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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

mattspace said:
I remember multihoming / aggregation has been mentioned several times as something TB can do, but I've never heard of anyone or anything using it.
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True, though there are similar solutions which have been adopted by Apple for DP (5K display internal wiring) and by many operators with Ethernet (2x 1 Gbps port, for example = 2 Gbps throughput)

I am 70/30 for Apple to start adopting TB4. After all, they have been pioneering TB2 and TB3 as standards on their machines.
 
mattspace said:
I remember multihoming / aggregation has been mentioned several times as something TB can do, but I've never heard of anyone or anything using it.

Personally, I think the 3 slot leaks / fakes are a pretty good compromise, for example:
  • displays GPU
  • VR HMD-driving GPU
  • SDI capture
Would make a machine that's pretty impressive as turnkey for onsite 8k+ 360 video capture.
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See, I am trying to slim down the chassis...

Now, obviously I have zero idea about how these products actually perform; but Aja, Avid, & Blackmagic Design all have 12G SDI TB3 products; so a two PCIe slot Mac Pro could be a viable Personal Desktop Workstation...

With a hypothetical eight TB3 ports, spanning across four controllers, and assuming some sort of internal pass-thru scheme for primary graphics; one would still have three TB3 controllers to spread equipment across...

Audio TB3 box, video TB3 box, & RAID TB3 box...

And if one uses a NAS instead (dual 10Gb Ethernet ports), then that leaves the fourth controller (loop-back) for a second display (standard or HMD)...
 
JesterJJZ said:
Two GPUs and a Blackmagic card would be my ideal. Three slots is my minimum.
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With the movement towards digital cameras that record straight to a solid state storage medium, and the current crop of TB3 video capture boxes, do you see the internal PCIe capture card becoming a thing of the past...?
 
Boil said:
With the movement towards digital cameras that record straight to a solid state storage medium, and the current crop of TB3 video capture boxes, do you see the internal PCIe capture card becoming a thing of the past...?
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8k is still a pci-card-only solution with Blackmagic - their TB capture stuff maxes out at 4k. As long as panel makers need to sell bigger / denser screens (which will be for ever) media sizes are going to scale, and bandwidth needs for capturing / processing will continue to climb.

I don't see TB ever catching up to the cutting edge.
 
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mattspace said:
8k is still a pci-card-only solution with Blackmagic - their TB capture stuff maxes out at 4k. As long as panel makers need to sell bigger / denser screens (which will be for ever) media sizes are going to scale, and bandwidth needs for capturing / processing will continue to climb.

I don't see TB ever catching up to the cutting edge.
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But with the movement towards digital cameras that record directly to a solid state media, do you see the need for an internal capture card / external TBX capture box in the future...?
 
Boil said:
You should check out this thread over at the SFF Network Forums...!

Not a huge fan of the DAN A4, just too tightly packed. I would be hoping for something a bit larger, somewhere between the NCASE M1 mITX chassis (just under 13 liters) & the Chimera Industries Cerberus mATX chassis (18 liters)...

But I still think my hypothetical 7.7" cube ARM cluster would be cool...
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That Blackmagic eGPU is hideous, and it is ridiculously overpriced...

It is a Vega 56 GPU in a powered eGPU enclosure. The Vega 56 had a MSRP of 399 when released, and runs 100 bucks LESS now...

So that eGPU chassis is worth 900 bucks...? No thank you...

For that kind of cost (1200 bucks for the V56 model) Apple could have sold a matching footprint eGPU module to complement the Space Grey Mac mini, with a MXM GPU within...

Hey, throw a matching footprint storage solution module in the pile as well, a perfect (high-cost) prosumer Mac set-up...! ;^p
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The BM eGPU is an appliance add-on for people who will pay for the cost in a single job or two. Its markup isn’t really an issue especially when it’s all about a less finicky more integrated product.

I wouldn’t buy one as I think it removes a lot of an eGPU’s benefits in the process, but it fills its role. The better criticism might be that like the tube Mac Pro it’s a very small niche.
 
mattspace said:
8k is still a pci-card-only solution with Blackmagic - their TB capture stuff maxes out at 4k. As long as panel makers need to sell bigger / denser screens (which will be for ever) media sizes are going to scale, and bandwidth needs for capturing / processing will continue to climb.

I don't see TB ever catching up to the cutting edge.
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I'm not in media industry but what I've see suggest 8K to be a "Master Copy* format and 4K for broadcast/projection even most studio don't see a case to a/v edit in 8K displays.
 
Boil said:
But with the movement towards digital cameras that record directly to a solid state media, do you see the need for an internal capture card / external TBX capture box in the future...?
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absolutely, because live capture and processing is still a thing. Every major sports event, every large concert, all of these things are the early drivers of higher resolutions, and you can't always stop recording, swap out a drive and then sneakernet it back to the workstation.
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Mago said:
I'm not in media industry but what I've see suggest 8K to be a "Master Copy* format and 4K for broadcast/projection even most studio don't see a case to a/v edit in 8K displays.
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8k spherical immersive is a different thing to just a standard 8k master, and that's the only VR-related workflow Apple has any foothold in. It's one of FCPX's new "features".
 
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Boil said:
See, I am trying to slim down the chassis...

Now, obviously I have zero idea about how these products actually perform; but Aja, Avid, & Blackmagic Design all have 12G SDI TB3 products; so a two PCIe slot Mac Pro could be a viable Personal Desktop Workstation...

With a hypothetical eight TB3 ports, spanning across four controllers, and assuming some sort of internal pass-thru scheme for primary graphics; one would still have three TB3 controllers to spread equipment across...

