MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

[Boil]

X570 motherboard specs starting to show up around the internet, a few ASRock boards with "Thunderbolt 3 Ready" tags, ASRock does make a TB3 AIC...

So a sign that Apple need not be totally dependent on Intel in regards to TB3...?

Also, look at this sexy Mini-DTX board...!

 

[partsofspeech]

https://www.asus.com/Mini-PCs/Mini-PC-ProArt-PA90/
Asus’s mini tower is liquid cool. And its storage and memory are user upgradable. A very viable competitor of 2019 Mac Pro. Is there any engineering issue that stops Apple from adopting liquid cooling?

 

[CWallace]

I half expected the LG Displays going off the Apple Store was a positive sign, only days weeks later to see a new LG model show up :/ I would expect Apple to stop suppling LG if their displays were near ready

On the flip side, if the rumored specs of this new Apple Display are true, it is going to be quite large and quite expensive so having it as the only option available for customers coming into an Apple Store to shop for a Mac is probably something Apple does not want to do. The new LG monitor will be the lower-cost option for people who do not need the capabilities of the Apple monitor / can't fit it into their workspace / can't afford it.

The fact that there is no leak, shows that this thing is still far from ready.

Or that it’s being made in the US.

The Mac Pro is a big deal to those of us regularly participating in this thread, but it isn't to the significant majority of the Apple customer base so even if it is being made overseas, nobody is interested in paying for leaks of it. Let us not forget we had no leaks about the new MacBook Air case, even though there were plenty of rumors in the media about it in the months prior to it's release. Ditto the new Mac Mini case. Heck, even the 2016 MBP had only one leak of it's case prior to reveal that I remember and the empty space for what would be identified as the TouchBar was confounding folks as to its purpose.

Reminds me: a couple years ago you could really see MBP's everywhere - in public and also in my line of work (which is mostly Windows-based) - people were buying them to run Windows as the main OS.

Is this still a thing in general or has everyone moved on? Without the glowing logo on the lid it has become harder to spot them but it kinda feels like their numbers are dwindling in favour of Lenovo's slim models wherever I look.

I still see plenty of Mac laptops in Seattle. That and Surfaces (since it is Microsoft's home base).

The tube Mac Pro was demoed on stage after the keynote. There was a ~1-hour session were a 3D modeler was using it. I can't find the video, but it was called "sculpting the universe" or something similar.

Thanks. But Apple didn't let the media / influencers get their hands on it during WWDC week for benchmarking and such, as I recall.

 

[barmann]

A lot of what if, I thinks, maybe's, etc etc etc. Just like before  will show it if/when they are ready.

It's WWDC or Season 8 .

 

[Joe The Dragon]

It's WWDC or Season 8 .



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with no new mac pro it may be time to Dracarys apple

 

[ssgbryan]

https://www.asus.com/Mini-PCs/Mini-PC-ProArt-PA90/
Asus’s mini tower is liquid cool. And its storage and memory are user upgradable. A very viable competitor of 2019 Mac Pro. Is there any engineering issue that stops Apple from adopting liquid cooling?

The liquid cooled PowerMac G5.

 

[Aldaris]

with no new mac pro it may be time to Dracarys apple

I once attended WWDC with a jack ass and a honeycomb... and all Phil could say was “can’t innovate anymore my ass”

 

[Peace]

X570 motherboard specs starting to show up around the internet, a few ASRock boards with "Thunderbolt 3 Ready" tags, ASRock does make a TB3 AIC...

So a sign that Apple need not be totally dependent on Intel in regards to TB3...?

Also, look at this sexy Mini-DTX board...!

How does TB3 on an ASUS MB mean Apple need not be dependent on Intel for TB ?

All it means is ASUS has licensed TB. Something they have done for a few years.

My ASUS gaming PC I built has TB3 on it and its almost two years old.

