MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

[flat five]

Dell Precision
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the back:

regarding that Dell..
something i find nice that they did was with the screws (or bolts?)
how they're all oriented the same..

looks pretty cool and certainly cleaner than if they were randomly rotated (which you'd generally expect to see with this type of construction).

so yeah, nice little detail there

 

[William Payne]

regarding that Dell..
something i find nice that they did was with the screws (or bolts?)
how they're all oriented the same..

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looks pretty cool and certainly cleaner than if they were random (which you'd generally expect to see with this type of construction).

Most likely threaded via CNC, so everything winds up the same.

 

[flat five]

Most likely threaded via CNC, so everything winds up the same.

yeah, robots are doing most of it.
but the little KUKA that's turning these ones is a tad smarter than previous generations.

grandpa bot was stopping them according to PSI (which visually will likely appear random)..
this guy is orienting them in only one of two possible ways.

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(however-- it's also possible that when the screws are made, they're coming out at a particular orientation and placed in a magazine... which is then fed to the bot and it's simply programed to turn xAmount of rotations since the screws are already organized.

instead of a scenario where a smart little robot is doing the sorting and installing by itself.)

 

[William Payne]

yeah, robots are doing most of it.
but the little KUKA that's turning these ones is a tad smarter than previous generations.

grandpa bot was stopping them according to PSI (which visually will likely appear random)..
this guy is orienting them in only one of two possible ways.

yeah but with modern machines its should not be too difficult. If the bolts are made via CNC as well say via a swiss lathe then if the thread in the plate is the same then everything should line up the same when threaded in.

The would only really work though if the head of the bolt is machined to the same datum as the threads.

Or it could just be a very very anal assemblyman or in this case robot.

 

[Biped]

yeah, robots are doing most of it.
but the little KUKA that's turning these ones is a tad smarter than previous generations.

grandpa bot was stopping them according to PSI (which visually will likely appear random)..
this guy is orienting them in only one of two possible ways.

--------
(however-- it's also possible that when the screws are made, they're coming out at a particular orientation and placed in a magazine... which is then fed to the bot and it's simply programed to turn xAmount of rotations since the screws are already organized.

instead of a scenario where a smart little robot is doing the sorting and installing by itself.)

The two possible orientations of the screws is messing with me. Made me think that was a stock photo, details massaged, sort of like watches pointing at 10:10.

 

[William Payne]

The two possible orientations of the screws is messing with me. Made me think that was a stock photo, details massaged, sort of like watches pointing at 10:10.

Id be willing to bet its not even a photo, could be CGI. A lot of product design shots are CGI these days.

 

[AidenShaw]

flaccID or rigID
?

(waka waka waka)

With the 3D feature it could do both.

 

[flat five]

yeah but with modern machines its should not be too difficult. If the bolts are made via CNC as well say via a swiss lathe then if the thread in the plate is the same then everything should line up the same when threaded in.

The would only really work though if the head of the bolt is machined to the same datum as the threads.

Or it could just be a very very anal assemblyman or in this case robot.

yep, i edited/added a similar thought to my post as you were typing this one
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Id be willing to bet its not even a photo, could be CGI. A lot of product design shots are CGI these days.

yeah, i think a lot (most?all?) of Apple's promo stuff is rendered 3D models instead of photographs.

i have no proof per se.. just more of a hunch over the last few years.

however, if the shot of the Dell were CGI, it'd look more perfect
(like, it would be a lot harder to make a model imperfect.. especially when the imperfections are not sought after to begin with)

 

[0388631]

Although it's possible (not probable) Apple could preview/tease it when the iMac Pro launches, outside of that scenario, we're probably looking at either April NAB or June WWDC for information. It wouldn't be out of place for Apple to preview it with a closed group with limited NDA at NAB, they did with FCPX and in a similar move previewed the 2013 Mac Pro in a blind case. In any event we should have news within the next 9 months or so.

*I believe if Apple doesn't mention anything about the modular pro when the iMac Pro launches in December we are really looking for a long wait. WWDC at the earliest.

Oh, okay. I must have jumbled up the iMac Pro launch event with the Mac Pro one, too. Oops.

