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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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Maybe for the updated 5K HDR TB3D.
Maybe for the updated 5K HDR TB3D.
I'm not as hurry on a nMP than on a new Macbook Pro, my MP is doing well wtb I like TB3 features (As to plug an nVidia Compute GPU or maybe an Xeon Phi eMIC), but I have no Macbook now, I use an iPad pro as naive fanboy, no way it can replace a real Mac on the go.
[doublepost=1466098330][/doublepost]About DarknetGuy, he/she maybe not that inaccurate at all, remember most Blogs anticipated an "light on hardware" WWDC when actually it was A NO HARDWARE, so I think we miss could miss something and Apple expect an better focused audience than one distracted on the News, that's has nothing to do with Apple feelings, its just cold and rationale marketing.
I see realistic an August Release for the new MacBook Pro, also a Mac Pro, all the Parts required for both are available (except Vega GPU, BTW Apple could skip to offer an D700 replacement or use an a Based Gpu W8100), DaknetGuy has said nothing about Wich specific GPU but the MP will be offered with Two Rendering GPU and one Compute GPU, we know the Render GPU should be Polaris Based, but no rela cue on that compute GPU, maybe Vega or another currently available as W8100, other leakeers insist on somthing like a rebranded Fury Nano, which lacks sense since Polaris 10 XT match its perfomace on less thant its 75%TDP, but maybe this leak is based on some diffuse info they handle about the D700 replacement, which would be based on a efficient 28nm gpu, maybe they associate it with fury nano, when I see an better candidate on W8100 with similar TDP/Perf ratio but good 1:2 DP compute.
Now chinese blogs point at a silent relese this mont on a rMBA'13 and later for rMBP's.
I dont think Apple will delay enough the MBP release as to coincide with Intel Kaby Lake, given these MBP will be based on Skylake.
[doublepost=1466098330][/doublepost]About DarknetGuy, he/she maybe not that inaccurate at all, remember most Blogs anticipated an "light on hardware" WWDC when actually it was A NO HARDWARE, so I think we miss could miss something and Apple expect an better focused audience than one distracted on the News, that's has nothing to do with Apple feelings, its just cold and rationale marketing.
I see realistic an August Release for the new MacBook Pro, also a Mac Pro, all the Parts required for both are available (except Vega GPU, BTW Apple could skip to offer an D700 replacement or use an a Based Gpu W8100), DaknetGuy has said nothing about Wich specific GPU but the MP will be offered with Two Rendering GPU and one Compute GPU, we know the Render GPU should be Polaris Based, but no rela cue on that compute GPU, maybe Vega or another currently available as W8100, other leakeers insist on somthing like a rebranded Fury Nano, which lacks sense since Polaris 10 XT match its perfomace on less thant its 75%TDP, but maybe this leak is based on some diffuse info they handle about the D700 replacement, which would be based on a efficient 28nm gpu, maybe they associate it with fury nano, when I see an better candidate on W8100 with similar TDP/Perf ratio but good 1:2 DP compute.
Now chinese blogs point at a silent relese this mont on a rMBA'13 and later for rMBP's.
I dont think Apple will delay enough the MBP release as to coincide with Intel Kaby Lake, given these MBP will be based on Skylake.
AdamSeen
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Mago said:
He flat out lied about Orlando shooting being a reason. When someone uses excuses like that, even one, the rest of their credibility vanishes.
It's far better to speculate based on an ideal spec, road maps and logic, because that's all we can do. I cannot see them putting in a 28nm GPU inside the Mac Pro for the next gen. Perf/watt improvements of the W8100 will be miniscule compared from the jump of 28nm to 14nm. With 4 times as many transistors in the same area, there's a theoretical 4x improvement in perf/watt to be had this generation - although in reality there are many factors that affect that and the power of the card is not solely used for the GPU silicon (RAM, capacitors, etc..).
Imho better parts for an update are in production a little bit after the nMP release.
Do you really think that the absence of parts was ever a reason for not updating?
even a better PSU would be an update.
see how many updates the mbps and iMacs had from then...
