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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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Apple´ s Damage control surely will sneak peek something next week, no matter if comes available 2020.
dont hold your breath, I dont believe Apple will launch something "Pro" useful for people not doing media/arts/VR work, even Core ML likely to run in linux farms for Machine Learning and on iThing/Mac as inference, except those small projects happy with single/dual Vega64 performance.
I fear the MMP to be modular as Apple likes modularity (propietary, closed, Made For Mac), and to offer as much as dual Vega/Navi setup on something with more in common with the tcMP than the cgMP...
Apple is killing the Mac, period, remaining Mac will be repurported to only Apple-ecosystem related duties, no science, no engineering, no CAD, Apple dont profit from Autodesk, R, Python and Free/software & Co, those on the top of performance demands.
I'm not saying they won't, but how many events now has Apple done where it was said that they HAD to show something Mac Pro related for damage control?
Aldaris
macrumors 68000
Only WWDC, in my opinion. The only events in 2018 were a spring iPad education event, wwdc, September iPhone event, and upcoming October event. So it’s either October or 6 more months till the next April “dog ate our homework” round table.
Yes IMO the 2018 WWDC was the only event where it was expected to have tangible Mac Pro information coming out at all. As a result, since Apple got absolutely nothing to show, in April (?) the journalist campus visit / pro-workflow BS was thrown out as a preemptive measure.
I also agree with the above, that part of the reason for the original roundtable to happen at all was to bounce off some potential criticism towards iMac Pro. If the prospects of an actual modular Mac Pro (how ever vague as it is) does not exists, then the iMac Pro would have been seen as a sole and direct continuation of the tcMP, you can imagine the sort of internet bashing if that's the case.
fokmik
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Remember the press from 2017 ? from there is the quote
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yes, but to present at WWDC a product that is 1 year away....the 2013 one was presented at WWDC but was release after 6 months...so, if next Mac Pro is ready for next year WWDC, then Apple could mention it on 30
Oculus Mentis
macrumors regular
Apple doesn't profit from those use cases because, when it started designing the tcMP back at the beginning of this decade, Machine Learning, AI & VR were not even on its radar...
Mac OS, because of its UNIX heritage, is well suited to support those use cases. If at Apple they come up with the supporting hardware they can make tons of money.
I don't think many people actually prefer Mac OS just to run the Adobe software stack.
edgerider
macrumors 6502
Aldaris
macrumors 68000
Nothing close to a date was given.
https://daringfireball.net/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives
(Written by someone who was there).
In the TechCrunch interview last April they said it would be a 2019 product.
https://9to5mac.com/2018/04/05/mac-pro-2019/
https://9to5mac.com/2018/04/05/mac-pro-2019/
askunk
macrumors 6502a
"(...) we’ve asked the team to go and re-architect and design something great for the future that those Mac Pro customers who want more EXPANDABILITY, more UPGRADABILITY in the FUTURE. It’ll meet more of those needs." (P. Schiller, 2017)
I know lots of people are sceptics towards the "modular" term, but he also used other words which may lead to two scenarios:
1) freedom to upgrade with commercial third-party products
2) Apple sells its own daughter cards at a premium or PCI-E cards with modified EFI
Given they are "listening to pro users to understand where the workflow has bottlenecks"... come on! It HAS to be option no.1! 😀
I know lots of people are sceptics towards the "modular" term, but he also used other words which may lead to two scenarios:
1) freedom to upgrade with commercial third-party products
2) Apple sells its own daughter cards at a premium or PCI-E cards with modified EFI
Given they are "listening to pro users to understand where the workflow has bottlenecks"... come on! It HAS to be option no.1! 😀
Biped
macrumors regular
I have it on good information that Apple was prepared to unveil a new macpro at the Oct 30th event,
However ...
As is the trend in today's world, their engineering and development teams were gently coerced into signing a Code of Conduct agreement.
So all development has halted while the teams scramble to find & replace all references to 'Master / Slave', 'Little / Big Endian', 'Whitelist / Blacklist', etc.. within the libraries going all the way back to nextstep days.
The engineering teams have been pulling their hair out 'trying to design a gender neutral expansion port' with not much success.
The design teams have been tasked to ensure all peripherals are able to consent before being engaged with.
The new requirements have pushed any release announcement to Q4 2019 and potentially further
However ...
As is the trend in today's world, their engineering and development teams were gently coerced into signing a Code of Conduct agreement.
So all development has halted while the teams scramble to find & replace all references to 'Master / Slave', 'Little / Big Endian', 'Whitelist / Blacklist', etc.. within the libraries going all the way back to nextstep days.