 

[tomvos]

however, if the shot of the Dell were CGI, it'd look more perfect
(like, it would be a lot harder to make a model imperfect.. especially when the imperfections are not sought after to begin with)

Just do a quick google image search for "Dell 3620". Even in some of the low resolution images you can see differences between the promo shot or cgi and the real hardware.

 

[Zarniwoop]

If 8k is one of Apple's goal, someone must have, at least mentioned, AMD during MP 2018 design meetings.

Intel & Nvidia combo could not survive this test.

 

[William Payne]

If 8k is one of Apple's goal, someone must have, at least mentioned, AMD during MP 2018 design meetings.

Intel & Nvidia combo could not survive this test.

Puget systems is also selling Intel/nvidia based systems for 8k workflows. Just depends on what camp you desire to be one.

 

[Zarniwoop]

Puget systems is also selling Intel/nvidia based systems for 8k workflows. Just depends on what camp you desire to be one.

Could be, but RED's raw just didn't cut in the second system. No matter how much money you threw in it.

 

[William Payne]

Could be, but RED's raw just didn't cut in the second system. No matter how much money you threw in it.

I really would not use the Linus tech tips videos as a comparison for this. He does not yet have a purpose built 8k system yet, that is what he is working on now from what I can gather from his recent videos.

Most 8k intel systems are dual Xeons. I am not an expert on video but from what I can gather reading plenty of articles from people who do this stuff, red raw r3d footage will use as many cores as you can give it, as much ram as you can give it, and more.

Also the guy who did that thread ripper video, all his recent computer builds are AMD, nothing wrong with that but not exactly unbiased.

Hopefully one of the red guys can jump in here. I am really not experienced enough to state any opinions here.

 

[antonis]

Another Apple FIRST - CrotchID ....

- A12X biometric CPU is fact enough to recognize your crotch 3d scan image among everyone else. From many angles. It's great.

- Your crotch info is kept safely within the device's enclave. No info of your crotch is sent to apple (actually that makes me sad, I'd love to send this to apple, lately).

- Phill will come now on stage to...demonstrate it.

 

[William Payne]

Also regarding AMD, I first want to state I'm not a fanboy for any one brand of anything. I just use what I like and what works for me. I would put a potato in my computer if it did what I needed it to.

But regarding AMD in the market place today. They appear to be putting out some very competitive products at a price point that people like. However AMD is pretty much starting from scratch and need to reistablish themselves in the market by performing and giving people what they want.

We should however NOT push AMD for any other reason such as hype, fanboyism, or any intel/Nvidia hate.

AMD while putting out what looks like good stuff, are not established anymore on the top end, and need to establish their place in the market through good solid reliable performance and not hype.

Their stuff is still very new.

 

[Mago]

*I believe if Apple doesn't mention anything about the modular pro when the iMac Pro launches in December we are really looking for a long wait. WWDC at the earliest.

It was Apple behavior before last April's Mea Culpa Speech with press friends, Apple still has to Fix that.

Whatever they decided to build as the MP7,1 should be meaningful and mouth shutting, and I bet it will be introduced before year's end.

Apple could build 4 different MP to do that:

1. An Updated Single or Dual Socket Cheese-Grater would be welcome by many, but I dont believe Mr Jonny Ive to allow it, its main advantage it will allow a quicker Mac-Pro return.
2. Another is an updated Trash-Can Like but bigger and with modular (but proprietary) GPUs and Single Socket, Its advantages are keep the Apple designs hype, and HW control but barely fixes tcMP hurts.
3. An All New Form factor maybe a mix between tcMP and cMP, either with std or proprietary GPUs on board, and new techs as passive phase-change cooling (best cooling tech today IMHO), either in single or dual socket, the best choice IMHO but requires longer R&D, a long unattended market dont like it.
4. And while unlikely but still possible, an Macintosh-nizer PCIe module to convert std workstations (non-apple) into full fledged Macs with latest Mac OS features (as continuity, Security Enclave, Thunderbolt 3, AirDrop etc) with Apple premium included, its main advantage is that releases Apple by long time from R&D investment in an small market, but there are many taboos to break inside Apple before it Happens,

Whatever would load either Intel Workstation-Class Xeons or AMD Thread Ripper (which seems soon will be available in 24 and 32 core configurations) or Epyc, having std PCIe slots? unlikely if ever maybe only one or two, PCIe 8X, I Think Apple wont Allow STD GPUs again, but allowing few PCIe 8X slots will shut up the arguments from PCIe widows.