(Of course right now almost all Macs of the current line are outdated...)
Unfortunately macs are semi-abandoned products nowadays...
There is a substantive issue in that 2nd diagram. The grayscale panel has it own DisplayPort link back to the GPU. If the 'front' is a 5K 10bit color DP link then where is this second bandwidth channel coming from? The grayscale can be a 8 bit but still have 5k ( and 8K when move up) worth of pixels to cover. Then have to synchronize all of it ( doable but... at what cost. ). In short, pragmatically moving past 10 bits if not backing off of the color info the the color panel. If moving to 10/color + 8 bits per pixel for 5k that will add up. Even 10/color + 4 (compressed encoding ) would be a step up (although really limited grayscale; 16 shades).
For iOS devices two LCD screens will definitely increase thickness. That's going to send Ive and the ever thinner crowd into convulsions. Don't see that happening anytime soon.
I haven't looked up DarknetGuy, but where is he/she posting?
Considering the recent leaks, rMBP might be coming pretty soon, or not. I believe it will, maybe after summer, and since Kaby Lake was delayed it will be based on Sky Lake. All USB-C seems cool. Not sure about the OLED panel though.
I guess all the new hardware might come with Sierra in September, but it's odd that no support is visible yet, maybe it's just Apple keeping it as secret as possible till the last minute. Or maybe they're just focusing on having it tuned for the current hardware before they support new stuff. I think nMP will wait for Vega in October or later.
When it comes to the lineup, I'd venture they'll have:
MBA
11" just for the entry level Mac user, no Retina display update ever.
13" will disappear, although it's strange they recently updated it with 8GB
rMB
12" already updated
14" to replace MBA 13"
rMBP
13" Retina with some weird res near 4K
15" Retina 4K
iMac to become just Mac
21" 4K
24" something in between 4K and 5K
27" 5K
Mac Pro
As usual, but updated specs
TB3D 27" 5K and possibly the same 21" 4K and 24" with whatever
This would streamline the lineup. Apart from the MBA that would only serve as an entry point to new Apple users on a budget, we'd get MacBook and MacBook Pro for consumer/pro on the go, and Mac and Mac Pro with the same target audience but for the desktop.
It would at least clean up their act, right?
Considering the recent leaks, rMBP might be coming pretty soon, or not. I believe it will, maybe after summer, and since Kaby Lake was delayed it will be based on Sky Lake. All USB-C seems cool. Not sure about the OLED panel though.
I guess all the new hardware might come with Sierra in September, but it's odd that no support is visible yet, maybe it's just Apple keeping it as secret as possible till the last minute. Or maybe they're just focusing on having it tuned for the current hardware before they support new stuff. I think nMP will wait for Vega in October or later.
When it comes to the lineup, I'd venture they'll have:
MBA
11" just for the entry level Mac user, no Retina display update ever.
13" will disappear, although it's strange they recently updated it with 8GB
rMB
12" already updated
14" to replace MBA 13"
rMBP
13" Retina with some weird res near 4K
15" Retina 4K
iMac to become just Mac
21" 4K
24" something in between 4K and 5K
27" 5K
Mac Pro
As usual, but updated specs
TB3D 27" 5K and possibly the same 21" 4K and 24" with whatever
This would streamline the lineup. Apart from the MBA that would only serve as an entry point to new Apple users on a budget, we'd get MacBook and MacBook Pro for consumer/pro on the go, and Mac and Mac Pro with the same target audience but for the desktop.
It would at least clean up their act, right?
Depends upon the goal for the Mac Pro. Is it merely a product they incrementally polish into a even better product or is it more so a statement product only "needed" periodically ( a hobby product).
The new Mac Pro didn't need TB v2 per se. Yet it waited on it. The indications are they are not just waiting for parts because specific parts to a specific threshold of newness. IMHO, it is the tail-wagging-the0-dog when a TB part is hanging up a whole system.
