MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

[Aldaris]

HEY!!!

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(fwiw, i don't do this forum anymore.. waiting for nMP V2 or this new thing got too tiresome + i needed to actually get some work done... (+ MVC got banned so i didn't have anyone as fun to battle with 😀)...

i'm now on an iMac/MBP instead of Mac Pro.. the newer iMacs (not pro) are pretty freaking sweet for CAD/CAM these days.. rendering is all, or mostly, cloud based for me the past couple of years too.. i doubt i'll ever need something more than what these 'prosumer' things are capable of these days)

What CAD/CAM apps are you using? And what rendering are you doing? I’ve done some Revit renders on a 2012 rMBP and tried the Autodesk a cloud rendering and I thought it was hit and miss and would rather have the power in house but would certainly welcome hearing your workflow and experience.

 

[Mago]

Mac pro GPU options to cost from about 2800$ for s single vega ii, to 6000$ for each Vega II Duo

28 cores Xeon-W option from close to 4500$ to 6400$ (M variant for 1.5 tb ram)

1 tb (2x 512mb) "cheaper" than on s iMac pro (which seems to be passed out soon).

So I believe, a decent compute-ml Mac pro with dual Vega II duo and 28 core Xeon (non Ml), 384gb RAM 1TB SSD will cost you .. 27000$ 😡

 

[Peace]

Mac pro GPU options to cost from about 2800$ for s single vega ii, to 6000$ for each Vega II Duo

28 cores Xeon-W option from close to 4500$ to 6400$ (M variant for 1.5 tb ram)

1 tb (2x 512mb) "cheaper" than on s iMac pro (which seems to be passed out soon).

So I believe, a decent compute-ml Mac pro with dual Vega II duo and 28 core Xeon (non Ml), 384gb RAM 1TB SSD will cost you .. 27000$ 😡

Tell me. What did you expect ?

 

[Mago]

Tell me. What did you expect ?

I hope this is s mistake or bad rumours, at least about the GPUs, the Vega II Duo shouldn't sell over 4000$ and the Vega II at 1800$ as much. Beyond that many people would opt for Linux/ nVidia boxes.

 

[Peace]

I hope this is s mistake or bad rumours, at least about the GPUs, the Vega II Duo shouldn't sell over 4000$ and the Vega II at 1800$ as much. Beyond that many people would opt for Linux/ nVidia boxes.

You still didnt say what you expected.

 

[flat five]

What CAD/CAM apps are you using? And what rendering are you doing? I’ve done some Revit renders on a 2012 rMBP and tried the Autodesk a cloud rendering and I thought it was hit and miss and would rather have the power in house but would certainly welcome hearing your workflow and experience.

all modeling in Rhino for Mac.. that’s where most of my computer time is spent.

CAM and rendering in Fusion 360..

Fusion’s CAM is real nice and continually improving (it’s Autodesk’s HSMworks)

i’m just driving a 3axis router with it so it’s great for that but there is also 4&5 axis capabilities as well as plasma,water jet,laser, 3D printing..


the rendering is ok but nothing like the quality you’d get from a non-biased engine that will absolutely shine on one of these new Mac Pro’s.. but at the end of the day, the speed is unbeatable for me... especially when considering i’m mostly rendering via my laptop.. i can get 8-10 renders back in under 15 minutes.. but renders aren’t my finished product .. i’m just using them to help sell the project in which case, the quality is perfectly fine for my purposes.

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that’s my new router!

5’x10’

not too many people use Macs in these types of environments but it’s definitely possible these days.. i mean, the options are still severely limited but at least now, there are some options..

for me though, i’m really liking the Rhino & Fusion combo (and the MBP/iMac combo)

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

We switched to PC and are larger than the 1500 headcount you listed. They are the standard in VFX. Sometimes windows, sometimes Linux. There are still a few Macs kicking around in the art department.