Audio TB3 box, video TB3 box, & RAID TB3 box...

And if one uses a NAS instead (dual 10Gb Ethernet ports), then that leaves the fourth controller (loop-back) for a second display (standard or HMD)...
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Why does the chassis need to be smaller? We already have mac mini for that.

Why settle with two pci-e ports if we can have more, making it more futureproof? I can see why apple would like that, but why should we?
 
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Manzanito said:
Why does the chassis need to be smaller? We already have mac mini for that.

Why settle with two pci-e ports if we can have more, making it more futureproof? I can see why apple would like that, but why should we?
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well with intel 1 cpu you are looking about 48 pci-e lanes
so X16 slot 1 / video.
X16 slot 2
gives you 32
and then 10G 4 for 2 ports
12 for 3 TB buses.

With all other IO + storage + TX on the DMI bus.

Maybe move dual 10G to pch and use it's X4 for one more TB bus or 4 more lanes into to the PCH.
 
Boil said:
With the movement towards digital cameras that record straight to a solid state storage medium, and the current crop of TB3 video capture boxes, do you see the internal PCIe capture card becoming a thing of the past...?
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It’s not about capture. Resolve needs dedicated playback/output hardware. Yes, they make TB3 hardware, but they are generally less powerful than their pcie cards and don’t have certain features.
 
Joe The Dragon said:
well with intel 1 cpu you are looking about 48 pci-e lanes
so X16 slot 1 / video.
X16 slot 2
gives you 32
and then 10G 4 for 2 ports
12 for 3 TB buses.

With all other IO + storage + TX on the DMI bus.

Maybe move dual 10G to pch and use it's X4 for one more TB bus or 4 more lanes into to the PCH.
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Joe The Dragon said:
well with intel 1 cpu you are looking about 48 pci-e lanes
so X16 slot 1 / video.
X16 slot 2
gives you 32
and then 10G 4 for 2 ports
12 for 3 TB buses.

With all other IO + storage + TX on the DMI bus.

Maybe move dual 10G to pch and use it's X4 for one more TB bus or 4 more lanes into to the PCH.
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Is it prohibitively expensive to make it a dual cpu workstation? It was possible to have such a system back in the 5,1 days, but maybe things have changed somehow.
 
I don't know if someone posted it before or not
Here is the Mac Pro 7.1 according to the website
https://menclub.hk/mobile/article/article.php?cat=tech&aid=20370

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Joe The Dragon said:
well with intel 1 cpu you are looking about 48 pci-e lanes
so X16 slot 1 / video.
X16 slot 2
gives you 32
and then 10G 4 for 2 ports
12 for 3 TB buses.

With all other IO + storage + TX on the DMI bus.

Maybe move dual 10G to pch and use it's X4 for one more TB bus or 4 more lanes into to the PCH.
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Which is yet another argument for going ditching Intel and going with AMD.

I don't know what the future will bring, but I don't want to have to buy a new computer, if I can add functionality with a PCI-e card.
 
Manzanito said:
Is it prohibitively expensive to make it a dual cpu workstation? It was possible to have such a system back in the 5,1 days, but maybe things have changed somehow.
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The 10 and 12 core 4000-Series (Silver) are in the $750-1250 per CPU (at retail). Moving into the higher-core count Gold and Platinum can easily get into the high thousands and at the top end, clear the $10,000 mark (at retail).
 
CWallace said:
The 10 and 12 core 4000-Series (Silver) are in the $750-1250 per CPU (at retail). Moving into the higher-core count Gold and Platinum can easily get into the high thousands and at the top end, clear the $10,000 mark (at retail).
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And another good reason to move to AMD....
 
Hi. Been reading through this thread and am interested to see what Apple comes up with. I'm not very technically minded so please forgive me if my questions have been answered and I just didn't understand the answer. I currently have a 5.1 Tower (12 core) with 4 2 TB hard drives. My video card is not hdmi nor vga. It's a stock card that came with the machine. I have a great monitor but if the new Mac Pro is hdmi is there a dongle that I can use to connect to the monitor or will I have to buy a new monitor?

Also with all the stuff I have been reading nobody has mentioned hard drive space. Do you think that I will come with more than 4 tb of storage? I do some video work and would like a lot of HD space so that I can expand as needed. I also use bootcamp and need HD space for that as well. If the machine comes with only 4 tb are their options out there that are better than my WD 6TB drive as I find it very slow in transferring data?

Lastly I read a bit about the new line of processors. It gave a base speed and then a turbo speed. How does that work. Is there a setting that allows you to default to turbo or is that handled by the OS? I remember back when growing up my dad's pc had a turbo button.

I appreciate you taking the time to read my questions. Please keep in mind that I'm not technically minded so please if possible keep the answers simple to understand.

Cheers,

David
 
Manzanito said:
Is it prohibitively expensive to make it a dual cpu workstation? It was possible to have such a system back in the 5,1 days, but maybe things have changed somehow.
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Dual CPUs have become a more premium and specialty niche since the cheese grater with Intel’s pivoting. It’s not impossible Apple would offer dual sockets but it’s arguably way less necessary especially as the GPU has become more important. They wouldn’t build a machine that requires radically different builds for a dual socket (the old Mac Pros were basically the same except for the daughter card.)

With that said, I don’t necessarily think they wouldn’t offer a machine that can’t run every port full speed. A machine with more external and internal expansion is still more useful as most people probably aren’t going to be saturating all internal and piped out PCIe lanes at the same time.
 
Pedrith,

A lot of folks have mentioned storage space - I know I certainly have, although a number of folks have blown off anything that I have had to say about it.

Most folks seem to believe that the 7,1 should be a fat client.
 
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