It is probably not so much the parts, but the bundling of the parts. The X , Y , and Z all need to iterate to get to a new system. The broader the coupling, the slower the updates are going to get. If E5 , GPU generations , and TB all have to be new to release then that will lead to longer upgrade cycles. Throw on top the need for software (that has been trailing edge... more stable, "pro"-like GPU drivers ) and get what is very close to the Mac Pro's current pace.
For some reason Apple seems to be targeting the tail end of the socket generation (e.g., v2 , v4 ) so can walk into a 'dead end' design. Perhaps they are getting increased stabliity ( the glitches in v1 , v3 , etc . are 'paid for' by someone else). I don't think Apple is in a hurry because the customer base largely isn't in hurry either ( in contrast to general laptop, iOS device market). That is why doesn't match rest of the main Mac line up in update frequency.
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Or nuke the 11" and move the 13" down into the 11's price point. That would make more sense.
I don't think folks want the smaller screen as much as the cheaper price. Just deliver the now "legacy" screen at a lower price. ( The 11->13" difference is not a $100 difference. Just stop perpetrating that it is. )
Unless the 12" moves down into the MBA 11" or 13" price point it doesn't replace anything. So the 14" isn't going to replace the MBA 13". Can't replace the MBA with even higher priced stuff. Someone is drinking gallons of Cupertino kool-aid at Apple if they think they can get away with that. Apple would do wonders just to keep the current average selling price point. They aren't going higher. Especially not in the mainstream market.
Bet it is "even thinner" rather than a change in resolution. If not thinner then I would expect bigger SSDs rather than a screen component price increase. Apple can keep their SSD prices higher is crank up the capacity.
Perhaps a 24" at 4K that is lower priced. ( less dense pixels ... lower cost ) and couple that to the MBA 13" Core i5 for cost savings. ( this becomes the $1099 or $899-999 special largely sold into the edu and "receptionist workstation" market. )
Leave the higher end 21" >4K to the more capable desktop Iris packages.
And 27" 5K to the even higher still price points.
( Perhaps a new 27" 5K at the high end with wider color gamut. )
If finish the transition to "Retina" across all of iMac, Apple can switch to a trickle down of "deeper color".
At this point over last 6 years, the "as usual" ... is no updates .
Or this left as 3rd party opportunity and Apple just does a more simple 24" 4K model that can be more comfortably driven by a larger, broader set of the deployed Mac systems out there.
5K is dubious because only a very small fraction of Mac base can even drive it. If limited to just the brand new systems.
Apple still has the classic MBP 13" 2012 lurking in the line up. Streamlining doesn't seem to be a top priority anymore. It is more a question if Apple wants to update for the markets they are in ( including a relatively low-entry cost somewhat modular laptop. )
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They never had trouble selling at a higher price point. The entry level models are just... whatever.
Their business is not selling "cheaper" stuff, it's the brand value.
I wouldn't see them having only a mid-range 24incher without the top 27" 5K, since the iMac has gone 5K already, and specially not being exactly a Pro machine.
Not having a Pro display is a bad choice, even if 3rd parties have them. Support will always be dubious. And a doubled down Retina of the current TBD would maintain the same visuals, while becoming Retina as it's their trend. And for the lower res laptops would be perfect also. And Apple doesn't seem to need or care if older products go well with the new stuff anyway.
You really see them offering only a 4K display, while they advertise the nMP being capable of driving a slew of 5K displays? That would seem backwards.
Or maybe they're just in a dead end regarding the dual DP1.2 MST or DP1.3 HDR or whatever they decide to dive it with.
rMBP being thinner is almost certain, bigger SSDs I very much doubt it, but higher res screens are already over due. Any Windows machine nowadays has it, not that they care much.
[doublepost=1466114175][/doublepost]http://wccftech.com/radeon-rx-470-crossfire-3dmark-11-benchmarks/
Their business is not selling "cheaper" stuff, it's the brand value.
I wouldn't see them having only a mid-range 24incher without the top 27" 5K, since the iMac has gone 5K already, and specially not being exactly a Pro machine.