Cool, but you should not ignore thousands of businesses relying deeply on the Finder's features. You should just respect that there is a diversity out there and without the features I mentioned a significant part of the global economy would actually contract heavily or collapse. It's actually incredible and mind boggling to imagine how much of the economy relies on something that seems irrelevant such as Finder Labels. An outsider who doesn't know simply cannot imagine this.

 

[ct2k7]

Cool, but you should not ignore thousands of businesses relying deeply on the Finder's features. You should just respect that there is a diversity out there and without the features I mentioned a significant part of the global economy would actually contract heavily or collapse. It's actually incredible and mind boggling to imagine how much of the economy relies on something that seems irrelevant such as Finder Labels. An outsider who doesn't know simply cannot imagine this.

To be honest, this is the first time I’ve heard of anyone using labels, so I am intrigued

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Some of my predictions or needs for the 7,1 came true. Not because of magic. But because I have to negotiate and communicate with so many pros and I know what they are asking for. I just repeated their requests.

Cylinder handles. At least 8 cores. At least two built in drives. Dual graphics option.

Apple went far beyond that with EIGHT slots and a special accelerator card.

 

[mattspace]

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that workshop space

*unf* I need a few moments alone.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

To be honest, this is the first time I’ve heard of anyone using labels, so I am intrigued

Any studios that have dozen or more editors or coders on a shared network use them. There are whole corporations who rely on Labels to prioritize the status of projects, documents and folders on networks. High volume businesses with daily or tight deadlines would be killed within days if they had to give up Labels. It helps everything from project statuses, versioning and team member assignment.

Labels have also come to Google documents and Gmail now.

 

[ct2k7]

Any studios that have dozen or more editors or coders on a shared network use them. There are whole corporations who rely on Labels to prioritize the status of projects, documents and folders on networks. High volume businesses with daily or tight deadlines would be killed within days if they had to give up Labels. It helps everything from project statuses, versioning and team member assignment.

Labels have also come to Google documents and Gmail now.

Ah cool.

Where I work (always have tight deadlines and very high volume), we don’t use labels, but something else. Each project has its own share and a defined folder structure

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Ah cool.

Where I work (always have tight deadlines and very high volume), we don’t use labels, but something else. Each project has its own share and a defined folder structure

That's a good choice too but not suitable for large organizations that have to work together on the same network share.

 

[ct2k7]

That's a good choice too but not suitable for large organizations that have to work together on the same network share.

My employer does it.. and they’re pretty huge. That said, each project has its own share on the NAS.

 

[DaveP]

That's a good choice too but not suitable for large organizations that have to work together on the same network share.

For starters, the poster described what his company uses as "something else", making it difficult to conclude its suitability for large organizations.

There are many CMS (content management system) type solutions for dealing with version control, scheduling, tracking, etc. I can't speak for the art/graphics world, but as a software developer who has worked for and with a variety of both very large and very small companies, you would be laughed out of the building if you suggested using Finder Labels for software project management. I'm sure it can work, but there are much better solutions. I could see a labelling like system being used maybe 20 years ago at a smaller company.

Sorry for the detour... The nMP is pretty nice.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

For starters, the poster described what his company uses as "something else", making it difficult to conclude its suitability for large organizations.

There are many CMS (content management system) type solutions for dealing with version control, scheduling, tracking, etc. I can't speak for the art/graphics world, but as a software developer who has worked for and with a variety of both very large and very small companies, you would be laughed out of the building if you suggested using Finder Labels for software project management. I'm sure it can work, but there are much better solutions. I could see a labelling like system being used maybe 20 years ago at a smaller company.

Sorry for the detour... The nMP is pretty nice.

Believe me. I’ve never been laughed out of a building. A company with me is a company with double profit or share price. I won’t accept any less.

Each org will have their needs. It’s important to have all and the best tools and options possible - network shares, Labels, tags, cloud, etc. In this regard Macs are much easier to set up and have more of these workflow options.

 

[ixxx69]

HEY!!!

