JimGoshorn
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You have Windows Defender (included in Win 10) or AVG. My concern is backup software because there are so many out there. Been looking at Aomei Backupper but still investigating.
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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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The creator of the video addressed this: The baseline was what one could buy for $10K.
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They were waiting for the June event. Then they were waiting for the September event. Now they're waiting for the late October event. There's already speculation they'll be waiting for the November event. At what point do they stop waiting?
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Aldaris
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Completely agree. Media production, video and audio have really been the creative space. In the not so distant past I would toss in image and photoshop folks into that space, but there really is little difference between the platforms in regards to image editing now. In further reflection there are still great options in the video and audio sphere on both platforms, which really should scare apple. There isn't a major drive to entice someone into the Apple ecosystem at this point.
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Aren't we only 3-4 years away from that or sooner?
Aren't there countries that apple regulates products to be default after 7 years of introduction?
Apple could keep the Mac Pro, as is, in production indefinitely and never meet their definition of vintage. Meanwhile the rest of the industry considers an 80386 system vintage despite the fact Apple might still be producing them and asking 1986 pricing for them.
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sigh...we lost so many good apple soldiers.....RIP.
JimGoshorn
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So does that mean that we might have to say that the nMP died with it's boots on?😀
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Not all these things were created equal. June and September event rumors, as they related to a nMP, were weak at best. And it would be fairly unlike Apple to do two events less than a month apart, making a Nov event a remote possibility. Its October or the can gets kicked into at least the first couple months of 2017. At which point, yes, of course that's no certainty either.
This is all getting stuck in the weeds though. E5-1600 v4s have really only made it into people's hands as of about a month ago. At that point the October Mac event was fairly certain, but if a Mac Pro comes out of it is still anyone's guess. However, considering the cost of switching from Mac to PC in a professional environment, at least for many, a month wait just to see if a Mac Pro will be an option isn't a whole lot to ask. If you were limping a long and things really sucked, then chances are you didn't have the choice to wait for Broadwell E5-1600s or the Mac Pro.
Anyway, this topic has become boring. You've said your piece, I've said mine. We get it, the nMP sucks compared to modern equipment. For the price and depending on workflows, that was even true the moment it launched. We didn't need broadwell or GTX1080s to prove that the nMP, well, kinda sucks.
I use Acronis True Image on my Windows 10 Machine for cloning and scheduling of disk backups. It's a pretty decent app, although I still haven't found anything that compares to Time Machine.
My point is I've been reading "just wait until X event and then decide". Then, when no new Mac Pro is announced the response is "just wait until Y event and then decide". Then, when no new Mac Pro is announced the response is "just wait until Z event and then decide".
Yes, a month is not long to wait. But when you keep hearing, over and over, to wait another month, because it's not too long, it adds up. People who asked "Should I buy a new Mac Pro" back in April of this year if, they followed the "it's only a month away" logic are still waiting for a new Mac Pro six months later.
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I use CrashPlan for my Macs and PCs. It's free and allows me the ability to backup to an external hard disk, another computer, and / or the cloud. In fact I've configured my friends and family to backup to my Mac Pro over the Internet. Offsite backups at zero cost.
SnoFlo
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I'd humbly recommend running Windows 10 in a VM on your Mac for a while if anyone contemplates switching (I ran Windows 7 for a year in Parallels before switching to Windows), just to get an idea about things. Windows 10 has some caveats: the interface is a bit schizophrenic. For example, there are 2 control panels: the legacy one from earlier Windows versions, and the new 'Metro' one. Most functions are duplicated while others are present in one panel but not in the other. Bad design. Also, future users should be aware that the Windows community is right now very put out at Microsoft's attempts to ram Windows 10 down people's throats with forced upgrades, upgrades done without apparent consent by the user (you go to sleep with Windows 7 only to wake up to find your computer installing Windows 10 in the morning), and Microsoft's attempt to 'spy' on users, again on Windows 10.
As to anti-virus software, Windows Defender was tested recently as no better than no protection at all. Eeek. I use ESET Smart Security. I used to use free AV, but the ads and pop-ups irritated me. I also think Malwarebytes is a good idea to get too (ya know, for protection against Trojans and Ransomware), so I bought that as well. Both programs run unobtrusively in the background (set and forget).
Yeah, compared to the gorgeous implementation of Time Machine, Windows file history backup is, ahem, primitive. The Windows file history backup is buried in the legacy control panel. Just point it to a backup hard drive and it does the incremental backup thing like Time Machine. Windows also has the ability to image the system drive. Go to backup and recovery in the 'new' control panel which walks you through making the system image and a recovery medium (disk or usb). Windows can normally make only one system image, but you can make more - there are tutorials online. So, third-party backup solutions aren't absolutely necessary but they do make things easier, and they also offer better disk management solutions. I have a copy of Macrium Reflect Pro which I use only rarely.
