best suggestion in the whole thread, well except maybe for the Vaio one ;). My sister's saying it's time to call the BBB.

Dude...I've been keeping up with your post. I'd say it's hardly fair of you to contact the BBB or any other organization to file a complaint. Apple have been as accommodating as possible with the 6 laptops they've sent now.

Whilst you still aren't happy, I'd say some bending is normal. The pictures you see on apples website are renderings, so of course the real thing isn't going to look as good. Maybe they should have a disclaimer saying the product isn't being accurately represented, but most people would understand that.

I applaud you for being as persistent as I would undoubtedly be, but if the screen itself looks good, and there was only a little "bending" I'd take it and be happy at this point.
 
Dude...I've been keeping up with your post. I'd say it's hardly fair of you to contact the BBB or any other organization to file a complaint. Apple have been as accommodating as possible with the 6 laptops they've sent now.

While I agree with you about not going to the BBB, it does seem a little odd and as a future MBP purchaser myself, unsettling, that they would need 6 attempts and counting to find one in spec.

Whilst you still aren't happy, I'd say some bending is normal. The pictures you see on apples website are renderings, so of course the real thing isn't going to look as good. Maybe they should have a disclaimer saying the product isn't being accurately represented, but most people would understand that.

I applaud you for being as persistent as I would undoubtedly be, but if the screen itself looks good, and there was only a little "bending" I'd take it and be happy at this point.

How much bend is "some". I wouldn't be happy with a bend like that on the pics the OP posted. And didn't Apple themselves agree that the stuff the OP has seen isn't normal?
 
Not to be rude, but you are way too picky. If all of this back and forth with Apple is causing you physical pain, either live with the minor problems or get your money back and try a different computer maker.

God your lame...and your avatar sucks too.:rolleyes:

CleverUsername, I feel for you buddy. My SR MBP developed over 24 dead pixels within two months of purchase. I am now on my fourth LCD replacement and one logic board replacement barely a year later.

Keep on them and don't let up. These issues are unacceptable and will hurt Apples reputation in the long run as you are not the only one. They must be held accountable for this horendous quality control, especially lately with almost all of there product lines. Look, these types of threads pop up much too often.

Hang in there bud.:(
 
Are Vaios pretty good?

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This might be the best suggestion in the whole thread, well except maybe for the Vaio one ;). My sister's saying it's time to call the BBB.

Hey, if you're looking at non-Apple computers, don't get a vaio. They're just too much money for windows and sony. Of the pics I've seen of the Lenovo IdeaPads, they look really cool, especially the ultraportable. And, *ahem* they look like they could *ahem* handle OSX *ahem*google osx86*ahem*.

Hmm, I seem to be developing a cough. :rolleyes::D
 
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