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(fwiw, i don't do this forum anymore.. waiting for nMP V2 or this new thing got too tiresome + i needed to actually get some work done... (+ MVC got banned so i didn't have anyone as fun to battle with 😀)...

i'm now on an iMac/MBP instead of Mac Pro.. the newer iMacs (not pro) are pretty freaking sweet for CAD/CAM these days.. rendering is all, or mostly, cloud based for me the past couple of years too.. i doubt i'll ever need something more than what these 'prosumer' things are capable of these days)

Glad you showed! I was wondering what you were up to... especially with the 2019 MP announcement. Have you shared your thoughts on in yet?

Yeah, I don't hang around MacRumors much at all these days myself (though a new product will get me here for a bit... I picked up an 18 mini when they came out). It's been 5+ years of the same people saying the same things day after day ad nauseam, just endlessly going around in circles year after year. I’m sure social scientists would maybe find it kind of fascinating.

I recall you trying to engage people with what they're actually doing with their Macs, and maybe consider how they could take best advantage with what *is* available. I think there was a time when that was more what these forums were about, but I could be wrong.

(Frankly, I don't miss that guy at all... his entire MO was to insult people)

 

[OS6-OSX]

No Short Cuts!

I answered an add below a "Missing Dog" add stapled to a tree. It read:
"Disgruntled Apple employee has access to several base model 2019 MP's."
"Willing to sell @ $4000" "Only 1 per customer" "Text me @ 555-****"

So I sent a text and received a link to a website.
On the site I was told to bring $4000 in twenties in a paper bag to Pier #8, Bldg 32 @ 2:56am!
All this seemed so krypted because these were the specs of the computer, 8 cores, 32GB ram and 256 GB storage! This meant it was meant to be!

I got there with the paper bag and was shown the computer. I handed the guy the bag, turned around to take the panel off the MP. This is when I heard the door slam and a car burning rubber outside!
When I got the cover off this is what I saw!

The question is what am I going to do with a used tcMP?

A better question is what is he going to do with a bag full of news paper clippings!

 

[fuchsdh]

Glad you showed! I was wondering what you were up to... especially with the 2019 MP announcement. Have you shared your thoughts on in yet?

Yeah, I don't hang around MacRumors much at all these days myself (though a new product will get me here for a bit... I picked up an 18 mini when they came out). It's been 5+ years of the same people saying the same things day after day ad nauseam, just endlessly going around in circles year after year. I’m sure social scientists would maybe find it kind of fascinating.

I recall you trying to engage people with what they're actually doing with their Macs, and maybe consider how they could take best advantage with what *is* available. I think there was a time when that was more what these forums were about, but I could be wrong.

(Frankly, I don't miss that guy at all... his entire MO was to insult people)

Is he still doing the video card flashing?

 

[ct2k7]

For starters, the poster described what his company uses as "something else", making it difficult to conclude its suitability for large organizations.

There are many CMS (content management system) type solutions for dealing with version control, scheduling, tracking, etc. I can't speak for the art/graphics world, but as a software developer who has worked for and with a variety of both very large and very small companies, you would be laughed out of the building if you suggested using Finder Labels for software project management. I'm sure it can work, but there are much better solutions. I could see a labelling like system being used maybe 20 years ago at a smaller company.

Sorry for the detour... The nMP is pretty nice.

Believe me. I’ve never been laughed out of a building. A company with me is a company with double profit or share price. I won’t accept any less.

Each org will have their needs. It’s important to have all and the best tools and options possible - network shares, Labels, tags, cloud, etc. In this regard Macs are much easier to set up and have more of these workflow options.

I’ll be more explicit for what the case is. I work for a Tier 1 investment bank. They were involved in the Uber and the Beyond Meat IPOs as well as other banking activities.

The company as a whole is a Windows shop, and there were proposals at one point to build a finder like applications with labels on folders, much like Finder is today. For reasons I won’t go into, the trial did not go forward. All I will say was that it wasn’t pleasantly received. I personally don’t mind labels, though my file organisation strategy relies on hierarchies rather than lateral categories.

Bankers nowadays don’t need fancy things. Heck, sometimes they’re issues with low powers laptops which are effectively thin clients and just gives access to remote systems.