As to anti-virus software, Windows Defender was tested recently as no better than no protection at all. Eeek. I use ESET Smart Security. I used to use free AV, but the ads and pop-ups irritated me. I also think Malwarebytes is a good idea to get too (ya know, for protection against Trojans and Ransomware), so I bought that as well. Both programs run unobtrusively in the background (set and forget).
Yeah, compared to the gorgeous implementation of Time Machine, Windows file history backup is, ahem, primitive. The Windows file history backup is buried in the legacy control panel. Just point it to a backup hard drive and it does the incremental backup thing like Time Machine. Windows also has the ability to image the system drive. Go to backup and recovery in the 'new' control panel which walks you through making the system image and a recovery medium (disk or usb). Windows can normally make only one system image, but you can make more - there are tutorials online. So, third-party backup solutions aren't absolutely necessary but they do make things easier, and they also offer better disk management solutions. I have a copy of Macrium Reflect Pro which I use only rarely.
Dude, we get it and to an extent you're right. but at the same time, who the hell are you talking about with the quotes you're flinging around? In April there was nothing but pessimism around here, and rightly so, as the updates from Intel and AMD were obviously a ways off. Who was saying this stuff? Now that we are 1-2 weeks away it's one thing but even today lots of folks here think early next year is more likely. And here's the big thing, it's not like we're telling people they have to wait. Everyone knows that no one really knows when anything will, if ever, happen.
mrxak
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It's been 1037 days since the last update. Some people have been waiting "just one more month" a heck of a lot longer than just six months. More than one October has passed without any kind of word about a new Mac Pro. My plan is a new computer within the next four months, so I actually can wait for a November event if it comes to that. But I'm not actually going to be waiting, I'll be spending that time researching alternatives and planning a migration to Linux and if what I end up waiting for from Apple ends up as another form-over-function already-outdated-at-launch nightmare I probably will go ahead with that switch regardless.
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http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/...w-mac-pro-specs-new-features-rumours-3536364/
"a source" says October/November.
"a source" says October/November.
The problem is macworld has been publishing such articles for the Mac Pro for months.
Now an anonymous source? ok, we 're already feeling better...
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Yeah...they are unstable...but they stated, "a source close to Apple ..."
Don't know...they made a bold statement.
Yeah well, since the Apple event is at the same location and on the same date as the FCPX Creative Summit, surely Apple are not gonna "Oh, btw, we discontinued the Mac Pro, sucks to be you guys huh", it almost have to be the other way around, since the FCPX CS attendees have been invited to talk to the FCPX product managers i feel like Apple should reassure the future of their "Pro" hardware as well, this is probably the last chance Apple got before those who have not moved to HP and Dell and to Premiere will do so.
askunk
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As usual, I might be saying something totally stupid... but what if Apple decides to overcome the PCI-lane problem of the Broadwell-EP E5 and goes for an E7?
If I got it right, there are models with 44 lanes:
http://ark.intel.com/products/93791/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E7-8893-v4-60M-Cache-3_20-GHz
Although I can see that they support DDR4 up to 1866 MHz, whereas I would expect the nMP to support 2400 MHz models.
If I got it right, there are models with 44 lanes:
http://ark.intel.com/products/93791/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E7-8893-v4-60M-Cache-3_20-GHz
Although I can see that they support DDR4 up to 1866 MHz, whereas I would expect the nMP to support 2400 MHz models.
The issue with two different ways to change settings (Settings in the Metro UI and Control Panel in the Desktop UI) was addressed with the Anniversary Update. It's not 100% but if you're referring to anything other than the you're working with outdated information. As to the design it's not bad design...it's a transition.
Regarding forcing Windows 10 on people...yeah, that sucked but it's no more as the free upgrade period ended at the end of July and Microsoft is no longer trying to ram it down people's throats. As an FYI if one wants to upgrade to Windows 10 they can still do so free of charge. While the official program has ended Microsoft continues to activate Windows 10 as they were during the upgrade period.
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I see no harm in waiting another week. After all it's just a week and, TBH, this is the one event I feel there's a slight possibility a new Mac Pro will be announced though I don't hold high hopes. It will be an interesting discussion next week. Will we be talking about a new Mac Pro? Or will we continue to talk about the possibility of a new Mac Pro sometime in November?
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