Not having a Pro display is a bad choice, even if 3rd parties have them. Support will always be dubious. And a doubled down Retina of the current TBD would maintain the same visuals, while becoming Retina as it's their trend. And for the lower res laptops would be perfect also. And Apple doesn't seem to need or care if older products go well with the new stuff anyway.
You really see them offering only a 4K display, while they advertise the nMP being capable of driving a slew of 5K displays? That would seem backwards.
Or maybe they're just in a dead end regarding the dual DP1.2 MST or DP1.3 HDR or whatever they decide to dive it with.
rMBP being thinner is almost certain, bigger SSDs I very much doubt it, but higher res screens are already over due. Any Windows machine nowadays has it, not that they care much.
[doublepost=1466114175][/doublepost]http://wccftech.com/radeon-rx-470-crossfire-3dmark-11-benchmarks/
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Whatever this nMP 2.0 is gonna be... I know they gonna emphasize emojis in 5k with talking animation.
Oh gosh did I just say that!?
Face slap to self-
Oh gosh did I just say that!?
Face slap to self-
JimGoshorn
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And with their back to Mac efforts, they will include the emoji insertion feature from Messages so that you can have emojis in all the texts that you type 😀
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After reading what 666 said about nMP and Polaris, is amd still relevant to Apple?
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Noooooo.....lol
Competition is readying up.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10427...-e5-v4-with-up-to-8-cores-nvidia-quadro-m6000
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10427...-e5-v4-with-up-to-8-cores-nvidia-quadro-m6000
No trouble at all in the edu market ..... nope not one single sign.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/chromebooks-outsold-macs-for-the-first-time-in-the-us.1973484/
http://9to5mac.com/2016/01/13/ipads-versus-chromebooks-education/
Or not. At the middle of their market yeah the have been and still on pretty solid ground to "trend water". At the edges though. There are problems.
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/04/15/la-school-district-ipad-deal-refund/
"... Under the agreement, Apple will pay the district $4.2 million. "
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-la-unified-ipad-settlement-20150925-story.html
At the upper end of the market > $7K workstation.... there is enough posted examples in this forum to indicate some folks are walking away. Not everybody, but I don't think even the kool-aid drinkers in Cupertino actually think what they have on the market right now is competitive.
even in PC larger market some hiccups.
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/11/gartner-idc-pc-shipments-1q16/
roughly flat worldwide and a bit under flat in US. Apple was outpacing classic PC market. Now in stage where mostly treading water.
iPhones going flat is why the stock prices doesn't look like it did a year ago.
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=AAPL+Interactive#{"allowChartStacking":true}
and Apple isn't selling 2-3 year iPhones as the entry model; introduced iPhone SE.
"Brand" doesn't run one lick of software or solve any significant customer problem at all.
No, Apple doesn't have to compete only on cost, but throwing millions at development of at $10K watch for the 0.0001% of the world is a company with its head up its butt if the company is suppose to be about "changing the world" as opposed to hanging out with the rich and famous. Apple has pulled that trinket from their stores and I'd be surprised if get another by Apple Watch 3 revision. ( might have been too late nuke it for Apple Watch 2).
The "Thunderbolt Display" is a docking station; not a display. It's primarily target market is not the Mac Pro. iMacs already have a 5K display. Why doesn't do a large fraction of iMac customers desperately need another one? They just bought one. The primary docking station buyers are those with laptops. So the question is what percent of Mac laptops can drive a 5K display? Answer not many. So why cut those other Macs out?
The Thunderbolt Display docking station was one of the first TB devices onto the market in 2011 and has not moved one lick in 5 year years. If there was "urgency" attached to this product there certainly isn't much to show for it. It even bypassed TBv2 and the transition to "thin" iMac market changes.
Bull. It is a display standard interface that other monitors just plug into. It lis like saying Apple has to be in the switch business because 3rd parties can't provide quality connectivity. There was no Apple 4K monitor at Mac Pro 2013 launch and those sold like hotcakes for 3-4 months. Little rational reason why it wouldn't happen again as it has already been done.