The system works for them at the users don’t want it to change. Generally they now drive what they want to see happen, and technologists make it happen.

 

[fuchsdh]

I’ll be more explicit for what the case is. I work for a Tier 1 investment bank. They were involved in the Uber and the Beyond Meat IPOs as well as other banking activities.

The company as a whole is a Windows shop, and there were proposals at one point to build a finder like applications with labels on folders, much like Finder is today. For reasons I won’t go into, the trial did not go forward. All I will say was that it wasn’t pleasantly received. I personally don’t mind labels, though my file organisation strategy relies on hierarchies rather than lateral categories.

Bankers nowadays don’t need fancy things. Heck, sometimes they’re issues with low powers laptops which are effectively thin clients and just gives access to remote systems.

The system works for them at the users don’t want it to change. Generally they now drive what they want to see happen, and technologists make it happen.

Personally even as a lifelong Mac user I can't really wrap my head around Finder being a competitive reason to switch ecosystems.

 

[goMac]

(+ MVC got banned so i didn't have anyone as fun to battle with 😀)

Between the cMPs becoming unsupported, and the new ones supporting PC GPUs, his business is gonna start drying up...

 

[fuchsdh]

Between the cMPs becoming unsupported, and the new ones supporting PC GPUs, his business is gonna start drying up...

I'd say them killing Nvidia compatibility hurt him more than anything else, but getting eGPU support probably also helped as well.

Will be interesting to see how the GPU stuff shakes out with the new Mac Pro. Given that most enthusiasts aren't going to be getting one of these until two years or so down the line when cheaper used models start trickling out I wonder what the landscape will look like at that point.

 

[StuAff]

Hopefully (and this is certainly hope rather than expectation), recent positive signs from the rest of the Mac line-up & product launches will continue for the 7,1. By which I mean, the silent updated GPU and RAM options for the iMP, the barely heralded but significant MBP spec bumps a couple of weeks before WWDC, the 2018 mini (very late, but certainly better late than never), and the latest iMac refresh. All worthwhile and tempting options for their target markets. I can't imagine Standgate will not have had an effect on Apple Park thinking RE price (as others have remarked, if they'd thrown in the stand with the screen at $6k no-one would have batted an eyelid, as it was…oops), and there might- might- be spec, and perhaps price adjustments to the 7,1 either before launch or relatively soon after. Navi looks like a prime candidate to go into 7,1, for a start.

 

[deconstruct60]

Between the cMPs becoming unsupported, and the new ones supporting PC GPUs, his business is gonna start drying up...

There is documentation n the "supporting (Windows targeted) PC GPUs". Form factor wise for additional ones sure, but full boot and filevault login support ( or the hack that they rolled out for the 5,1 is long lived ? And only partial support? )?

Apple has said you can throw other cards in there, but I haven't seen someone say that was fully supported so that it is an equal offering.

hardware cards haven't been the core issue. It is boot , firmware , and driver support that is the core issue.

The bigger issue in the biz drying up is that the number of folks buying Mac Pro is going to significantly down. The older ones disappearing from support are big deal because those were the affordable ones to more of the mainstream. The new Mac Pro is going to make for a completely losey xMac 2-3 years down the road in the used market unless the prices completely tank from the normal falloff that Mac Pro's usually see. Even at 30% less the entry system will be $4K system at 3 years old. In the context of what is going to be available in the mainstream PC market 3 years from now at $2-3K pricing it isn't going to look good.

It is quite similar to the huge freight train coming dow the road when Apple tries to sell 2-3 year old iPhone XR/XS models at much higher than usual prices because they have jacked the initial price up so high. ( and the repair costs being double/triple other products. ). The goosed the margins short term but long term they have problems with same old strategy.

Some thing here " used / refurb " Mac PRo 2019 models to hold back the Hackintosh and xMac crowd... that has some giant holes in that theory. It is price sensitive crowd and what have here is a non-price sensitive system ( even in a used state).