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I think there is an accessibility option that remedies the colorblindness issue
No. This is just more spin. The mobile phone companies can certainly provide this technology and service themselves. The entire process is a scam. The outsourcing to another company does not change that fact.
Sorry, your association is flawed. Not knowing who the ******* Mblox is isn't an apple "fanboy" phenomenon. It's a normal human being phenomenon.
Way to make geeks look like complete tw*ts
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Wrong.
Even a small local carrier can bulk-purchase SMS services from an aggregator for as little as Half A Cent a message. The major carriers should be able to negotiate even better deals.
So a company like AT&T, which, depending on your plan, charges fees of around 20 cents per message sent and per message received - or suckers you into absurdly priced SMS bundles ranging from $5-$30 - is making about, oh, 95% profit on text messaging, even after all their costs are figured in, for transmitting these tiny super-cheap little packets of data.
I don't mind them making a good profit, but it's kinda crazy that I'm paying around $20/month for texting on top of a $39 voice plan (that I barely use) and a $30 data plan (that I can't tether without paying even more).
And with the two biggest carriers having very similar offerings, it does smell like price fixing.
Also see this:
http://m.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/12/text-messages-c/
Of course, I can use my Google Voice app to SMS for free - but it's not fully integrated with Apple's regular SMS messaging app, so it's not as convenient - Apple's iMessage solution, if it works well, will be a big win for i-device owning consumers.
I just hope it does work well - I bloody hate the craptastic iChat on my Mac, so I don't totally trust Apple to be able to deliver a flawless SMS/chat hybrid masterpiece ;>)
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Wrong.
Even a small local carrier can bulk-purchase SMS services from an aggregator for as little as Half A Cent a message. The major carriers should be able to negotiate even better deals.
So a company like AT&T, which, depending on your plan, charges fees of around 20 cents per message sent and per message received - or suckers you into absurdly priced SMS bundles ranging from $5-$30 - is making about, oh, 95% profit on text messaging, even after all their costs are figured in, for transmitting these tiny super-cheap little packets of data.
I don't mind them making a good profit, but it's kinda crazy that I'm paying around $20/month for texting on top of a $39 voice plan (that I barely use) and a $30 data plan (that I can't tether without paying even more).
And with the two biggest carriers having very similar offerings, it does smell like price fixing.
Also see this:
http://m.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/12/text-messages-c/
Of course, I can use my Google Voice app to SMS for free - but it's not fully integrated with Apple's regular SMS messaging app, so it's not as convenient - Apple's iMessage solution, if it works well, will be a big win for i-device owning consumers.
I just hope it does work well - I bloody hate the craptastic iChat on my Mac, so I don't totally trust Apple to be able to deliver a flawless SMS/chat hybrid masterpiece ;>)
You keep talking about this "problem" but you have yet to address any of the myriad of people who offered the obvious solution to TURN IT OFF.
Josef Stalin said a falsehood repeated enough times becomes truth.
You know threw is different than through right?
I can handle your/you're and many other common errors. But that one is egregiously ignorant.
Not to mention that he failed to offer any good reason that the data handling done by SMS needs to cost that much money. When I think of the amount of data I can download in a month or the number of minutes I can call "long distance" for the price I pay, there is no reason the price per text should be that high. The SMS companies have computers sitting there handling data transfer for huge amounts of money. I'm sure the only reason the phone companies don't do this is that by out sourcing they can claim it is out of their hands. Of course the executives of the SMS and the phone companies are probably all good friends and fellow coworkers. They probably have stock in each other's company. Its a "win-win" for both organizations I'm sure.
This suggests price fixing in my opinion. If any one carrier wanted to grab SMS technology in house they would pass on savings but not one is willing to do this. They all "outsource". Why outsource when you know this is going to be a permanent part of your business plan? If you thought it was a passing fad you would of course outsource. But why pay this other company that you know you will need in perpetuity? Greed. Nothing more.
The other issue is paying for text messages received. Most comments I've read from abroad show surprise that we must pay for incoming messages.