 

[Mago]

WWDC19 invites all except the one with the Android ajem Robot, shown a cylinder at 2-3 o'clock... Maybe apple decided to recycle the trashcan with AMD ryzen 3000 and Navi GPUs and expected updates as Tb3 PCIE4 SSD ...
[doublepost=1558977459][/doublepost]ASRock sells an TB3 AIC (Add In Card) compatible with some of theirs motherboards, it's based in Alpine Ridge TB3 Header Controller, you have to plug your videcard dp output to this card and this card to youl motherboard USB-3.2 r2 muxer Header, so the USB-C ports in the motherboard are converted to usb4 or full blown thunderbolt 3 port's (in addition to the aic own ports)

 

[Tomhauber]

WWDC19 invites all except the one with the Android ajem Robot, shown a cylinder at 2-3 o'clock... Maybe apple decided to recycle the trashcan with AMD ryzen 3000 and Navi GPUs and expected updates as Tb3 PCIE4 SSD ...
[doublepost=1558977459][/doublepost]ASRock sells an TB3 AIC (Add In Card) compatible with some of theirs motherboards, it's based in Alpine Ridge TB3 Header Controller, you have to plug your videcard dp output to this card and this card to youl motherboard USB-3.2 r2 muxer Header, so the USB-C ports in the motherboard are converted to usb4 or full blown thunderbolt 3 port's (in addition to the aic own ports)

And that takes a year plus to come up with?

 

[deconstruct60]

....
The announcement of the MBP sounds like deck clearing. .... .

Or perhaps Apple Mac competitive Marketing team not completely asleep at the wheel.

"... As an aside, I do get the impression that NVIDIA and its partners are gunning for the 15-inch MacBook Pro here. In NVIDIA’s presentation and their press release, they are consistently comparing RTX Studio laptops to Apple’s famous high-end laptop, which has long been a mainstay of the professional community – and famously only uses AMD GPUs. ... "
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1441...ram-high-performance-content-creation-laptops

Apple limping out with their minor bump and 4th take on a decent keyboard looks a bit different as something that Nvidia ( and friends) are trying to "one up" as oppose to Apple's relatively lame release being a 'response' to this move. This newer move by their competitors isn't total collapse for Apple but it is indicative of "pile stuff into magical WWDC keynote strutting, handwave " is not a great move.
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This thread was started almost exactly 3 years ago. It's been a long wait for 7,1.

Apple's apparent disinterest in its flagship Mac has been frankly astonishing to me.

The Mac Pro was not Apple's flagship product 3 years ago. It stopped being the flagship about 2008-2009. What is surprising is that 10 years on folks are still trying to tag it as such.

 

[Mago]

Delete

 

[sigmadog]

The Mac Pro was not Apple's flagship product 3 years ago. It stopped being the flagship about 2008-2009. What is surprising is that 10 years on folks are still trying to tag it as such.

Not caring to get into a stupid argument about this. I was using the term "flagship" in the traditional Lord Admiral Nelson sense of "biggest and most powerful" and not in the modern sense of "most popular".

Feel free to quibble, but you'll only be talking to yourself.

 

[Mago]

And that takes a year plus to come up with?

we completely rethink the Mac Pro, an we concluded: the Mac Pro 2013 is the best Mac Pro ever the developers need, so we decided to make it better with new components updated as newer CPU and GPU but don't care the thermal core still in with it's impressive 450W TDP...

Phil's Ass can't innovate anymore after it delivered the tcMP just don't assume he did that way.

 

[fuchsdh]

The liquid cooled PowerMac G5.

To be fair those didn't have many problems after the early models.

 

[Biped]

How does TB3 on an ASUS MB mean Apple need not be dependent on Intel for TB ?

The x570 chipset is associated with AMD cpus. I'm going to assume that within the context of Boil's post, it suggests we have AM4 motherboards with 'semi official' or 'more official than before' TB support.

 

[Peace]

The x570 chipset is associated with AMD cpus. I'm going to assume that within the context of Boil's post, it suggests we have AM4 motherboards with 'semi official' or 'more official than before' TB support.

Ya my bad. Just noticed it was AMD.

Haven't a lot of AMD MB's had TB or is that an Intel only thing?.

 

[now i see it]

After 501 pages of conjecture, it seems that some people never read or completely forgot what Phil said during the infamous Mea Culpa.
I'll cherry pick a few points to get people back on track:

"As part of doing a new Mac Pro — it is, by definition, a modular system — we will be doing a pro display as well."