The engineering teams have been pulling their hair out 'trying to design a gender neutral expansion port' with not much success.
The design teams have been tasked to ensure all peripherals are able to consent before being engaged with.
The new requirements have pushed any release announcement to Q4 2019 and potentially further
It would be better if he said that "It’ll meet those needs" without the "more of".
So, there will be some trade offs.
We can still be worried enough...
🙂
There are three reasons why I doubt it's option 1:
1. If it was option 1, it perhaps might not take them as long as it is taking to engineer that product.
2. If it was option 1, they perhaps wouldn't need to go and do that "Pro Workflow" analysis that they discussed.
3. Option 1 would be completely contrary to Apple's apparent architectural and commercial principles.
My view remains that any modularity or upgradeability of the Mac Pro will come via proprietary Apple components.
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Yes, part of the reality distortion field on this forum is all the people that insist on what Apple MUST DO (or conversely MUST NOT DO) in order to avoid some sort of disastrous consequences.... but yet Apple ignore that and somehow manage to survive.
If Apple believes there is a material net upside from talking about the Mac Pro at the October event then they will. If they don't, they won't. Personally I'm not quite sure what that upside would be - whereas I can see several downsides - but they will of course come to their own conclusion.
Surely the upside of providing some information at the October event is to try and halt the ongoing exodus of 'pros' from the Mac platform. I've been waiting nearly eight years to upgrade my 12-core Mac Pro. I (just) managed to put off buying the iMac Pro, but I'm really running out of patience. If there's no news next week – and if there's any shred of truth in the post above about it being potentially Q4 next year – it'll be hugely disappointing. I have no desire to move to a PC, but the situation is rapidly becoming farcical ($250 billion in the bank and it can't make a computer). I could possibly upgrade my GPU (again) to stave off my frustration, but I may just say screw it and go iMac Pro.
Neodym
macrumors 68030
*looks at calendar* Is it April 1st already? Please tell me you just forgot the appropriate smileys to your (hopefully hoax) post, pretty PLEASE!
Oculus Mentis
macrumors regular
After all these years of alleged workflow analysis by Apple boffins I would not be surprised if they reintroduce NuBus...
Okay, so what information would they have to provide at the event in order to "halt the ongoing exodus of 'pros'"? They've already had two press events where they have told pros "We're working on the new Mac Pro, it's not ready yet, but it's going to be great" - it wouldn't add any value to just reiterate that for a third time at the October event, so they would need to do provide something beyond that. And if it's really going to "halt the ongoing exodus" then it would need to be specific enough that it tells pros that the new product is worth waiting for, which probably means describing enough about what the product IS, and enough about WHEN the product will be released, and both of those are things that Apple almost never does - as well as open the door to other OEMs then racing to copy it. So yes, there might be the upside of halting the exodus, but there are also downsides that mean that the net upside for Apple may not be compelling.
mattspace
macrumors 68040
"the graphics, ram, processors and storage will be implemented with standard, off-the-shelf, user-upgradable components, like every other pro workstation in the industry".
And what do you think is the likelihood of them saying that next week? I know what I think the likelihood is.
I think people are expecting too much.
SWJ the new Hippies, on huge steroids dose.
I'm Jewish descendant (I'm not Jewish), and all that political correctness happening at Python and other FOS projects, just make me laugh, who cares to avoid using Black, Slave, words when is proper and not addressing real people?
I think on Venezuelan, these poor people (F*up by then SJW), have a clever idea, there Negro (n1gger Black) somehow a kind of honor to be named Negro there, as there Negro Means you have a Brother, Friend status, don't care if you are blond or Afro-descendant, is an big honor being named Negro at Venezuela, as Esclavo while not that gorgeous, isn't a shameful expression either,
HP cant be more Happy than other on Apple neglect to address real PRO markets.
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OEMs then racing to copy it????
HP is killing apple right now
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/mac-to-z/index.html
aaronhead14
macrumors 65816
This video made me really sad. It's deeply disheartening to see Apple's passion and excitement about the Mac Pro back in 2006 vs. Apple's complete lack of interest in professional hardware today. 🙁
I'm not sure how "right now" is relevant when we're talking about something new being introduced that may change the competitive landscape.
In any case, you don't believe that there is a risk that if Apple talks about the Mac Pro in October then other manufacturers will start thinking about how to replicate whatever innovation or other differentiation it may include? Because that's what happens for pretty much every other Apple product.