The Apple Branded, Thunderbolt Display surely will happen, but I doubt it will go beyond 5K.

 

[Peace]

It was Apple behavior before last April's Mea Culpa Speech with press friends, Apple still has to Fix that.

Whatever they decided to build as the MP7,1 should be meaningful and mouth shutting, and I bet it will be introduced before year's end.

Apple could build 4 different MP to do that:

1. An Updated Single or Dual Socket Cheese-Grater would be welcome by many, but I dont believe Mr Jonny Ive to allow it, its main advantage it will allow a quicker Mac-Pro return.
2. Another is an updated Trash-Can Like but bigger and with modular (but proprietary) GPUs and Single Socket, Its advantages are keep the Apple designs hype, and HW control but barely fixes tcMP hurts.
3. An All New Form factor maybe a mix between tcMP and cMP, either with std or proprietary GPUs on board, and new techs as passive phase-change cooling (best cooling tech today IMHO), either in single or dual socket, the best choice IMHO but requires longer R&D, a long unattended market dont like it.
4. And while unlikely but still possible, an Macintosh-nizer PCIe module to convert std workstations (non-apple) into full fledged Macs with latest Mac OS features (as continuity, Security Enclave, Thunderbolt 3, AirDrop etc) with Apple premium included, its main advantage is that releases Apple by long time from R&D investment in an small market, but there are many taboos to break inside Apple before it Happens,

Whatever would load either Intel Workstation-Class Xeons or AMD Thread Ripper (which seems soon will be available in 24 and 32 core configurations) or Epyc, having std PCIe slots? unlikely if ever maybe only one or two, PCIe 8X, I Think Apple wont Allow STD GPUs again, but allowing few PCIe 8X slots will shut up the arguments from PCIe widows.

The Apple Branded, Thunderbolt Display surely will happen, but I doubt it will go beyond 5K.

If Apple wants to sell any of those ??MP to people editing 8k video it better have an 8K display in order to show it does it with Apple hardware.

 

[Mago]

If Apple wants to sell any of those ??MP to people editing 8k video it better have an 8K display in order to show it does it with Apple hardware.

8K unlikely to arrive to mainstream, actually 8K is used only as Master Original Copy not for public release, Master Copies are down-graded to 4K before edition process, its a quality preservation workflow for Originals but unlikely you'll see that on another place than an iMax Cinema, I believe classic motion pictures wont go beyond 4K, we could see more than 4K in future 3D-360 immersive videos, but not on flat-screen movies.

Have you ever saw a picture in a 8K Display? even if you have kid' vision 20:20 or better you cant tell the difference among it and a 4K.

The worst part is TB3 dont support 8K, this measn it wont be a Thunderbolt Display, as much an HDMI or dual Display Port setup.

8K display will remain very niche by long time.

Further, a 5K TB3 display is a product needs be shared by all current Mac Ecosystem from MBP to iMacs and surely the next Mac Mini as well the MP7,1

 

[wallysb01]

8K unlikely to arrive to mainstream, actually 8K is used only as Master Original Copy not for public release, Master Copies are down-graded to 4K before edition process, its a quality preservation workflow for Originals but unlikely you'll see that on another place than an iMax Cinema, I believe classic motion pictures wont go beyond 4K, we could see more than 4K in future 3D-360 immersive videos, but not on flat-screen movies.

Have you ever saw a picture in a 8K Display? even if you have kid' vision 20:20 or better you cant tell the difference among it and a 4K.

The worst part is TB3 dont support 8K, this measn it wont be a Thunderbolt Display, as much an HDMI or dual Display Port setup.

8K display will remain very niche by long time.