(Mac Pros have always been modular since forever— so the Lego theory is just pie in the sky. What isn't modular? iMac & laptops)

"So we see a really interesting complementary role for our silicon working with Intel. And we certainly work with Intel on our needs to deliver chips into our Mac roadmap and we see that continuing."

(So sorry all you AMD & ARM daydreamers, the next MacPro CPU is gunna be Intel's and by default that means Xeons).

I'll leave that there. There are more hints as to what it may be like (capable of accepting a single powerful GPU and capable of being upgraded BY APPLE in the future- if anyone cares to read the transcript carefully.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/06/t...-john-ternus-on-the-state-of-apples-pro-macs/

 

[Boil]

X570 motherboard specs starting to show up around the internet, a few ASRock boards with "Thunderbolt 3 Ready" tags, ASRock does make a TB3 AIC...

So a sign that Apple need not be totally dependent on Intel in regards to TB3...?

Also, look at this sexy Mini-DTX board...!

How does TB3 on an ASUS MB mean Apple need not be dependent on Intel for TB ?

All it means is ASUS has licensed TB. Something they have done for a few years.

My ASUS gaming PC I built has TB3 on it and its almost two years old.

Did I ever mention TB3 on an ASUS board...? No, I did not...

I am talking about TB3 on an AMD platform, NOT on an Intel platform...

ASRock sells an TB3 AIC (Add In Card) compatible with some of theirs motherboards, it's based in Alpine Ridge TB3 Header Controller, you have to plug your videcard dp output to this card and this card to youl motherboard USB-3.2 r2 muxer Header, so the USB-C ports in the motherboard are converted to usb4 or full blown thunderbolt 3 port's (in addition to the aic own ports)

Again, just so Peace understands, this is BRAND NEW to the AMD platform, no longer is TB3 an Intel-only domain...

And that takes a year plus to come up with?

Very well could, as this is the first time we are seeing Thunderbolt 3 on the AMD platform...

Plus, Apple is waiting on those Threadripper 3 CPUs...!

 

[ekwipt]

After 501 pages of conjecture, it seems that some people never read or completely forgot what Phil said during the infamous Mea Culpa.
I'll cherry pick a few points to get people back on track:

"As part of doing a new Mac Pro — it is, by definition, a modular system — we will be doing a pro display as well."

(Mac Pros have always been modular since forever— so the Lego theory is just pie in the sky. What isn't modular? iMac & laptops)

"So we see a really interesting complementary role for our silicon working with Intel. And we certainly work with Intel on our needs to deliver chips into our Mac roadmap and we see that continuing."

(So sorry all you AMD & ARM daydreamers, the next MacPro CPU is gunna be Intel's and by default that means Xeons).

I'll leave that there. There are more hints as to what it may be like (capable of accepting a single powerful GPU and capable of being upgraded BY APPLE in the future- if anyone cares to read the transcript carefully.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/06/t...-john-ternus-on-the-state-of-apples-pro-macs/

A lot changes in 2 years

 

[Mr. Dee]

Modular is simple, it means you can add and remove components most likely being: memory, video card, possibly storage.

 

[mattspace]

To be fair those didn't have many problems after the early models.

IIRC they only did one edition of the liquid cooled G5, and pretty much every one of them suffered coolant leaks over the next few years. But that's not a reflection on liquid cooling, that's a reflection on Apple.

 

[tpivette89]

Modular is simple, it means you can add and remove components most likely being: memory, video card, possibly storage.

I think they meant "modular" as in a separate display from the computer.

Which is why they said it has "always been a modular system"... meaning its display was separate. Which is the opposite of the iMac Pro.

We will have to wait and see what Apple actually reveals, but when they say "modular", I believe they were talking about separate display from computer, not replaceable internal components.

 

[kfscoll]

I think they meant "modular" as in a separate display from the computer.

Which is why they said it has "always been a modular system"... meaning its display was separate. Which is the opposite of the iMac Pro.

We will have to wait and see what Apple actually reveals, but when they say "modular", I believe they were talking about separate display from computer, not replaceable internal components.

If that’s what Apple means by modular, they’d already be bragging about their current “budget” modular system - the Mac mini.

 

[Peace]

I think the kind of modularity that the mac pro has always been is a reference to the upgrade modules aka cpu tray we saw in the cheesegrate. By definition those trays were modules.