Apple left the display business 6 years ago. Haven't built a new display in since 2004 ( 12 years ) ! This has been a designated 3rd party opportunity space for over a decade. It is only the deeply myopic who keep looking at Apple's docking station as a display who can't see this.
Apple needs a display docking station that most Mac laptops can use ( perhaps with a TB2->TB3 adapter). If they don't deliver that ... it will probably fail since that is the primary market.
We'll see. I think there was an earlier post about Apple getting into the more custom PCIe SSD market. They have their own controller (acquisition). They are one of biggest buyers of Flash chips. There is little good reason why they couldn't up the capacity at the same higher than market average price they sell SSDs at. Let alone let a slight drop in Retina screen costs offset an increase in budget given to SSD capacity (or some other do-dad they want to add to the MBP; LED screen function keys. ). SSD average prices have been dropping. Apple could pay same prices as 1-2 years ago and just buy "more" capacity with no change in component cost to them.
Over due how? Apple KB doc
" ...
Dell UP2715K 27-inch 5K display is supported on the following Mac computers: ..."
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206587
Anyone with cash can deploy one right within days (or hours depending if local store has one or have to wait for it to ship and arrive.). Any other vendor using same underlying panel and display controller will probably work also ( it isn't just one single monitor that is viable ).
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Apple doesn't have to put Mac Pro framebuffers into the first beta build of macOS Sierra if they aren't shipping any time soon (like next month or so) . If there were no Nvidia appropriate framebuffers either then it really doesn't say one thing one way or the other about AMD if both are missing viable candidate.
If there are new Polaris 10 and 11 GPUs shipped in late June- early September Macs then yeah there should be present in macOS Sierra now ( which probably ships in October ). All hardware released before the target general ship date for the OS should be in the builds now ( so it can be tested for that general release).
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Another words there should have been some indication of macOS... But as 666 stated nothing, right?
"Nothing designed for nMP" ...
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...is-announcements.1975249/page-3#post-23013616
Not sure what criteria "designed for" means. Specially looking for >= 6 framebuffers? May not be 6 and still be Mac Pro.
If Apple has decent configuration, source control, and build mechanisms (and committers are not asleep at the wheel) there is no reason why they have to put private stuff in a semi-public beta build. There should be more than one alternative builds that are only for internal only consumption. The Mac Pro's drivers / plist /etc can just be in one of those and still be making progress toward release eventually. All the more so if not up for immediate-short term release.
Devices close to a roll out are probably outside of a small set of NDA labs at this point so they probably should be weaved into the developers beta because that is easier way to distribute the OS to more than just a handful of local sites.
antonis
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I think it's more logical, because the most of the MacBooks can't drive successfully a 5k monitor, don't forget the docking station nature of the TB display is targeting MacBooks and minis... Mac pro is an exception driving 5k monitors and for sure a smaller percentage in macs sold...
Of course Apple is now out of logic, about their computer systems, so we will have to wait and see...
lowendlinux
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koyoot
macrumors 603
Mac Pro has its own specific frame buffer. Every single Mac has it. It has nothing to do with clocks, thermal envelope, etc.
What 666 meant was that in Sierra so far there is none of the new DeviceID's linked to Mac Pro. On the other hand, AMD Fiji DeviceID is linked to Mac Pro frame buffer for quite some time. Does it indicate anything apart from that "somebody" is testing "anything"?
What 666 meant was that in Sierra so far there is none of the new DeviceID's linked to Mac Pro. On the other hand, AMD Fiji DeviceID is linked to Mac Pro frame buffer for quite some time. Does it indicate anything apart from that "somebody" is testing "anything"?
macOS sierra includes stock KEXT for either in production articles or compatibility test, If you wana to test the nMP prototype on new hardware and don't you want get caught , what you do? to mock-up the nnMP as another Mac.
What I see is Aple testing nnMP on a different ID or the nnMP will use nVidia GPUs (yes pleaaseeeee), ask for another new DeviceID, maybe we have some Pascal GP100 hidding.