Further, a 5K TB3 display is a product needs be shared by all current Mac Ecosystem from MBP to iMacs and surely the next Mac Mini as well the MP7,1

I laugh at 8K, what do I need a 50" screen 1 ft from my face? Am I watching TV with binoculars on? I still have 42" 720 plasma and when I go visit friends with 50"+ 4K, I'm not really that impressed (and yes, I have 20:20). Honestly, its the power bill running the plasma that has me thinking about a change more than the actual viewing experience. But a true upgrade in viewing quality is going to be OLED 4K, and I'll wait until those are ~$1000 for the 55, or maybe ~$1500 65.
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If Apple wants to sell any of those ??MP to people editing 8k video it better have an 8K display in order to show it does it with Apple hardware.

Is 8K rendering really likely to be on workstations though?

 

[ixxx69]

regarding that Dell..
something i find nice that they did was with the screws (or bolts?)
how they're all oriented the same..

View attachment 718352


looks pretty cool and certainly cleaner than if they were randomly rotated (which you'd generally expect to see with this type of construction).

so yeah, nice little detail there

Uhh, you do understand those product images are photoshopped, and the screws really aren't perfectly aligned like that?

 

[flat five]

Uhh, you do understand those product images are photoshopped, and the screws really aren't perfectly aligned like that?

if the actual product doesn't look like that then i'd be more inclined to think the screws were aligned like that manually for the photograph instead of photoshopped.
(and sure.. they may not be like that on the product stocked in stores)..

but yeah, they may just be photoshopped (while some of the other, less noticeable, details which aren't perfectly aligned have been left alone).

or.. it may just be a rendered model.

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none of which negate the fact that i like how they're arranged in the image.. that was what my point was.
if the actual builds aren't like that then that's lame.. they should be (and a company like Apple/BMW/Braun/etc would likely make sure they are.. (well, they'd actually not show any screws or make their orientation much less prominent/visible))

 

[OS6-OSX]

regarding that Dell..
something i find nice that they did was with the screws (or bolts?)
how they're all oriented the same..

I must need the 8k monitors all of you are using to see these screws. With 6 posts talking about them they must really be something to behold! On my old LaCie 324 all I see is this:

 

[iPadified]

Quite apologetic

iPhone users do not exist if there is no iPhone apps, so they are economically the most important objective, but strategically the developers are the most important user base.

Machine Learning is quite CPU/GPU intensive, the iMac Pro its not enough, serious ML developers are running rigs from 4 GPU to 16 GPUs, and not just because they want to look Macho with as many gpu, in ML training is a huge cpu time consuming part of the development effort, GPUs do it the best (until the new Google Tensor training processor gets out Google's servers rooms), but a single Vega 64 is not rival to Quad-GTX1080ti (the most popular ML setup out there, ask @AidenShaw about he knows a thing or two about).

the point is for as long as 2 years the Mac Pro needed an update that wasn't even on the cards, WHY THIS HAPPENED?

Ok the TC-MP was a Mistake, why they didn't notice that soon enough (because they where on other duties not caring the Pro needs)

I am not apologising for anything - just drawing conclusions based on possible strategic scenario: 1. Largerst earner is iOS devices. 2. developers need hardware to develope iOS apps. 3. Current line is propably sufficient.

As I have said earlier, maybe the current line WAS sufficient because new things are comming up like AR, as you said Machine learning and 8K.

Quad GTX 1080Ti outperform a single VEGA 64 - true but I would expect that the majority of quad GTX cards setups are found in servers rather than single user work stations. There are many who have access to compute servers that make a quad GTX machine looks like a joke compute wise. I think Apples line up the last years has been aimed at OK work station performance connected with strong servers in the background doing the heavy lifting. This is not a particularly unique setup.

For my information: Are these 4-16 GPU used for iOS Development? Are these machines used as servers of workstations connected to servers?

Remember, Apple left the server market years ago.

 

[filmak]

iDont

This is a successful name for many recent Apple products, and the answer to your thoughts

I must need the 8k monitors all of you are using to see these screws. With 6 posts talking about them they must really be something to behold! On my old LaCie 324 all I see is this:
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Nothing to discuss about.
No screws, no discussion...