This is a major problem for me. I refuse to pay for a text plan. My amount of texting is less than the plan would cost. However I have no control over whether someone texts me or not. If I get a spam text I pay for it even if I don't read it. This is criminal.
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LOOK NOW in Settings- You can turn off data for Cell usage!
Go into your settings people. You can NOW (on an ATT iphone) turn off the cell phone data for iCloud, etc. I have wifi at home and work, so I welcome this new messaging plan. And if I'm not at home or work, my 200 messages for $5 plan will cover the rest!
Go into your settings people. You can NOW (on an ATT iphone) turn off the cell phone data for iCloud, etc. I have wifi at home and work, so I welcome this new messaging plan. And if I'm not at home or work, my 200 messages for $5 plan will cover the rest!
Surely for the consumer, it would be better if RIM, Google, Apple and Microsoft got together and agreed some protocols that would allow these services to be interoperable, Unless they do that i don't think any of them will beat the brilliant, ubiquitous Simple Messaging Service,
My family shares my Itunes account to save money on apps and music and stuff. I guess I would text myself to send a message to my wife's iPhone. That's kinda crappy. But I would like the text received and read feature. Can you even texts yourself? I'm Not sure I will be liking this cloud service too much. I don't need my wife getting all my documents and stuff. lol Cant wait for the notification fix as well. Apple really did well this time. Hope they can deliver on time. Early Sept Plz.
"Early Sept" is not Fall. Steve Jobs said coming "This Fall". Fall doesn't start even start until Sept. 23rd.
Oh no, I hope this isn't the birth of a new 'my US carrier is better than your US carrier' ***** storm of a non-debate.
Anyway....
...I wonder if they have this sort of 'heated' discussion regarding SMS costs Vs BBM subscription over at the crackberry forum.
Anyway....
...I wonder if they have this sort of 'heated' discussion regarding SMS costs Vs BBM subscription over at the crackberry forum.
So 0.3 cents per message and they are now charging 0.20 cents per text.
The spin from the carriers is:
1. Percentage of customers using text is down. This is garbage because the number of customers on smart phone sis growing. So the lower percentage of the much higher number is a larger number.
2. If the infrastructure doesn't get used it still needs to be paid for. Is that right? So if all texting ended there are towers out there used solely for texting and not for carrying calls or data that would go to waste?
And don't forget that the data plan many of us pay for which should include texting anyway is a rip off for many. Sure the carriers advertise great prices on large data plans. But those of us who need more than the 200mb lowest plan end up wasting a lot of money buying larger plans that we do not need. We are in fact subsidizing the largest plans that other people get sweet deals on. I am glad to see that Verizon is going to offer more tiers in the future. Hopefully that puts pressure on other carriers.
And this was good news earlier this year:
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yes, it is good to read
i do read some sites regularly for they (sometimes) have good tips from experienced developers, power users or, in my case, knowledgeable ppl in digital aspects of filmmaking (post, mixing, conforming).
it seems like it's more a quick almost knee jerk response which is not helpful but certainly everybody's right. with long work hours (not surfing much , tons of outside work to pay rent) i love threads when the posters are giving knowledge.
not being sarcastic, but i don't seem to have as much time as a lot of posters here who just start typing and making judgements with really no knowledge from info already posted.
i do read some sites regularly for they (sometimes) have good tips from experienced developers, power users or, in my case, knowledgeable ppl in digital aspects of filmmaking (post, mixing, conforming).
it seems like it's more a quick almost knee jerk response which is not helpful but certainly everybody's right. with long work hours (not surfing much , tons of outside work to pay rent) i love threads when the posters are giving knowledge.
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In the end, what I've taken out of this is that the level with which imessages will be beneficial will range situationally. For me, texting is pricey, but my plan has my10 and I don't feel the need to text anyone else. That said, imessages is a great idea for those in places where data is more affordable than text messaging.
Something else - imessages will be
neglected for me if I know that a person will be notified immediately after I read the text. I didn't like that about bbm, still don't here - I like that I can ignore or neglect a message without feeling obligated to respond immediately.
One more thing - I believe this will lead to more reasonable text plans from carriers. Android rim and apple now have the infrastructure in place to expedite texting over data, and really it's just by bundling homemade messaging software in their operating systems. I believe greed and hunger for market share from certain parties involved will prevent the three companies from ever having a unified messaging system, but I also believe as each company displays the desire to ween themselves off a dependency towards the carrier for anything but data, carriers must provide further incentives (ie lower cost) for text messaging if they want to keep gouging the consumer on average for them.
In the end, what I've taken out of this is that the level with which imessages will be beneficial will range situationally. For me, texting is pricey, but my plan has my10 and I don't feel the need to text anyone else. That said, imessages is a great idea for those in places where data is more affordable than text messaging.
Something else - imessages will be
neglected for me if I know that a person will be notified immediately after I read the text. I didn't like that about bbm, still don't here - I like that I can ignore or neglect a message without feeling obligated to respond immediately.
One more thing - I believe this will lead to more reasonable text plans from carriers. Android rim and apple now have the infrastructure in place to expedite texting over data, and really it's just by bundling homemade messaging software in their operating systems. I believe greed and hunger for market share from certain parties involved will prevent the three companies from ever having a unified messaging system, but I also believe as each company displays the desire to ween themselves off a dependency towards the carrier for anything but data, carriers must provide further incentives (ie lower cost) for text messaging if they want to keep gouging the consumer on average for them.
I have no desire for people to know when I receive/read their messages. I hated when I had verizon specifically for that reason. Is there a way to keep that turned off, as well the indication of the other party typing a reply? I honestly may not update to ios5 specifically for this reason. I waited months for the white iphone 4 so I have the will power to not use a better os.
For Apples part I understand everything is build on XMPP(Jabber) so your phone just creates a single XMPP to Apples host servers that link is then used for all push notifications. Your phone just doles out the messages to the right app as it gets them.
The big thing is Apple uses encryption so only clients (or hosts) with the key can send you messages. But the XMPP system was designed so that many different people could create and host networks and the hosts would mesh together to connect clients from one network to the next.
Facebook chat has an XMPP hook (it maybe XMPP based as well) So they could do a deal with Apple gets their systems talking a Boom iMessages is now your facebook chat client.
Slightly off-topic, but reading through this thread makes me realise how little competition you have in the US for mobile carriers. (I also noticed this for cable, etc).
I am moving to New York in three weeks and was simply shocked at the cost of either an AT&T or Verizon pay monthly contract.
$40 per month for 450 minutes (without handset)
PLUS $10 p.m. for 1,000 text messages
PLUS $45 p.m. for only 4GB data
Total = $95 p.m. I assume you add sales tax on to this...
In the UK I can get a sim-only contract with 3 mobile for £25 p.m. (including 20% VAT) with a rolling monthly contract including:
2,000 any network minutes
5,000 Three-to-Three minutes
5,000 texts
All-you-can-eat Data
You would be insane to allow T-Mobile to merge with AT&T.
I am moving to New York in three weeks and was simply shocked at the cost of either an AT&T or Verizon pay monthly contract.
$40 per month for 450 minutes (without handset)
PLUS $10 p.m. for 1,000 text messages
PLUS $45 p.m. for only 4GB data
Total = $95 p.m. I assume you add sales tax on to this...
In the UK I can get a sim-only contract with 3 mobile for £25 p.m. (including 20% VAT) with a rolling monthly contract including:
2,000 any network minutes
5,000 Three-to-Three minutes
5,000 texts
All-you-can-eat Data
You would be insane to allow T-Mobile to merge with AT&T.
, I doubt iMessage with allow this, with the security measures Apple says that they have in place and they also are using the number based off our sim cards I doubt it's even possible to intercept another person's messages just by changing the number.(GSM) SMS doesn't use data connection. It uses signaling interface. The capacity of which is way more limited than packet data connection.